The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Oggmonster said:
Eubank needs a coach badly. Needs to bin his dad off from the corner and from his career really. Get on speaking terms with Hearn and get a proper coach and go from there. He isn’t the best fighter but he’s exciting and he does have potential to be much better than he is. Seniors arrogance holds him back cos they think they don’t do anything wrong. The post fight stuff sums it up, implies he thought he won, then asked for a title shot against someone else and then wanted to get to the final cos of groves being injured. They (Senior in particular) just want the attention and the fame. The real problem is junior will never bin him off and it’ll be a problem for his career going forward.
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100%. His arrogance is going to hold him back. Is having a coach really anything to be ashamed of? :lol:
 
On to the next now, Garcia v Rios later. Benavidez Gavril 2 as well should be good, big fan of Benavidez.
 
Groves like to put these full of themselves British boxers in their place doesn't he? DeGale vs Eubank winner gets their rematch award.
 
That they were both shit more or less.

Snr not half bad too - brutally honest assessment of his son.
 
Lay said:
What’s Naseem saying?
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Eubank is massively overrated. Not the world level and no way near it. He’s built up by his dad and got exposed. Basically saying he’s shite really, he does have a point but is a bit OTT...I think him and Sr do have some kind of tension from a few years ago though which is probably adding to it.
 
Groves did well but he didn't have to be brilliant to win that fight,It wasn't anything that I didn't expect from him, he will watch that fight back and be disappointed in himself that he didn't KO Eubank. Eubank self-destructed. Real amateur stuff.

Wild Swinging for 12 rounds and the only decent(being kind) work came on the inside but it was his inability to get inside that lost him that fight, the basics of working an effective jab, fainting, ducking and bobbing to work his way in and work the body with those hard hooks that he has in his locker but he just doesn't show it enough. As many have already said, needs a coaching team badly.
 
Showtime card looks good tonight, particularly looking forward to Benavidez's fight, think he'll completely dominate and possibly ko Gavril this time round. I see Benavidez being the man to beat in SMW very soon looking at the current state of the division.
 
Flamingo Purple said:
Showtime card looks good tonight, particularly looking forward to Benavidez's fight, think he'll completely dominate and possibly ko Gavril this time round. I see Benavidez being the man to beat in SMW very soon looking at the current state of the division.
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Hopefully Golovkin moves up there after his Canelo rematch.
 
Kazi said:
Hopefully Golovkin moves up there after his Canelo rematch.
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Something I'd love to see. Unfortunately I feel he's running out of time and because of the money in domestic fights doubt any of the current SMW world champions would be eager to take him as a voluntary defence. I think he will be keen to fight BJS for the unification before moving up, I have a feeling he'll retire after that.
 
I got a retweet and like from the MC, David Diamante tonight so I’m happy!

Although I did bet my local landlord a pint that Eubank Jr would win on points so meh... win some lose some :)
 
I thought Eubank would give Groves more of a fight than that. Got it completely wrong. Still think there is a decent fighter in there but he needs to get rid of his dad, which will never happen.
 
ivaldo said:
I thought Eubank would give Groves more of a fight than that. Got it completely wrong. Still think there is a decent fighter in there but he needs to get rid of his dad, which will never happen.
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The post fight stuff on IFL has a load of boxers and people associated with the sport saying the same. Equally there's people basically taking the piss and enjoying what happened a lot. Not really seen that in boxing before usually people are a lot nicer. Naz, Bellew, Fury, BJS, DeGale, Brook and obviously Groves off the top of my head have all made reference to revelling in the loss of Eubank, guy is clearly a tit (as well as his Dad) as usually stuff like that doesn't happen. Especially for someone like DeGale to side with Groves!
 
Oggmonster said:
The post fight stuff on IFL has a load of boxers and people associated with the sport saying the same. Equally there's people basically taking the piss and enjoying what happened a lot. Not really seen that in boxing before usually people are a lot nicer. Naz, Bellew, Fury, BJS, DeGale, Brook and obviously Groves off the top of my head have all made reference to revelling in the loss of Eubank, guy is clearly a tit (as well as his Dad) as usually stuff like that doesn't happen. Especially for someone like DeGale to side with Groves!
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Yeah, it's not good to kick a guy when he's down if he gave it his all like Eubank did. He was outclassed, bloodied and beaten but he kept coming and trying.

Eubank will never be a world class fighter but he's going to make for good action fights and oftentimes that's good enough and all you can ask of a guy.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
Yeah, it's not good to kick a guy when he's down if he gave it his all like Eubank did. He was outclassed, bloodied and beaten but he kept coming and trying.

Eubank will never be a world class fighter but he's going to make for good action fights and oftentimes that's good enough and all you can ask of a guy.
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Yeah I'd tend to agree with the sentiment of that.

I sympathise with Eubank Jr to an extent. He has potential to be a good level boxer but he's really not helped by his Dad following him round talking him up. I imagine it's that attitude that rubs boxers up the wrong way. Sr is basically reliving his boxing career through Jr and it's honestly hard to watch at times.

Part of me thinks it's tough love from some of the fighters, people like Bellew screaming out for him to get a coach. Whilst Bellew is highly annoying he lives boxing and knows his stuff, the problem for Jr is I really don't see his Dad taking a back seat ever.
 
Most of the heat towards Eubank is aimed at Sr, it is what it is.

Rungvisai is going to run over every little guy until the comes up against The Monster.

Having said that, The Monster isn’t quite ready just yet.
 
Kazi said:
Most of the heat towards Eubank is aimed at Sr, it is what it is.

Rungvisai is going to run over every little guy until the comes up against The Monster.

Having said that, The Monster isn’t quite ready just yet.
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Mark my words: Estrada will beat Rungvisai this weekend. Estrada is a great fighter entering his prime. Very skilled, really reminds me of Juan Manuel Marquez with his technique and combinations. He can also bang too and has a solid defense too. He's a complete fighter and I expect him to have too many tools for Rungvisai. It will be a hard fight all the way though.

Inoue is moving up I believe he's close to striking a deal to face Jamie McDonnell having informed the WBO he's vacating his title at 115. I don't think he'll be at 118 long either. He's filling out and I think he'll be at 122 by the end of 2019.
 
Eunank was a big let down, but I still thought he'd do better than that shitshit of a performance. No guile, no technique disguisied by beimg matched up withwcannon fodder up until now. Still, not going to write off his career but it doesn't bode well for him unless he gets a proper trainer to teach him some fecking ringcraft.

Groves didn't do much, but his experience, size and being proven at the world level was simply too much for Eubank, who looked like a novice.

I think Rungvisai could get the win against Estrada. I know a lot don't agree but I had him winning that first fight against Roman as well as the 2nd obviously. He is at the peak of his powers. Estrada , for me is the more skilled boxer with slick combinations , equisite timing but can also hit hard and accurately. Still, He looked far from dominant against Caudras in his last outing and if he starts like that against Rungvisai then it could be all over for him, earlier than you might think. I'm going for a majority decision for Rungvisai and possibly a late stoppage.
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Inter Yer Nan said:
Mark my words: Estrada will beat Rungvisai this weekend. Estrada is a great fighter entering his prime. Very skilled, really reminds me of Juan Manuel Marquez with his technique and combinations. He can also bang too and has a solid defense too. He's a complete fighter and I expect him to have too many tools for Rungvisai. It will be a hard fight all the way though.

Inoue is moving up I believe he's close to striking a deal to face Jamie McDonnell having informed the WBO he's vacating his title at 115. I don't think he'll be at 118 long either. He's filling out and I think he'll be at 122 by the end of 2019.
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Rungvisai was absolutely brutal against Chocolatito though. And let’s not forget, many had Gonzalez as the p4p #1 before their first fight. I think given Rungvisai’s upbringing and what he’s had to do to get where he is now, it’ll take someone special to stop him. I don’t think Estrada is that guy.

Yeah I heard Inoue is moving up. I think SSR is pretty big for 115 though and could see him moving up too.
 
Kazi said:
Rungvisai was absolutely brutal against Chocolatito though. And let’s not forget, many had Gonzalez as the p4p #1 before their first fight. I think given Rungvisai’s upbringing and what he’s had to do to get where he is now, it’ll take someone special to stop him. I don’t think Estrada is that guy.

Yeah I heard Inoue is moving up. I think SSR is pretty big for 115 though and could see him moving up too.
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I thought Gonzalez was the clear winner in fight I and yes he was brutally KO'd in the return. Estrada is more skilled, better defensively and naturally bigger than Chocolatito. He's also got a lot less wear and tear than him. Rungvisai will not have an opponent who's in front of him and easy to hit this Saturday.

Remember, Cuadras defeated Rungvisai and Estrada defeated Cuadras. Now I know it doesn't always work like that but Cuadras won by being quicker and a superior boxer whereas Estrda is at a higher level than Cuadras.
 
RedFish said:
Eunank was a big let down, but I still thought he'd do better than that shitshit of a performance. No guile, no technique disguisied by beimg matched up withwcannon fodder up until now. Still, not going to write off his career but it doesn't bode well for him unless he gets a proper trainer to teach him some fecking ringcraft.

Groves didn't do much, but his experience, size and being proven at the world level was simply too much for Eubank, who looked like a novice.

I think Rungvisai could get the win against Estrada. I know a lot don't agree but I had him winning that first fight against Roman as well as the 2nd obviously. He is at the peak of his powers. Estrada , for me is the more skilled boxer with slick combinations , equisite timing but can also hit hard and accurately. Still, He looked far from dominant against Caudras in his last outing and if he starts like that against Rungvisai then it could be all over for him, earlier than you might think. I'm going for a majority decision for Rungvisai and possibly a late stoppage.
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That fight you've got to factor a few things. Estrada had two big layoff's due to injuries and hadn't mixed it up at that level for a couple of years (after some great fights in 2012-2014) and boxed patiently against Cuadras who's style is more of a stylistic problem than Rungvisai's. With the Thai he won't have to box his way in or shake rust. He will already have a game plan and it's clear he is the vastly superior boxer from a skill standpoint so I look for him to start a lot faster but given Rungvisai's style and toughness it's possible he has a much harder time down the stretch. Interestingly I saw an interview with him where he said Rungvisai seems like a big weakness is how open he is for body shots and I remember Gonzalez hurting him a few times in fight I with body punches.

This fight reminds me of a smaller version of Marquez and Pacquaio. If it's half as good as any of those classics we've got a thriller on our hands.
 
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