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Will Spurs finish in the top four in the upcoming season?

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RedCurry said:
So Spurs already are using debt financing but it's not crippling. At exactly what point does the debt become crippling according to you? I am not disputing what you're saying btw.
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As of May of this year we're using a £400m bank loan, repayable over 5 years, to finance part of the stadium-complex cost. Most of the rest of the cost has already been paid for (£340m as of May) or will come out of the club's ongoing revenues.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what level of debt becomes crippling, but if Levy judges that we can't also afford a spending spree on players and player wages - beyond what we get for/save on player-sales - then I'm happy to go along with that because finance is his area of expertise.
 
GlastonSpur said:
As of May of this year we're using a £400m bank loan, repayable over 5 years, to finance part of the stadium-complex cost. Most of the rest of the cost has already been paid for (£340m as of May) or will come out of the club's ongoing revenues.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what level of debt becomes crippling, but if Levy judges that we can't also afford a spending spree on players and player wages - beyond what we get for/save on player-sales - then I'm happy to go along with that because finance is his area of expertise.
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Well yea, what you're saying makes sense. The finance department would've done a net present value analysis of the new project. You and I don't need to guess, we could do the same analysis. But then by similar definition, I don't know of any clubs in the PL who borrow money to buy players hence every club is well run.
 
Sold Walker for £50m
Bought Aurier for £25m

Aurier is the better player of the two and he hasn't even entered his peak years yet. On paper, that's a solid sporting decision and a profitable business outcome. Well done by Spurs.
 
Is this André Gomes rumor for real? Why would Spurs want him? Is this last transfer day panic buy? André Gomes in the PL with his intensity will be amusing to watch.
 
Sly said:
Is this André Gomes rumor for real? Why would Spurs want him? Is this last transfer day panic buy? André Gomes in the PL with his intensity will be amusing to watch.
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It is real but I think he is probably our back-up plan if we can't get Barkley.
 
balaks said:
It is real but I think he is probably our back-up plan if we can't get Barkley.
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Not a fan of Barkley but i'd prefer him to Gomes. I can't see Gomes adapting well to the pace of the PL but perhaps Pochettino can get something out of him.
 
Sly said:
Not a fan of Barkley but i'd prefer him to Gomes. I can't see Gomes adapting well to the pace of the PL but perhaps Pochettino can get something out of him.
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I gotta be honest and say I haven't seen enough of Gomes to judge.
 
Shuriken said:
Sold Walker for £50m
Bought Aurier for £25m

Aurier is the better player of the two and he hasn't even entered his peak years yet. On paper, that's a solid sporting decision and a profitable business outcome. Well done by Spurs.
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Do they ever not do good business regarding transfers? Say what like about Levy, but he's as shrewd a businessman as they come. Which kind of makes his irrational hatred of all things United even more bizzare all things considered.

Poch is no mug either, he's quick to identify a problem and even quicker in rectifying it.
 
balaks said:
I gotta be honest and say I haven't seen enough of Gomes to judge.
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I have. After leaving Valência, he has been pretty mediocre. It isn't surprising Barcelona wants to get rid of him. In our NT he hasn't been that good either. We clicked at the Euro's when he was benched. His form at the confederations cup wasn't that inspiring either. Having said that, Pochettino can be a good influence on him, he has done wonders with certain players and perhaps he can help Gomes return to his Valência form.
 
Random Task said:
Do they ever not do good business regarding transfers? Say what like about Levy, but he's as shrewd a businessman as they come. Which kind of makes his irrational hatred of all things United even more bizzare all things considered.

Poch is no mug either, he's quick to identify a problem and even quicker in rectifying it.
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Moussa Sissoko among plenty of others. He has his hits and misses just like anybody else in the transfer market.
 
Random Task said:
Do they ever not do good business regarding transfers? Say what like about Levy, but he's as shrewd a businessman as they come. Which kind of makes his irrational hatred of all things United even more bizzare all things considered.

Poch is no mug either, he's quick to identify a problem and even quicker in rectifying it.
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Every season. They repeatedly fail to appropriately strengthen their squad before the season starts, resulting in inevitably poor purchases at the arse end of the window.
 
balaks said:
It is real but I think he is probably our back-up plan if we can't get Barkley.
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If Spurs can trump Chelsea for the signature of Ross Barkley, the implications would suggest Spurs are clearly on the up.

Losing out on Lukaku to United then Barkley to Spurs? Chelsea fans will be furious at this summers transfer dealings :lol:
 
AR87 said:
Moussa Sissoko among plenty of others. He has his hits and misses just like anybody else in the transfer market.
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Kag said:
Every season. They repeatedly fail to appropriately strengthen their squad before the season starts, resulting in inevitably poor purchases at the arse end of the window.
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I was more referring to the eventual cost of the players they sign. That certain players turn out to be failures is irrelevant.
 
Kag said:
Every season. They repeatedly fail to appropriately strengthen their squad before the season starts, resulting in inevitably poor purchases at the arse end of the window.
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I don't think you can say that about this window just yet. Aurier is potentially an excellent signing - we may still sign Barkley and I'm still hoping we might get a quick attacker in (though looking unlikely at this stage). Llorente would be a very good back-up for Kane if we sign him, another thing we have lacked. If we do get a pacey attacker then this has been an exceptional window for us imo.
 
AR87 said:
You just mean the fees paid out? If so Sissoko for 30m was poor value and there are others.

On the net he's done a good job, but he's cocked up his fair share as well.
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Stop making me stick up for Daniel Levy, I detest the man.

But come on, you have to admit that he generally does very well in the transfer market, particularly in light of the fact that he runs the club on a shoestring budget in comparison to other top flight prem teams.
 
Random Task said:
Stop making me stick up for Daniel Levy, I detest the man.

But come on, you have to admit that he generally does very well in the transfer market, particularly in light of the fact that he runs the club on a shoestring budget in comparison to other top flight prem teams.
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In the comment you responded to I said "on the net he's done a good job" so I agree, but I'm not going to give him a complete pass for mistakes he's made as well. For example, if he hadn't waited until the end of the window and instead spent the Sissoko money on a better attacking option Spurs may have won the league instead of finishing 2nd.

Overall yes, he does quite well, like selling Wimmer a year on for 12m profit.
 
balaks said:
I don't think you can say that about this window just yet. Aurier is potentially an excellent signing - we may still sign Barkley and I'm still hoping we might get a quick attacker in (though looking unlikely at this stage). Llorente would be a very good back-up for Kane if we sign him, another thing we have lacked. If we do get a pacey attacker then this has been an exceptional window for us imo.
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Personnel-wise, you're seemingly signing some good players. But these are players you should have been buying in June or July. I appreciate that many deals are clearly difficult to do, many of which go down to the wire. But Spurs (because of Levy) seem to deliberately go out of their way to make their entire approach to transfer business rushed, messy and, worst of all, late. It's the sort of strategy that brings in Sissoko at 23:59. United would know, because we've had recent experience with Fellaini.
 
Sly said:
I have. After leaving Valência, he has been pretty mediocre. It isn't surprising Barcelona wants to get rid of him. In our NT he hasn't been that good either. We clicked at the Euro's when he was benched. His form at the confederations cup wasn't that inspiring either. Having said that, Pochettino can be a good influence on him, he has done wonders with certain players and perhaps he can help Gomes return to his Valência form.
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Out of curiously, what was it about his play at Valencia that got him the Barca move? I know very little about the player other than that's he flopped at Barca according to most. But don't know much about the strengths that got him the move initially.
 
Kag said:
Personnel-wise, you're seemingly signing some good players. But these are players you should have been buying in June or July. I appreciate that many deals are clearly difficult to do, many of which go down to the wire. But Spurs (because of Levy) seem to deliberately go out of their way to make their entire approach to transfer business rushed, messy and, worst of all, late. It's the sort of strategy that brings in Sissoko at 23:59. United would know, because we've had recent experience with Fellaini.
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Well just because a deal is completed on deadline day doesn't mean that talks and preparation hasn't been ongoing for weeks or even months. Levy does it on purpose to try and get the best deal possible. It's not perfect but can be very effective.
 
Still trying to wrap my head around how we were able to sell Wimmer for more than we paid for Alderweireld. Have to hand it to Levy for that.
 
Kag said:
Personnel-wise, you're seemingly signing some good players. But these are players you should have been buying in June or July. I appreciate that many deals are clearly difficult to do, many of which go down to the wire. But Spurs (because of Levy) seem to deliberately go out of their way to make their entire approach to transfer business rushed, messy and, worst of all, late. It's the sort of strategy that brings in Sissoko at 23:59. United would know, because we've had recent experience with Fellaini.
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Spurs are notoriously late in their transfer dealings, not sure if it's a genuine strategem or simple bone idleness, but by hook or by crook they tend to get the business done.

£25m for Aurier is incredible.
 
BigDub said:
Still trying to wrap my head around how we were able to sell Wimmer for more than we paid for Alderweireld. Have to hand it to Levy for that.
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We bought Aurier and Sanchez for less than we got for Walker and Wimmer (I think I'm right in saying that). Let that sink in.
 
BigDub said:
Still trying to wrap my head around how we were able to sell Wimmer for more than we paid for Alderweireld. Have to hand it to Levy for that.
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How are contract negotiations going for this lad? Haven't heard much on this front of late.
 
balaks said:
We bought Aurier and Sanchez for less than we got for Walker and Wimmer (I think I'm right in saying that). Let that sink in.
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Yeah that's insane. The price for Wimmer on its own was impressive. Also heard we've had bids for Janssen that exceed what we paid. Not sure if that's true, but if so it would be another impressive one.
 
balaks said:
We bought Aurier and Sanchez for less than we got for Walker and Wimmer (I think I'm right in saying that). Let that sink in.
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Not saying that you are, but I can't help but feel Walker is getting underrated because of the ridiculous price he went for. He was a hugely valuable player for Spurs the last couple of years and ran the right flank all by himself as a key piece of perhaps the league's best defense over that time.

Good business for Spurs obviously, but I'm just wary that Aurier can step in and provide the same energy and consistent performances Walker delivered over the last couple of seasons.
 
Random Task said:
How are contract negotiations going for this lad? Haven't heard much on this front of late.
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No major movement on it yet. Rumor is once the window is closed contracts will get sorted. Not sure how true that is, but extending Toby has to be the top priority.
 
Why are clubs including Spurs waiting so long trying to conclude deals? Looks unorganized and badly planned.
 
Z_Wolf said:
What?
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It's not that hard to understand.

Llorente has that ability to score in runs. If he smashes a hat trick and is man of the match when Kane gets rested, I'm sure he'll play in the next match.

It's not a suggestion that he's as good.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
It's not that hard to understand.

Llorente has that ability to score in runs. If he smashes a hat trick and is man of the match when Kane gets rested, I'm sure he'll play in the next match.

It's not a suggestion that he's as good.
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0 chance of that happening for a multitude of reasons.
 
Red Katie said:
Why are clubs including Spurs waiting so long trying to conclude deals? Looks unorganized and badly planned.
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Levy.

Whether we like it or not it just seems to be how he operates. That said, very happy with the signings we've made today. Coupled with the catastrophes that have been Chelsea's and Arsenal's deadline days, I have to say I'm quite pleased.
 
On top of that I just noticed we put 7 past West Ham in the u23 match today :lol:
 
BigDub said:
Levy.

Whether we like it or not it just seems to be how he operates. That said, very happy with the signings we've made today. Coupled with the catastrophes that have been Chelsea's and Arsenal's deadline days, I have to say I'm quite pleased.
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Like the London bus service, you don't see one for ages then 2 come along at once.
 
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