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Will Spurs finish in the top four in the upcoming season?


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It seems this "Wembley curse" is all nonsense. Yes they've dropped points at home, but is there anything concrete linking their form to where they play at?

Think for a lot of teams - it's probably the only time they'll ever play at Wembley. So they may have that extra 10% to give on the day which makes a difference. My theory anyway. Probably shamelessly stolen from another person...
 
Think for a lot of teams - it's probably the only time they'll ever play at Wembley. So they may have that extra 10% to give on the day which makes a difference. My theory anyway. Probably shamelessly stolen from another person...

Yeah a few others mentioned this.

Doesn't make sense though (completely). I'd understand if it was a FA cup tie, but are players actually g'd up because they are playing at the new Wembley?

Either way if there's some player out there who comes out and says this then I'll buy into the idea more.
 
Yeah a few others mentioned this.

Doesn't make sense though (completely). I'd understand if it was a FA cup tie, but are players actually g'd up because they are playing at the new Wembley?

Either way if there's some player out there who comes out and says this then I'll buy into the idea more.

I really don't know. It's probably all just nonsense and Spurs have returned to being Spurs.

In all seriousness, though - a lot of clubs from the PL will probably never ever even reach the semifinals of Wembley. It's an iconic stadium. I think every football fan knows of it and it's history. So maybe like someone said earlier - the players raise their game subconsciously.
 
Yeah a few others mentioned this.

Doesn't make sense though (completely). I'd understand if it was a FA cup tie, but are players actually g'd up because they are playing at the new Wembley?

Either way if there's some player out there who comes out and says this then I'll buy into the idea more.

I think Courtois said same thing.
 
I really don't know. It's probably all just nonsense and Spurs have returned to being Spurs.

In all seriousness, though - a lot of clubs from the PL will probably never ever even reach the semifinals of Wembley. It's an iconic stadium. I think every football fan knows of it and it's history. So maybe like someone said earlier - the players raise their game subconsciously.

The notion that certain footballers, particularly English ones, raise their game when playing at Wembley is perfectly reasonable. But shouldn't the same logic apply to the likes of Alli, Dier and Kane? They have each represented England on numerous occasions at Wembley and their performances so far this season have been distinctly average.

Either way, I feel this Wembley hoodoo is becoming somewhat of a mental block for the players. The longer the poor run continues the harder it will be to turn around. This is where Poch' man managment ability will be put to the test. He needs to be convincing his players that Wembley is just another football stadium like any other and their performances when playing their should remain consistent to their ability. If he fails in this task then he is failing in his job.
 
It was implied in your post. No I don't think he had a good game but it's not why Spurs were so toothless. You can continue to pretend to yourself that Spurs were just unlucky but any neutral watching the game isn't going to think that. They had zero ideas.

Where was it implied that the ref was solely responsible? I said he had a stinker and he did.

You're easily pleased then.

Spurs without the width and pace provided by Walker and Rose tend to look a little one dimensional for my liking. Eriksen appears to be solely responsible for the creative side of things in this Spurs setup (at least with Dembele out of the team) but he lacked any real variation to his game yesterday, far to direct and ultimately predictable. Sissoko, bar a solitary pass to set Kane up, offered nothing but sideways passes all game. Dier was largely ineffective as he has been all season offensively. Son simply runs about a lot offering nowt in the way of end product. Alli is missing Rose and aside from a couple of goals has looked average thus far. It was a poor performance from every offensive aspect.

Defensively speaking they were as solid as a rock. Sanchez flanked by Vertonghen and Alderweireld is probably the best defensive setup in the prem bar none, which is set to be your only saving grace this season.

Our problem was Sissoko and Dier in midfield against a parked bus, once Aurier and Rose is fit our width will return. I hate this "spurs need a pacer winger" BS, we don't play with wingers. Every team playing against a team that parks the bus will have difficulties getting through, just my opinion. I'm a realist I don't lose my shit if we draw against a bus parker and cry into my soup. So many fans opinion change their opinion on a game by game basis, knee jerking all over the internet it's pathetic.
 
Where was it implied that the ref was solely responsible? I said he had a stinker and he did.



Our problem was Sissoko and Dier in midfield against a parked bus, once Aurier and Rose is fit our width will return. I hate this "spurs need a pacer winger" BS, we don't play with wingers. Every team playing against a team that parks the bus will have difficulties getting through, just my opinion. I'm a realist I don't lose my shit if we draw against a bus parker and cry into my soup. So many fans opinion change their opinion on a game by game basis, knee jerking all over the internet it's pathetic.

Just giving my honest opinion on the teams performance, which in my opnion was poor generally speaking.

I agree with you by the way "park the bus" teams are extremely frustrating to play against, but if Spurs are to include themselves in the "big club" bracket they need to get used to playing against those stubborn as feck teams who simply refuse to concede defeat. Welcome to the big leagues ;)
 
I did say 1 win wouldn't change it

Spurs will be relying on their away form to reach top 4 this season and their away form to the top 6 is shite

They're fecked
Does someone have really good away form to the top 6?

To me form against the top 6 isn't much of an indicator of anything. Else Liverpool would have won the league instead of narrowly finishing 4th only barely beating out a piss poor Arsenal.
 
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Just giving my honest opinion on the teams performance, which in my opnion was poor generally speaking.

I agree with you by the way "park the bus" teams are extremely frustrating to play against, but if Spurs are to include themselves in the "big club" bracket they need to get used to playing against those stubborn as feck teams who simply refuse to concede defeat. Welcome to the big leagues ;)

I don't think it's anything new tbh, we had the same problem last season.

Because you don't have any.

Cause we don't play with wingers lol, where do you see wingers in our team?
 
I don't think it's anything new tbh, we had the same problem last season.

Cause we don't play with wingers lol, where do you see wingers in our team?

You were very interested in Zaha for a reason. The reason you don't have wingers is because Levy hasn't purchased one, not because there's no desire for one or because "you don't play wingers".
 
Did you watch the game?

If so what did you make of the performance generally speaking?

Are you having a good day?

Yes, I watched the game, which we totally dominated. We were denied what should have been a pen, hit the bar and the Swansea GK had a worldie. However, we lacked the creativity to open up a packed defence. 9 times out of 10 we would have won that game, but yesterday was that 10th time.

I think Poch made a mistake in not starting Davies at LB, and whilst I understand his desire to rest our only fit LB after a tough game against Dortmund, he won't be playing mid-week against Barnsley I wouldn't have thought, and so resting him wasn't really necessary and smacked of complacency. His absence disturbed the team's balance, more so in attack than in defence.
 
Just giving my honest opinion on the teams performance, which in my opnion was poor generally speaking.

I agree with you by the way "park the bus" teams are extremely frustrating to play against, but if Spurs are to include themselves in the "big club" bracket they need to get used to playing against those stubborn as feck teams who simply refuse to concede defeat. Welcome to the big leagues ;)
Would it be considered wumming to say that now that they're at the big boy's table, they just can't deal with it?

Because that's what it is. Beyond the additional 424 square feet of the Wembley pitch, they've been, as of yet unable to adapt to the fact that smaller teams now see them as a top tier club and play accordingly. Before, whether they were bottom of the league or not, they wouldn't sit deep in their own halves and play for a draw against them.
Seems like an odd take from you both.

Especially considering the opponent who did the exact same against us at their own ground last season when we had an electric 3-1 win with all 3 goals scored in the dying minutes.

Teams aren't just now parking the bus. They've done it plenty before and of course it's frustrating, but we've been used to it for a long time. I guess people don't remember but we used to get sucker punched by it under Redknapp all the time.

It's only ever grown since and we've been relatively good at breaking down those teams compared to our counterparts. Of course it's easy to hit Spurs with it now when we're in a poor patch, but I'm sure it will all be forgotten when we hit our stride.
 
Seems like an odd take from you both.

Especially considering the opponent who did the exact same against us at their own ground last season when we had an electric 3-1 win with all 3 goals scored in the dying minutes.

Teams aren't just now parking the bus. They've done it plenty before and of course it's frustrating, but we've been used to it for a long time. I guess people don't remember but we used to get sucker punched by it under Redknapp all the time.

It's only ever grown since and we've been relatively good at breaking down those teams compared to our counterparts. Of course it's easy to hit Spurs with it now when we're in a poor patch, but I'm sure it will all be forgotten when we hit our stride.

I think Spurs will eventually find some consistent form somewhere down the road; if/when they adapt to playing at Wembley and of course Rose coming back and playing at the level he is capable of, plus Aurier settling well and performing to the standard of his predecessor. That is a lot of ifs and buts, though. But yeah, at some point in the season I'm expecting Spurs to explode (which is very likely why I'm getting my punches in now! :p) of course by then it could be all to late.
 
Does someone have really good away form to the top 6?

Dunno but they're all better than Spurs

To me form against the top 6 isn't much of an indicator of anything. Else Liverpool would have won the league instead of narrowly finishing 4th only barely beating out a piss poor Arsenal.

which is fine if you beat the lesser sides, Spurs aren't doing that
 
Where was it implied that the ref was solely responsible? I said he had a stinker and he did.



Our problem was Sissoko and Dier in midfield against a parked bus, once Aurier and Rose is fit our width will return. I hate this "spurs need a pacer winger" BS, we don't play with wingers. Every team playing against a team that parks the bus will have difficulties getting through, just my opinion. I'm a realist I don't lose my shit if we draw against a bus parker and cry into my soup. So many fans opinion change their opinion on a game by game basis, knee jerking all over the internet it's pathetic.
Where did I say you said 'solely'? Pedantry isn't going to change facts. You've continually said Spurs played well and were unlucky and the ref was shite. You seem to be putting a fair portion of blame on the ref. Whether he was shite or not it doesn't mean Spurs weren't shite for 90 minutes. You don't appear to be acknowledging Spurs failure and Fanbanski saving a load of hit and hopes isn't a sign of misfortune.
 
You were very interested in Zaha for a reason. The reason you don't have wingers is because Levy hasn't purchased one, not because there's no desire for one or because "you don't play wingers".

There is a big difference between in inside forward and a winger.
 
Where did I say you said 'solely'? Pedantry isn't going to change facts. You've continually said Spurs played well and were unlucky and the ref was shite. You seem to be putting a fair portion of blame on the ref. Whether he was shite or not it doesn't mean Spurs weren't shite for 90 minutes. You don't appear to be acknowledging Spurs failure and Fanbanski saving a load of hit and hopes isn't a sign of misfortune.

I said the ref was terrible he was, I don't get what exactly is wrong with dying that? It's a game we should have won but didn't we move on, I'm not obsessing about it :lol:.
 
See Poch isn't bothered about the 'domestic cup competitions' when he's won precisely nothing: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...auricio-Pochettino-dismisses-Carabao-Cup.html

Don't know why he's got so many fans on here to be honest. Doesn't sound like he has the right mentality imho.

All he's really said is that he gives a higher priority to the league and CL, which is fair enough because if everything is a priority then nothing is a priority.

I'm sure if we make through into the later rounds of the domestic cups then he'll start to field stronger teams in them.
 
Spurs will be fine this season. They are not winning the league but will be in top 4 for sure.
 
See Poch isn't bothered about the 'domestic cup competitions' when he's won precisely nothing: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...auricio-Pochettino-dismisses-Carabao-Cup.html

Don't know why he's got so many fans on here to be honest. Doesn't sound like he has the right mentality imho.
Aiming to win CL and PL in Poch's word is no brainer. The problem is not believable for Tottenham.

And Poch's example on Wigan is poor. There would always be some smaller team make it here and there, but in the big picture, the teams who dominate domestic cups also happen to be the high profile clubs in the league too (at least for so called top leagues). Poch's point can be spinned around regarding winning the league. Blackburn, Leicester ain't being expected to win the league again anytime soon. So perhaps the answer lies with top clubs are those who have ambition and aim to win everything in sight. I don't see Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern, Juventus take lightly their domestic cup campaign. And these clubs surely push hard for CL and their domestic league.
 
Are Spure playing with reduced capacity? Thought the upper tier was completely empty against Dortmund or swansea.
 
Obviously relegation will be a very kind punishment for this.

I actually agree. What a shambles. Can I be a Utd fan now please?

Edit: just remembered the ad with a space ship with Rooney in it. Nah your alright!
 
I actually agree. What a shambles. Can I be a Utd fan now please?

Edit: just remembered the ad with a space ship with Rooney in it. Nah your alright!

What are you talking about? That acting was Oscar worthy.
 
We're allowed full capacity for most games over 90%, but some have restrictions due to concerns from local residents.

For CL also it's full capacity?

Just checked in PL, Spurs highest attendance is 73K and lowerst is 70K but Wembley capacity is 90K.

So how is it decided for which games Spurs will use full capacity and for which it's reduced?
 
In the absence of PL week 7 thread .... [Edit: has now appeared just as I posted this]

Huddersfield v Spurs. Kick-off 12.30pm

Huddersfield: Lossl, Smith, Hogg, Kachunga, Mooy, Lowe, van La Parra, Depoitre, Ince, Zanka, Schindler.
Subs: Green, Malone, Whitehead, Billing, Sabiri, Cranie, Florent Hadergjonaj

Spurs: Lloris, Trippier, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Sanchez, Davies, Dier, Winks, Eriksen, Alli, Kane.
Subs: Vorm, Foyth, Walker-Peters, Sissoko, Nkoudou, Son, Llorente
 
Amazingly, give the supposed 'Wembley factor', we're now on the same number of points as last season from the same/equivalent fixtures.
 
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