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Will Spurs finish in the top four in the upcoming season?

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Tippy tappy football looks great when you’re winning. But when you need a goal, in a big game - you desperately need a second or third strategy.

Poch is young and learning but not in the same world as Jose, Pep or even Klopp yet.
 
One thing I don't get when it comes to their players and contracts is the lack of release clause demands.
They know what Tottenham are like for selling players, but also the club don't win things, so why wouldn't they request release clauses in their contracts, especially knowing they are underpaid in today's market.

You go to Tottenham, you're almost trapped there.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
The love in continues...

"Pochettino’s success at Tottenham cannot be judged on trophies alone"
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Shows the nonsense spoken about Spurs for what it is. Our goal at Old Trafford was a punt up the pitch and flick on and is old fashioned. Obviously Vertonghen’s punt up the pitch for Spurs first goal is modern Football. Load of shite.
 
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A good team, but they are weak mentally. It's as if the only way they'll win anything will be by being a few goals up early on. That doesn't happen often and when it's tight, they crumble.

I think once (or if) they do win a trophy in the next few years a couple will follow after, a bit like Arsenal.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
One thing I don't get when it comes to their players and contracts is the lack of release clause demands.
They know what Tottenham are like for selling players, but also the club don't win things, so why wouldn't they request release clauses in their contracts, especially knowing they are underpaid in today's market.

You go to Tottenham, you're almost trapped there.
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This is something Levy manages to do very well. Ties the player into a long term contract, so if things turn sour (which they inevitably do after no pay rise/ bigger clubs circling) he can get maximum resale value. The players don't seem to learn their lesson.
 
@GlastonSpur

Serious question; what is your opinion on Spurs consistently bottling the important matches?

I think even if Spurs did win yesterday, they would have still lost the final. It seems ingrained into their DNA.

What needs to change at the club in your opinion? What would you improve if you took over from Levy?

Not trolling you, genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts.
 
Hansa said:
That's incredible. The youngest Spurs semi-final winner is 47 years old today.

Edit: Age thing.
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1993 - 1-0 Arsenal

1995 - 4-1 Everton

1999 - 2-0 Newcastle

2001 - 2-1 Arsenal

2010 - 2-0 Portsmouth

2012 - 5-1 Chelsea

2017 - 4-2 Chelsea

2018 - 2-1 Man Utd

Had forgotten all about Pompey knocking them out.
 
AgentP said:
We should definitely sign Alderweireld. He is the perfect ball playing CB that we so desperately need. With him in the side, Smalling might get even better as he won't have to worry too much about getting the ball forward. Apart from him, the only other player that we might end up going for is Danny Rose. Eriksen, Kane and Alli are all excellent players but none of them would be sold or come here. Our focus in the summer market will be on defense and midfield.
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Why the negativity? If Alexis and Pogba came here, Matic too then how is Eriksen not an option. The seeds of discontent were sewn with Walkers exit. More to follow. too many near misses and I feel the side has peaked.
 
R.N7 said:
1993 - 1-0 Arsenal

1995 - 4-1 Everton

1999 - 2-0 Newcastle

2001 - 2-1 Arsenal

2010 - 2-0 Portsmouth

2012 - 5-1 Chelsea

2017 - 4-2 Chelsea

2018 - 2-1 Man Utd

Had forgotten all about Pompey knocking them out.
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Pompey knocked us out in 07-08 in the quarters. Really fecking annoying. Should have been our 2nd treble.
That's for reminding me of that. :(
 
Stacks said:
Why the negativity? If Alexis and Pogba came here, Matic too then how is Eriksen not an option. The seeds of discontent were sewn with Walkers exit. More to follow. too many near misses and I feel the side has peaked.
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Not being negative. I just don't think he'll be a priority for us. Jose already said he won't be getting any attackers next season. It looks like we'll be playing 433 next season so I don't know where we'll fit him even if we do get him. Then obviously we have Levy who would absolutely refuse to sell him to us. If we do end up signing an attacker, it would be someone like Willian who has plenty of pace.
 
Just want to say how sweet it is to beat Spurs in a semi final on their own pitch after hearing all fcking season long how we’re the past, they’re the future & that they’re ‘really’ the second best team in England despite league position.

Oh and how embarrassing for Southgate to see an English defender you’ve discarded totally keep quiet all game your number 1 striker
 
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Now I get the title. :lol::lol:
 
Peanut Butter said:
@GlastonSpur

Serious question; what is your opinion on Spurs consistently bottling the important matches?

I think even if Spurs did win yesterday, they would have still lost the final. It seems ingrained into their DNA.

What needs to change at the club in your opinion? What would you improve if you took over from Levy?

Not trolling you, genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts.
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Why is it "bottling" to lose to Manchester United, a side that sits comfortably ahead of Spurs in 2nd place in the league?
 
Varun said:
Why is it "bottling" to lose to Manchester United, a side that sits comfortably ahead of Spurs in 2nd place in the league?
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In the grand scheme of things, it’s a bottle job. Haven’t they now lost their last 8 semi finals in a row?
 
To be fair to Glaston, most of the people tagging him now wouldn't open this thread for days if Spurs had won.

I don't believe the players will be happy the manager's comments pre-game, and his changes during the game. It's on Pochettino more than the players themselves.
 
Varun said:
Why is it "bottling" to lose to Manchester United, a side that sits comfortably ahead of Spurs in 2nd place in the league?
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I would class it as bottling because they had a real chance to win a trophy for once, they have a decent team, they were playing at home...

Yet still they couldn’t beat us. They didn’t get outplayed but we were the better team, seemed a bit more on our game and much better in the crucial moments. They just couldn’t quite raise their game enough to beat us as we were a bit better.

That must hurt.
 
Peanut Butter said:
In the grand scheme of things, it’s a bottle job. Haven’t they now lost their last 8 semi finals in a row?
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That makes no sense. They lost to a very good team, a team that has been better than them this season and sits comfortably in 2nd place in the table.

You could believe they are a much better team in which case you'd be justified in saying they bottled it mind. If that's the case, well, nothing much can be said. Doubt even spurs fans think so though.

The grand scheme of things as you called it means little when you claim they bottled it yesterday when they were beaten by a better side.
 
Rafaeldagold said:
I would class it as bottling because they had a real chance to win a trophy for once, they have a decent team, they were playing at home...

Yet still they couldn’t beat us. They didn’t get outplayed but we were the better team, seemed a bit more on our game and much better in the crucial moments. They just couldn’t quite raise their game enough to beat us as we were a bit better.

That must hurt.
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It would hurt but it wouldn't be "bottling" it by any sensible definition of the word.
 
Stacks said:
Lets go and raid Tottenham. Some big players with 24 months left on contract.
3 Belgians next year including their 1st choice CB's. Jose must be licking his lips.

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Érik Lamela
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Toby and Eriksen are the obvious ones, but personally I’d love Dembele.
 
Varun said:
Why is it "bottling" to lose to Manchester United, a side that sits comfortably ahead of Spurs in 2nd place in the league?
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Calling that individual result them 'bottling' it is incredibly silly and representative of the fact that people overuse the term and apply it to any context that suits, but looked at in a wider context Spurs do have a fairly regular habit of losing important semi-finals and key games where they look as if they might actually win something.
 
Varun said:
It would hurt but it wouldn't be "bottling" it by any sensible definition of the word.
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How would you describe bottling?
If you’re at more or less equal talent wise with an opponent, are involved in a big game and have the luck to be playing on your home pitch for chance to reach the FA Cup final and you go 1-0 up...and still contrive a way to lose? Which they have for last 8 fa Cup semi finals.

That’s a sensible definition of bottling a game to me.
 
Cheesy said:
Calling that individual result them 'bottling' it is incredibly silly and representative of the fact that people overuse the term and apply it to any context that suits, but looked at in a wider context Spurs do have a fairly regular habit of losing important semi-finals and key games where they look as if they might actually win something.
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I agree with all of that. Its just using it in the context of yesterday's game that's wrong. Being beaten by an equal, let alone a better team isn't bottling it.
 
Varun said:
That makes no sense. They lost to a very good team, a team that has been better than them this season and sits comfortably in 2nd place in the table.

You could believe they are a much better team in which case you'd be justified in saying they bottled it mind. If that's the case, well, nothing much can be said. Doubt even spurs fans think so though.

The grand scheme of things as you called it means little when you claim they bottled it yesterday when they were beaten by a better side.
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They went 1-0 up and still went on to bottle yet another important game with the possibility of silverware just one more match away.

Spurs are, and have been for as long as I can remember, perennial bottlers.

But they play nice footy and don’t spend any money so it’s all good.
 
Rafaeldagold said:
How would you describe bottling?
If you’re at more or less equal talent wise with an opponent, are involved in a big game and have the luck to be playing on your home pitch for chance to reach the FA Cup final and you go 1-0 up...and still contrive a way to lose? Which they have for last 8 fa Cup semi finals.

That’s a sensible definition of bottling a game to me.
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In what respect? Losing to an equal in a one-off game where you have a slight advantage, if any, is just losing a game. If we're going by this then the vast majority of games lost by a big team in which they had a decent chance to win would be seen as them bottling it.

Spurs do have a history of bottling. When looked upon in a larger narrative they regularly fail to win trophies in spite of arguably having the talent to do so, and their throwing away 2nd place in 2015-16 was a prime example of a team bottling it by losing a position they were almost certain to obtain. But losing a one-off big game isn't bottling it unless you, say, throw a 3-0 or 4-0 lead. If we're classing losing an important cup game as bottling it then literally every side in world football can be classed under this category, hence diluting it.
 
Cheesy said:
In what respect? Losing to an equal in a one-off game where you have a slight advantage, if any, is just losing a game. If we're going by this then the vast majority of games lost by a big team in which they had a decent chance to win would be seen as them bottling it.

Spurs do have a history of bottling. When looked upon in a larger narrative they regularly fail to win trophies in spite of arguably having the talent to do so, and their throwing away 2nd place in 2015-16 was a prime example of a team bottling it by losing a position they were almost certain to obtain. But losing a one-off big game isn't bottling it unless you, say, throw a 3-0 or 4-0 lead. If we're classing losing an important cup game as bottling it then literally every side in world football can be classed under this category, hence diluting it.
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You’ve just ignored all my points about why this match could be classed as bottling.

1- They were at home
2- They went 1-0 up
3- They have good enough players so they had the opportunity to win the game from having points 1 & 2 in their favour.

But they didn’t. Because they lacked the game management/mentality to win an important game of football. (Ie-bottling)

And to your last point a few teams who do lose important games can bottle games too, depends to what extent. This one feels like quite a big bottle job for Spurs especially after being lauded as better than us all season and being the ‘real’ second best team in the country.
 
Remember when we were discussing who had a better season last year - now the narrative has changed. Trophies matter, otherwise you're just the nearly men and no one remembers or cares about that.
 
The Man Himself said:
Man, what a trash piece and coming from someone respectable like Jonathan Wilson. For media, there are certain clubs and managers who can never lose and a certain club and manager who can never win. C'est la vie.
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Can it be England national team related, i mean if Kane/Alli and others were from Zimbabwe would they have same view as today?
 
Cheesy said:
In what respect? Losing to an equal in a one-off game where you have a slight advantage, if any, is just losing a game. If we're going by this then the vast majority of games lost by a big team in which they had a decent chance to win would be seen as them bottling it.

Spurs do have a history of bottling. When looked upon in a larger narrative they regularly fail to win trophies in spite of arguably having the talent to do so, and their throwing away 2nd place in 2015-16 was a prime example of a team bottling it by losing a position they were almost certain to obtain. But losing a one-off big game isn't bottling it unless you, say, throw a 3-0 or 4-0 lead. If we're classing losing an important cup game as bottling it then literally every side in world football can be classed under this category, hence diluting it.
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They've only lost after going ahead three times this year.
The CL
FA cup
Carling Cup

It's ridiculous. How many times do they have to shit the bed in do or die cup games before people realise what they're seeing?
You cannot lose this or we are out. That sentence sends chills down Spurs players spines.
 
R'hllor said:
Can it be England national team related, i mean if Kane/Alli and others were from Zimbabwe would they have same view as today?
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Don't know, at least in that article Wilson just kept on defending Poch. I agree that Poch has done a great job but you can't brush off these cup losses of his. The narrative swiftly changes for these journalists if losing manager is Mourinho. Then the improvement in league after the position he found himself after taking over, in terms of squad mentality and quality is never mentioned.
 
Varun said:
Why is it "bottling" to lose to Manchester United, a side that sits comfortably ahead of Spurs in 2nd place in the league?
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Because Spurs players and manager are destined for greatness, while all of our players are leaving due to a has-been manager? Because every neutral and their mother was predicting a win for Spurs?

Did you miss the media reaction to this Spurs loss? What about notable journalists damning the FA cup twitter account for giving some banter about Kane being in Smalling's pocket?
 
Rafaeldagold said:
How would you describe bottling?
If you’re at more or less equal talent wise with an opponent, are involved in a big game and have the luck to be playing on your home pitch for chance to reach the FA Cup final and you go 1-0 up...and still contrive a way to lose? Which they have for last 8 fa Cup semi finals.

That’s a sensible definition of bottling a game to me.
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Speaking of contriving a way to lose, I think Spurs' best bottle job was when LCFC won the title.
They scored the most goals. Conceded the least goals and still did not win the league. I mean, how the hell is that even possible? Poch and Spurs are match made in heaven.
 
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