The Spurs thread | 2017-18 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

[James Peril]

Spurs will be a serious contender for the title this (next?) season.

Best Striker in the World is staying 100%. Dele Alli barring something out the blue is staying. Most importantly, Pochettino is staying.

New stadium. Money to spend to add to a brilliant squad. I think they'll make an exemplary signing too, maybe our own Martial.

If anyone finishes above them, that team wins the league

This makes no sense. They had all of these players last season as well and finished 23 points behind the winner in 3rd - who knows which edition of Alli turns out. He is a forward, and not a particularly good one compared to the best players in the league - his general play is not at a top level - his heading at the back-post is I suppose. They are losing their best midfielder in Dembele to China by the looks of it, he will be very difficult to replace for the same buck. Right now they have a midfield of Wanyama, Dier and Winks - that's not even top 6. The new stadium will not help them much the first year, at least not more than any other club - they complained about Wembley not being home, then this will be the same - both stadiums had/will have their bird-logo on the door. And what happens to Alderweireld? Who knows, and how motivated is he really to continue? As for signings, we'll see - you can say this about every single club, and Spurs don't have a lot. If competing for top players, they will not get them easily - due to stature of the club and wages. Remember this is a club that have purchased players like Sissoko, Aurier, Llorente and Lucas over the recent windows, they do not get Eriksen's every time. Keeping Poch is great for them, but like I said in the beginning, they had him last season as well.

Tottenham are a fine club with an up-and-coming manager, but they lack winners and experience for sure. They need 4-5 great signings to compete for the title, and there are several other clubs in the market for the same players I'm sure. As of right now with City winning the league, keeping all of their best players and consolidating, the chances of Spurs winning the league next season is close to zero. Not that it's very high for any other clubs either, including Man Utd. Arsenal are 0%, same with Chelsea as things stand. Liverpool are in a very positive mood and match every team on their day, it goes without saying that they have strengthened a whole lot with Keita and Fabinho compared to Henderson and Milner - as well as pushing said players to the bench and automatically creating a bigger squad. United are a few signings short and still a huge distance behind City, just like Tottenham.

Bet365 have Spurs at 17/1 to win the league next season and that sounds about right - leaving them with what, 5-6% chance of winning the league? You should really break the bank and bet on Spurs if you think they are a "serious" contender, something they have never been in the Premier League.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Hope so, do you think Martial will be at United next season after the comments from his agent?

No, he is gone, sometimes it doesnt work out and I wish him well wherever he may go. But I want players 100% committed to the club and willing to fight tooth and nail. Interestingly enough he has been linked with Spurs but if he can't get games in front of Rom regularly he certainly wont be getting them in front of Kane who is one of the best out and out strikers in Europe. So he trades the bench here for a bench at Spurs? Seems unlikely, his best bet is Chelsea, he has every chance of getting the nod over Giroud and Morata and being the first choice selection.

Spurs will be a serious contender for the title this (next?) season.

Best Striker in the World is staying 100%. Dele Alli barring something out the blue is staying. Most importantly, Pochettino is staying.

New stadium. Money to spend to add to a brilliant squad. I think they'll make an exemplary signing too, maybe our own Martial.

If anyone finishes above them, that team wins the league

Im waiting to see if they keep Eriksen and he signs a new improved contract, for me he will leave this season or next for big money to one of the giants. The Iniesta replacement at Barca or the Modric replacement at Madrid. Him and Kane are their two world class players, and they dont really have someone who can fill his role if he leaves.

And also who they bring in, they are well stocked in the attacking area behind the striker. They need real backup for Kane, Llorente is not getting any younger, some creativity in that midfield and a CB or two.

 

[finneh]

To a PL rival? I would love him at Spurs, I definitely think Martial is the reason Toby hasn't been sold to you.

I think there could be a situation that suits both parties, I just struggle to see Levy valueing our player and your player realistically enough to make it happen.

A realistic situation which would suit all parties might be something like Alderweireld + £30m (or Rose) + 20% sell on fee in Martial's contract. That would give United a potential £35~m extra in a few years if he realises his potential and the likes of Madrid come calling (or if United are back in for him he's instantly 20% cheaper than what others have to pay).

However I can't see Levy going anywhere near that valuation. He'll offer a straight swap or at a push might offer £5-10m on top.

I think the only teams he could therefore leave for are Bayern or Juventus (possibly Chelsea if they sort their situation out, particularly with Willian as a potential carrot).

 

[MikeKing]

I think Kane is the reason we haven't sold Martial to Spurs.

 

[Aurell]

A realistic situation which would suit all parties might be something like Alderweireld + £30m (or Rose) + 20% sell on fee in Martial's contract. That would give United a potential £35~m extra in a few years if he realises his potential and the likes of Madrid come calling (or if United are back in for him he's instantly 20% cheaper than what others have to pay).

However I can't see Levy going anywhere near that valuation. He'll offer a straight swap or at a push might offer £5-10m on top.

.

And this is supposed to be realistic...
65/70M for Martial ? This is actually Lemar's price ! Plus an add clause where you estimate he could go for more than 150M. Seriously ?

I'm pretty sure he has some potential but he is 23yo, not even international (behind Lemar, Coman, MBappé, Dembele, (Fekir)...) or a starter in his own club. His only "good thing" is like one season under VG and we're supposed to think that he is worth that much, more than Roma's Salah, Lucas Vasquez, Douglas Costa, Bernardo...

There might be a reason if the only clubs going after him are Juve and the desperated Bayern and if he didn't succeed to keep his place at MU given Sanchez's level. His place in the top 10 of LW is actually questionable and we don't know what will become Bailey or Pulisic. So why would the amount be so much higher than what MU's gave ? Why has he proven ?

On the other hand, there is no that much CM available and more experienced than Alder... Lenglet, Skriniar, Boateng (?)
So I guess 40 should be a good price

 

[finneh]

And this is supposed to be realistic...
65/70M for Martial ? This is actually Lemar's price ! Plus an add clause where you estimate he could go for more than 150M. Seriously ?

I'm pretty sure he has some potential but he is 23yo, not even international (behind Lemar, Coman, MBappé, Dembele, (Fekir)...) or a starter in his own club. His only "good thing" is like one season under VG and we're supposed to think that he is worth that much, more than Roma's Salah, Lucas Vasquez, Douglas Costa, Bernardo...

There might be a reason if the only clubs going after him are Juve and the desperated Bayern and if he didn't succeed to keep his place at MU given Sanchez's level. His place in the top 10 of LW is actually questionable and we don't know what will become Bailey or Pulisic. So why would the amount be so much higher than what MU's gave ? Why has he proven ?

On the other hand, there is no that much CM available and more experienced than Alder... Lenglet, Skriniar, Boateng (?)
So I guess 40 should be a good price

I guess is depends which attackers you deem the most proven. I personally believe if we're talking about bringing a player into the Premier League then the likes of Lemar, Fekir, Coman, Costa etc are far less proven than Martial.

If Spurs value Alderweireld so highly despite the fact that he's done the square root of sod all outside of the PL, then they would have to value Martial's PL experience equally as highly.

If I were a Spurs fan I'd be thinking he's literally the best attacking option my team could get this Summer and he is young and has PL experience to boot. Everything after that becomes irrelevant; I'd certainly be thinking that getting rid of two unhappy players in Alderweireld and Rose for one potentially great attacker would be a positive opening gambit, without spending any of your budget; I'd see a 20% sell on clause as not a real problem either - if he goes for £150m you'll still get £120m... If he stays for 10 years then the clause is worthless.

 

[Random Task]

I think Kane is the reason we haven't sold Martial to Spurs.

When was the last time United sold a player to a domestic rival who was not surplus to requirements? Spurs have absolutely no chance of signing Martial.

 

[MikeKing]

When was the last time United sold a player to a domestic rival who was not surplus to requirements? Spurs have absolutely no chance of signing Martial.

That's what I'm saying. If they are interested in such a player they will need to play the game to get him, which they wont. Either pay up big money, which they wont. Or let us sign a player we are interested in to sweetening the deal, which historically would be their best player, which is Kane. They won't entertain either of these options, so why even try. They are about as "interested" in signing Martial as we are in signing Neymar or Messi.

 

[Aurell]

I guess is depends which you get attackers you deem the most proven. I personally believe if we're talking about bringing a player into the Premier League then the likes of Lemar, Fekir, Coman, Costa etc are far less proven than Martial.

If Spurs value Alderweireld so highly despite the fact that he's done the square root of sod all outside of the PL, then they would have to value Martial's PL experiende equally as highly.

If I were a Spurs fan I'd be thinking he's literally the best attacking option my team could get this Summer and he is young and has PL experience to boot. Everything after that becomes irrelevant;

Well personally, I think an experimented PL player is actually is player who proved in the league like Zaha, Giroud, Alderweireld who succeeded in Southampton and Tottenham, someone who could bring directly something to the team, not someone you need to improve, adjust his game and develop his talents. So Martial is not really one of them just like Iwobi, maybe Rahford, Lucas when he was at PSG or Weigl: he has games behind him, ok, but not a successful experience. So I disagree a little when you say Martial and Alder's experience should be value equally.

However I'm not sure about the importance of Pl experience. The leagues's difference is reducing so a good player in another league has good chances to succeed if he doesn't have some inconvenient physics or talents. It's the case for Sané, Salah, KDB, Payet, Aubameyang, Jesus, Hazard... even Bernardo is good. So Im not sure he is a better deal even with a Pl's view just because he plays in PL. Besides Fekir they all won a league and played a CL semis or international games being very good. It would be like saying Shaqiri is a better deal than Fekir, or Alli than Griezmann...

And I think you lie to yourself when you say that Martial's status or the conccurence for the player is irrelevant. Watching Golovin's game today, I'm pretty sure WC is going to be a good thing for CSKA.
Anyway I guess all that was just rationality, but the final matter is how crucial is he for Spurs's board ?

 

[finneh]

Well personally, I think an experimented PL player is actually is player who proved in the league like Zaha, Giroud, Alderweireld who succeeded in Southampton and Tottenham, someone who could bring directly something to the team, not someone you need to improve, adjust his game and develop his talents. So Martial is not really one of them like just like Iwobi, maybe Rahford, Lucas when he was at PSG or Weigl: he has games behind him, ok, but not a successful experience. So I disagree a little when you say Martial and Alder's experience should be value equally.

However I'm not sure about the importance of Pl experience. The leagues's difference is reducing so a good player in another league has good chances to succeed if he doesn't have some inconvenient physics or talents. It's the case for Sané, Salah, KDB, Payet, Aubameyang, Jesus, Hazard... even Bernardo is good. So Im not sure he is a better deal even with a Pl's view just because he plays in PL. Besides Fekir they all won a league and played a CL semis or international games being very good. It would be like saying Shaqiri is a better deal than Fekir, or Alli than Griezmann...

And I think you lie to yoursellf when you that Martial's status or conccurence for the player is irrelevant. Watching Golovin's game today, I'm pretty sure WC is going to be a good for CSKA.
Anyway I guess all that was just rationality, but the final matter is how crucial is he for Spurs's board ?

Again I think the fact is: who's a better attacker in the current market that would be willing to sign for Spurs? I can't see a single one. He is on a somewhat low wage, fits the Spurs profile of being young and with a sell on value if he chooses to leave down the line. Add in a season and a half of really good PL performances...

Whatever Spurs have to spend on a single player this year, there wouldn't be a player who in my opinion they'd spend more on (and anyone they would consider would be out or their wage bracket).

As I said though: it'll never happen. Levy would probably value Rose/Alderweireld nonsensically at around £100m combined and would probably value Martial at £55m. Conversely United would value Rose/Alderweireld at maybe £70m and Martial at maybe £75m (with the latters age and potential up side causing a sell on clause to be reasonable).

Oh and if you think having a few good performances for Crystal Palace outweighs performing under the pressure of playing in front of 75,000 fans in cup finals and other decisive games I'd compeltrly disagree (the Iwobi/Lucas comment is patently nonsense and implies you've never watched Martial).

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

That's what I'm saying. If they are interested in such a player they will need to play the game to get him, which they wont. Either pay up big money, which they wont. Or let us sign a player we are interested in to sweetening the deal, which historically would be their best player, which is Kane. They won't entertain either of these options, so why even try. They are about as "interested" in signing Martial as we are in signing Neymar or Messi.

Problem with this fantasy is Kane clearly doesn’t want to leave Tottenham at this momment in time.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

That's what I'm saying. If they are interested in such a player they will need to play the game to get him, which they wont. Either pay up big money, which they wont. Or let us sign a player we are interested in to sweetening the deal, which historically would be their best player, which is Kane. They won't entertain either of these options, so why even try. They are about as "interested" in signing Martial as we are in signing Neymar or Messi.

Kane just signed a new 6 year contract, there is no way he is leaving Spurs any time soon.

But they do have a player we supposedly want in Alderweireld. If they come to the table for that deal then maybe Martial can be discussed. But Spurs are having a laugh if they think Alderweireld is worth 70mil, in that case Martial is worth 75mil. 40-45 tops for Alderweireld, Martial, about the same, 45mil.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Kane just signed a new 6 year contract, there is no way he is leaving Spurs any time soon.

But they do have a player we supposedly want in Alderweireld. If they come to the table for that deal then maybe Martial can be discussed. But Spurs are having a laugh if they think Alderweireld is worth 70mil, in that case Martial is worth 75mil. 40-45 tops for Alderweireld, Martial, about the same, 45mil.

I think Levy is saying £70m if United aren’t going to discuss Martial. I’d say if United paid £40-45M for Toby, Levy could stretch to £70-75 for Martial. I don’t think it would go through as a *swap deal* it would be 2 separate transfers. Everyone would get what they want at a reasonable fee. I think from all the media stories etc this has a real possibility of something happening. I don’t see Juve or Munich paying £70 plus for him.

 

[Random Task]

I think Levy is saying £70m if United aren’t going to discuss Martial. I’d say if United paid £40-45M for Toby, Levy could stretch to £70-75 for Martial. I don’t think it would go through as a *swap deal* it would be 2 separate transfers. Everyone would get what they want at a reasonable fee. I think from all the media stories etc this has a real possibility of something happening. I don’t see Juve or Munich paying £70 plus for him.

£70 million for a central defender on the eve of his 30th birthday isn't even remotely plausible. No one in their right mind will pay so far over the odds, not even Woody. Wonder how Toby feels about this situation, is he willing to remain at Spurs because the chairmen of his current club refuse to negotiate sensibly? I doubt it.

Also, £25-30 million for Martial in the current climate is way under. Try doubling that figure.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

£70 million for a central defender on the eve of his 30th birthday isn't even remotely plausible. No one in their right mind will pay so far over the odds, not even Woody. Wonder how Toby feels about this situation, is he willing to remain at Spurs because the chairmen of his current club refuse to negotiate sensibly? I doubt it.

Also, £25-30 million for Martial in the current climate is way under. Try doubling that figure.

Of course £70m is but why should Levy deal when Woody is unwilling to, that’s my point. I think Martial has been more open about wanting out than Toby has. As for Toby is feeling, he has said he would be open to staying at Spurs, has Martial? Who has mentioned anything about £30m for Martial? He is at least double that.

 

[Random Task]

Of course £70m is but why should Levy deal when Woody is unwilling to, that’s my point. I think Martial has been more open about wanting out than Toby has. As for Toby is feeling, he has said he would be open to staying at Spurs, has Martial? Who has mentioned anything about £30m for Martial? He is at least double that.

Were you not proposing a part-ex deal with the following statement?

I’d say if United paid £40-45M for Toby, Levy could stretch to £70-75 for Martial.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Again I think the fact is: who's a better attacker in the current market that would be willing to sign for Spurs? I can't see a single one. He is on a somewhat low wage, fits the Spurs profile of being young and with a sell on value if he chooses to leave down the line. Add in a season and a half of really good PL performances...

Whatever Spurs have to spend on a single player this year, there wouldn't be a player who in my opinion they'd spend more on (and anyone they would consider would be out or their wage bracket).

As I said though: it'll never happen. Levy would probably value Rose/Alderweireld nonsensically at around £100m combined and would probably value Martial at £55m. Conversely United would value Rose/Alderweireld at maybe £70m and Martial at maybe £75m (with the latters age and potential up side causing a sell on clause to be reasonable).

Oh and if you think having a few good performances for Crystal Palace outweighs performing under the pressure of playing in front of 75,000 fans in cup finals and other decisive games I'd compeltrly disagree (the Iwobi/Lucas comment is patently nonsense and implies you've never watched Martial).

Valuing Alderweireld and Rose at £100m combined is not nonsensical (even assuming that Poch is looking to sell Rose, which I personally doubt) - we're talking about one of the best CBs and LBs in the Prem. United won't sign two better players in those positions for less: IMO in terms of alternatives you'd be more likely to end up with inferior players in those positions and pay more.

Levy won't entertain any sell-on clause for Martial - he simply doesn't do those kind of arrangements when it comes to the bigger deals for incoming players.

I think we're more interested in spending big if we need to on a CM. So IMO the only chance for a deal with Martial is in exchange for Alderweireld + cash (maybe £15m tops) and no sell-on clause.

I doubt Martial is a top priority for Spurs, since we already have Son, Moura, Eriksen and Alli. So if United won't deal on the above terms then they'll likely be no deal for Martial.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Were you not proposing a part-ex deal with the following statement?

Yeah but that’s not saying we pay £30m for Martial, you would get Toby. It would be separate deals, part exchanges don’t look good in accounting terms, shareholders like exact figures.

 

[Random Task]

Valuing Alderweireld and Rose at £100m combined is not nonsensical (even assuming that Poch is looking to sell Rose, which I personally doubt) - we're talking about one of the best CBs and LBs in the Prem. United won't sign two better players in those positions for less: IMO in terms of alternatives you'd be more likely to end up with inferior players in those positions and pay more.

Levy won't entertain any sell-on clause for Martial - he simply doesn't do those kind of arrangements when it comes to the bigger deals for incoming players.

I think we're more interested in spending big if we need to on a CM. So IMO the only chance for a deal with Martial is in exchange for Alderweireld + cash (maybe £15m tops) and no sell-on clause.

I doubt Martial is a top priority for Spurs, since we already have Son, Moura, Eriksen and Alli. So if United won't deal on the above terms then they'll likely be no deal for Martial.

Martial is worth practically double that of Alderweireld in todays market. Levy is a shrewd businessman but not even he could pull off Alderweireld + £15 million for Martial, it would be at least £30 million.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Martial is worth practically double that of Alderweireld in todays market. Levy is a shrewd businessman but not even he could pull off Alderweireld + £15 million for Martial, it would be at least £30 million.

I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Martial is worth practically double that of Alderweireld in todays market. Levy is a shrewd businessman but not even he could pull off Alderweireld + £15 million for Martial, it would be at least £30 million.

He really isn't … there is some wild over-valuation of Martial going on amongst some United fans.

You've spent around £50m on him so far I gather (in terms of transfer fee), but he's stagnated: a bit-part player for United and dropped from the French WC squad. So to expect some big profit for him beyond £50m for him is just not realistic. No club is going offer that, even despite his having youth on his side.

Mourinho doesn't especially want Martial it seems, but he does want Toby ... so Toby + £15m be would a reasonable exchange for Martial and a reasonable deal for United.

 

[GlastonSpur]

I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all.

I would. For me Toby + £15m is the most I'd like to see Levy offer.

It's easy to talk about an extra £15m (Toby + £30m) as if it's little. But it's actually around double the cost of meeting Toby's higher wage demands (compared to what we're offering in a new contract) for the next 3 years. OK, this ignores the effect of knock-on wage demands across the whole squad, but it's one illustration.

So wouldn't you prefer to have Toby stay on a new contract, plus have more money left in the transfer kitty, than have Martial sign for Spurs? I know I would.

With Martial it's not as if we'd be buying a ready-made first XI player - who is he going to walk in and replace at Spurs?

IMO we'd be buying someone who could potentially compete his way into our starting XI. But in the meantime he'd be squad cover/competition for the likes of Son.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

I would. For me Toby + £15m is the most I'd like to see Levy offer.

It's easy to talk about an extra £15m (Toby + £30m) as if it's little. But it's actually around double the cost of meeting Toby's higher wage demands (compared to what we're offering in a new contract) for the next 3 years. OK, this ignores the effect of knock-on wage demands across the whole squad, but it's one illustration.

So wouldn't you prefer to have Toby stay on a new contract, plus have more money left in the transfer kitty, than have Martial sign for Spurs? I know I would.

With Martial it's not as if we'd be buying a ready-made first XI player - who is he going to walk in and replace at Spurs?

IMO we'd be buying someone who could potentially compete his way into our starting XI. But in the meantime he'd be squad cover/competition for the likes of Son.

I think we differ on Martial’s ability. I honestly think he has everything to be a Worldy, I like Son a lot but he will never be in that world class braket, he is a form player. There was a spell Martial had the season past where he was one of the most productive players in the league only to be benched again by Jose when Sanchez signed. IMO Poch will lift Martial again. I don’t see a player in the world that we have a possibility of getting that Martial could possibly give us, in the attacking positions.

 

[charlenefan]

He really isn't … there is some wild over-valuation of Martial going on amongst some United fans.

You've spent around £50m on him so far I gather (in terms of transfer fee), but he's stagnated: a bit-part player for United and dropped from the French WC squad. So to expect some big profit for him beyond £50m for him is just not realistic. No club is going offer that, even despite his having youth on his side.

Mourinho doesn't especially want Martial it seems, but he does want Toby ... so Toby + £15m be would a reasonable exchange for Martial and a reasonable deal for United.

It's not wild over valuation at all, it's just the price that Levy would have to pay, anyone else can have him for half of the price. It's a situation you should relate to tbh because the stick Spurs get on this forum is only as harsh as it is because of you, any other Spurs fan gets an easy ride

That's the price Levy/you pay though for being like you are

 

[James Peril]

The market has moved since we acquired Martial, you see players moving for risiculous amounts. Martial has shown his exceptional talent and eye for a goal/assist, it’s undeniable even though he isn’t getting a start all the time. But why is that? Mourinho, of course. The guy is 22 and is worth a fortune in today’s market - forget about last season. At the very least, wait until January before putting him on the market.

Spurs? Forget about it, his future is bigger than fecking Spurs. Furthermore, they already have a very good player in Son and he plays on the left - why would he want competition like that? Mourinho should play Martial on the left and Sanchez in the middle, or as a forward when Lukaku goes on one of his lazy, goalless spells.

 

[GlastonSpur]

It's not wild over valuation at all, it's just the price that Levy would have to pay, anyone else can have him for half of the price. …

Righty-ho. You'd best crack on then and tell the United board about their two options:

1) Force an unhappy, bit-part player to stay and then have to sell him for peanuts next summer with 1 year left on his contract (if now extended).

2) Make a loss on what you've paid for him by selling to anyone but Spurs.

I'm sure they'll be so pleased with your business acumen that a seat at the table will be offered immediately.

 

[GlastonSpur]

The market has moved since we acquired Martial, you see players moving for risiculous amounts. Martial has shown his exceptional talent and eye for a goal/assist, it’s undeniable even though he isn’t getting a start all the time. But why is that? Mourinho, of course. The guy is 22 and is worth a fortune in today’s market - forget about last season. At the very least, wait until January before putting him on the market.

Spurs? Forget about it, his future is bigger than fecking Spurs. Furthermore, they already have a very good player in Son and he plays on the left - why would he want competition like that? Mourinho should play Martial on the left and Sanchez in the middle, or as a forward when Lukaku goes on one of his lazy, goalless spells.

His future is bigger than Spurs, yet he wouldn't want the competition of trying to get past Son into our first XI? I see …

 

[charlenefan]

Righty-ho. You'd best crack on then and tell the United board about their two options:

1) Force an unhappy, bit-part player to stay and then have to sell him for peanuts next summer with 1 year left on his contract (if now extended).

2) Make a loss on what you've paid for him by selling to anyone but Spurs.

I'm sure they'll be so pleased with your business acumen that a seat at the table will be offered immediately.

1- why would we be selling him for peanuts next summer? Arsenal sold us RVP for 25m when he had a year left on his contract. We did a 30m player swap with the same club when their player only had months left on his contract last January. Worst case is we sell Martial for 30m next summer which wouldn't be a huge loss on what we paid out what would be then 4 years ago

2- How would we be making a loss if we sold him this year? Fact is Spurs want him the price to them would be 120m, anyone else anything between 60-80m meaning making a profit

 

[GlastonSpur]

1- why would we be selling him for peanuts next summer? Arsenal sold us RVP for 25m when he had a year left on his contract. We did a 30m player swap with the same club when their player only had months left on his contract last January. Worst case is we sell Martial for 30m next summer which wouldn't be a huge loss on what we paid out what would be then 4 years ago

2- How would we be making a loss if we sold him this year? Fact is Spurs want him the price to them would be 120m, anyone else anything between 60-80m meaning making a profit

No one is going to offer £80m for Martial this summer - absolutely no-one. So your option 2) is not looking too bright.

And option 1), might involve a £20m loss (seeing as you've shelled out £50m on him already) according to you. So that's not looking too appealing either.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

80mil, tbh Man City would pay that if they wanted him, Pep throws money around like confetti. No one else will pay close to that in the PL however.

 

[charlenefan]

No one is going to offer £80m for Martial this summer - absolutely no-one. So your option 2) is not looking too bright.

And option 1), might involve a £20m loss (seeing as you've shelled out £50m on him already) according to you. So that's not looking too appealing either.

You know what else isn't happening then? Anyone offering 75m for Alderweireld and this is the point, the shoe is now on well and truly on the other foot. Spurs now think they're now big enough to shop at the big boys table and Levy is going to find out the hard way the consequences for the way he's conducted himself in years gone by, because no one at the big boys table is going roll over for him and give him cut price deals, they're all going to take Spurs to the cleaners just as Levy has done to others.

Bottom line Spurs want Martial? Then it's going to cost them and if Levy doesn't cough up then you're not getting him. Simple.

 

[GlastonSpur]

You know what else isn't happening then? Anyone offering 75m for Alderweireld and this is the point, the shoe is now on well and truly on the other foot. Spurs now think they're now big enough to shop at the big boys table and Levy is going to find out the hard way the consequences for the way he's conducted himself in years gone by, because no one at the big boys table is going roll over for him and give him cut price deals, they're all going to take Spurs to the cleaners just as Levy has done to others.

Bottom line Spurs want Martial? Then it's going to cost them and if Levy doesn't cough up then you're not getting him. Simple.

The actual bottom line is that Martial is not a priority for Spurs and so if a deal involving Toby and a relatively small amount of cash (£15m tops in my view) can't be arranged then they'll likely be no deal.

I'd be fine with no deal, though I don't think Mourinho will be. But perhaps the United board will ride rough-shod over his wishes, forcing an unhappy, part-time player to stay in his squad and depriving him of a top-notch CB.

 

[Aurell]

Again I think the fact is: who's a better attacker in the current market that would be willing to sign for Spurs? I can't see a single one.

Whatever Spurs have to spend on a single player this year, there wouldn't be a player who in my opinion they'd spend more on (and anyone they would consider would be out or their wage bracket).

Oh and if you think having a few good performances for Crystal Palace outweighs performing under the pressure of playing in front of 75,000 fans in cup finals and other decisive games I'd compeltrly disagree (the Iwobi/Lucas comment is patently nonsense and implies you've never watched Martial).

You just don't want to understand the difference between talent and experience.

You chose to talk about PL experience to raise Martial. I pointed the fact that he wasn't that "PL experienced" with the example of Zaha who played all his career in England (around 300games) is an end product, significant starter for his team... but now you say it's irrelevant because he didn't play the right games, talking about pressure. As if there is no pressure playing every game to survive in the league. Sissoko: 5 years in England: no experience... ok fine.

Then you criticize Iwobi and Lucas talking about their level while I was comparing their background. Given their minutes on the field, Iwobi actually plays more this year than Martial but it's quite the same. And they both are players to improve. So i don't get why the parallel is so stupid. Oh maybe his potential...

And yes I do watch him since Monaco actually and with France (less now). It become more difficult to do so as he doesn't really play MU's last big games but he wasn't that bad the 20 Minutes he had against Chelsea at Wembley.

Anyway I would maybe say Guedes. He is in fact cheaper, more polyvalent, international, knows CL, and they are friends with PSG. He isn't that worse than Martial. But Martial would be good for Spurs too even if I think a winger isn't the most important

 

[charlenefan]

The actual bottom line is that Martial is not a priority for Spurs and so if a deal involving Toby and a relatively small amount of cash (£15m tops in my view) can't be arranged then they'll likely be no deal.

I'd be fine with no deal, though I don't think Mourinho will be. But perhaps the United board will ride rough-shod over his wishes, forcing an unhappy, part-time player to stay in his squad and depriving him of a top-notch CB.

Don't worry about us, plenty of younger CB's out there we can buy

Spurs on the other hand, many talents out there like Martial potentially available? Nope. Guess you'll be shopping in the bargain basement as per usual then

 

[finneh]

Valuing Alderweireld and Rose at £100m combined is not nonsensical (even assuming that Poch is looking to sell Rose, which I personally doubt) - we're talking about one of the best CBs and LBs in the Prem. United won't sign two better players in those positions for less: IMO in terms of alternatives you'd be more likely to end up with inferior players in those positions and pay more.

Levy won't entertain any sell-on clause for Martial - he simply doesn't do those kind of arrangements when it comes to the bigger deals for incoming players.

I think we're more interested in spending big if we need to on a CM. So IMO the only chance for a deal with Martial is in exchange for Alderweireld + cash (maybe £15m tops) and no sell-on clause.

I doubt Martial is a top priority for Spurs, since we already have Son, Moura, Eriksen and Alli. So if United won't deal on the above terms then they'll likely be no deal for Martial.

Point proven. You might actually be Levy!

 

[charlenefan]

Point proven. You might actually be Levy!

Previous years he may have had a point in thinking Spurs held all the aces but not on this one, Spurs aren't going to find another talent like Martial potentially for sale, us on the other hand there's countless other CB's and countless much better LB's that we certainly don't have to deal with Spurs

 

[caid]

Cant see Martial to spurs happening. I just think the club would be really reluctant to even consider selling him to a PL team, it'd require a pretty huge bid to tempt them. And didn't Spurs offer 15m or something crazy last summer? It'd just be really, really uncharacteristic for Spurs to make an offer that wouldn't be dismissed immediately. I think theres a good chance he'll wind up at Bayern or Juve. I'd be really surprised if he was playing for another PL team next season.

 

[MikeKing]

Problem with this fantasy is Kane clearly doesn’t want to leave Tottenham at this momment in time.

Im sure he wouldn't have a big problem with that tbh, if Spurs wanted Martial instead. As for fantasy, i think you guys entertaining a transfer for Martial yourselves is just along the same lines. If Levy doesn't want to deal with us for Kane, why should we deal with you over Martial? Because we are so desperate for Alderweireld that you will get Martial for a bargain price.. i know.. well, no! Sorry to burst your bubble but its just silly

 

[finneh]

Previous years he may have had a point in thinking Spurs held all the aces but not on this one, Spurs aren't going to find another talent like Martial potentially for sale, us on the other hand there's countless other CB's and countless much better LB's that we certainly don't have to deal with Spurs

Absolutely. Spurs have two players who Pochettino isn't going to count on next season. He also has a somewhat tiny transfer fund and maybe four players he needs to sign with said fund.

One of those signings is an attacker who makes the difference since Alli, Erikson and Kane shoulder all or the creative burden in their squad. Son will chip in no and again and Lamela works hard but fundamentally they need a creative spark from the wing.

What Levy and all his disciples dont understand is that these kind of players are becoming more and more an ungettable commodity. You don't generally get an Alli, Kane and Erikson for £25m. Of course that can be the spine of a team but to then add to it you have to go for more than a gamble.

Rose is a decent but not first choice full back whose currently behind Young in the pecking order. £30m. Alderweireld is a great but aging CB with contract concerns. £40m. Martial is ahead of the Fekir, Lemar etc category of talents who're all going for £65m+.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Previous years he may have had a point in thinking Spurs held all the aces but not on this one, Spurs aren't going to find another talent like Martial potentially for sale, us on the other hand there's countless other CB's and countless much better LB's that we certainly don't have to deal with Spurs

Why not? We've done it before. You seem to have this notion that Martial is world-class, when actually he isn't. He's simply a talented youngster, with the potential to become much better given the right coaching, and is only one of many talented youngsters out there. You also seem to think that he's in hot demand - well, he isn't, at least not for absurd price that you think he'd sell for.

As for "countless other CB's and countless much better LB's", I can only laugh really and wish you good luck with it all.