They're still "only" on 69 points though and have two away fixtures left out of their three. I can see them ending up on 72-73 points which is not much of an improvement (points wise) from what they got under AVB or Redknapp, just to put things into perspective. Will be interesting to see who they go after in the summer because they will need to make smart additions to their squad to mount a title challenge next year as that is what their aim should be. Good thing for them is that it doesn't look like any of their key players is looking to leave this summer so they can build on the good thing they have already got going instead of having to accommodate for the loss of key players that they have had to do previously.
The Spurs thread
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
im loving the banter
You'd still be dreaming.
I like to see the negative stuff, it shows that we are getting under people's skin and that they are worried about what we might do.
I think we will keep everybody that we want to keep this Summer and add 2 or 3 players to give us more quality depth, I think the areas that we need are quite obvious. Will we be good enough to get 72+ points next season? I believe we will be and if so then history shows us that we will be right in the mix for top 4 again.
As for the others I think it's to our advantage that most of the likely top 4 and above contenders need 5/6 players. If you look at City, Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool all of them need at least 1 high quality CB, some of them 2, I just don't see enough of them out there to go around, some of them will have to compromise on quality. I believe all of them need at least 1 quality CM player, so same scenario, Apart from maybe City and Liverpool the same can be said of forwards and wide forwards as well. Then these teams are going to have to gel and in some cases get used to a new managers systems and methods. Some of them will pull it off and have much improved seasons, to knock us out of the top 4 probably 4 of them will have to do it, that's quite a tall order.
Our big problem over the next 2 years now is the disruption we face over playing home games, we are going to have to be able to deal with this.
Regarding Utd, I was saying in a thread about 2 weeks ago after the Spurs game that you are better placed now than at any time since Sir Alex left. Some really exciting young players coming through and I see a lot of reasons for Utd fans to be very optimistic. Regardless of who is the manager next season I don't expect them to be winning the league I think there is too much to do in one year for that but we'll see. A top 4 finish this season would help and I hope you do it preferably at the expense of Arsenal, but City would be fine (you can still catch us).
Back to us we just need to pick up the 4 points we need now to finish 2nd, will be a huge step in the right direction and great to be playing CL next season.
I never understand why you come on a United board and make such absurd statements.
Your banter is like watching a Yorkshire Terrier on a leash barking at a muzzled pitbull.
Absolutely nobody here cares enough about Spurs to be sour about them. In fact, a number of people here wanted them to do well until you rocked up.
Finishing ahead of us a couple of times in an eon, whilst winning nothing, is not grounds for all the chest-thumping you do on here.
Not in prime position? They would have gone top with the same number of games played as Leicester, but produced one of their worst halves of football all season at West Ham. Including that game they've taken 15 points from the last 8. When the pressure was on they couldn't produce their best.
They were also knocked out of the FA Cup and Europa League in pretty quick fashion, albeit it wasn't quite as spectacular as an Arsenal collapse.
He's saying that football isn't linear, that you can't say thing like "we did well this season and our squad is young so obviously we'll do even better next season". Getting to the top is the easy part, staying there is much harder. Teams will treat you differently, your own team will be under much more pressure, some players will probably get approached by other clubs, some players might not be able to replicate this season's form and then there is the CL. Young squads are often naive when qualifying for the CL, because they lack the routine in dealing with it, they tend to drop points where they shouldn't before and/or after CL matches, because they are distracted by the bigger stage and of course in the competition itself we've often seen teams not performing up to their usual standard because they have too much respect, lack composure and aren't used to the different football culture.
And that's not even factoring in that with United, City and Chelsea there are two to three clubs with a lot more ressources who are trying very hard to improve, as well as Klopp's Liverpool.
No. It is actual gibberish.
Exactly this
I don't think we deserve anything either, it's just an observation that title winning team should win this game 10 times out of 10.
Errr...you remember the score when Leicester played them, right?
That was almost two months ago tbf.
Until week 17, spurs were behind united. We imploded, but it is the height of exegeration to say we are miles behind them.
Bet they're screwing. Sad thing is, Levy won't match the spending that is needed to keep them up there I think. You know United, City, Chelsea; heck, even Arsenal! will probably outspend them. I can't see them challenging for the league next year. I think consolidation of top 4 should be the goal, if you don't spend all that much. If Spurs can build a base to compete on all 4 fronts successfully every year, Poch would of done an incredible job.
from a neutral perspective i regret Supurs didn't win yesterday. It would have been more entertaining to watch Foxes and Spurs go to the wire.
Mourinho has won 95, 91, 83 and 87 points in his completed seasons in the Premier league. Spurs only have 69 at the moment. They'll probably finish on about 75.
United under Mourinho won't be miles behind Spurs at all. Tottenham are having a decent season in what is currently a shit league. Credit to them for what they've achieved, but they'd struggle to make top 4 any other year.
United under Mourinho won't be miles behind Spurs at all. Tottenham are having a decent season in what is currently a shit league. Credit to them for what they've achieved, but they'd struggle to make top 4 any other year.
Nah. It will be between United, City and possibly Chelsea. I doubt that Leicester can do anything similar to this year, while Spurs and Arsenal have a strong allergy on trophies.Yeah, potentially five or so teams being touted as possible winners next season...and the likely champions aren't one of them.
All talks. The moment Zidane loses two games in a row, Pochetino will be running to join Madrid.
Shh, don't let the Spurs fans hear you say that.
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Sad to see you go out with such a gutless performance, but you looked absolutely drained. It´s been a great season this year with you and Leicester battling it out but one had to win it. But I feel next season will be back to it old self with City,Chelsea and maybe United going for it. Hopefully Levy keeps the big continental clubs at bay to keep this group together, adding the extra CL matches to it will need major spending on both Leicester and Spurs behalf to cope. But I surely hope this will be a tight race next year..
Good old Glaston... Thanks for the info you guys are the experts in EL so we take note
.Sad to see you go out with such a gutless performance, but you looked absolutely drained. It´s been a great season this year with you and Leicester battling it out but one had to win it. But I feel next season will be back to it old self with City,Chelsea and maybe United going for it. Hopefully Levy keeps the big continental clubs at bay to keep this group together, adding the extra CL matches to it will need major spending on both Leicester and Spurs behalf to cope. But I surely hope this will be a tight race next year..
But the thing is, he's being bullish day after his team virtually lost a chance to win the first title in what, 50 years, by mentioning that United will not make Champions League when in fact there are still 3 games to go (4 for United) and we'll be only 2 points behind City and Arsenal if we win our game in hand plus they still have to play each other, City also have to travel to Swansea and Southampton which won't be a walk either. I don't think we will make top 4 but he may want to wait another 3 weeks to see if we indeed do not make CL because it certainly does not look impossible at the moment and it'd make him look like a monumental cretin again.
Yeah, the points totals get ignored a bit too much because how bad the elite teams were with no one really having an elite manager other than Chelsea and their collapse this season happened for so many different reasons that it's difficult to draw conclusions from it.
It's not just Mourinho who often raised the points total of his teams in a crazy way in the past, when he took over struggling teams. Guardiola took over a Barca team that finished on 67 points and had them play consistently great and finish on 87 points the following season. Conte took over a struggling Juve side that finished on 58 points and had them finishing on 84 points the next season. Klopp took a bit longer, but he also started at a team fighting relegation. They finished on 40 points before he joined, on 59 points in his first season and then he turned Dortmund into a consistent team that set a new Bundesliga record for points in their 2nd title winning season finishing on 81 points. Top managers can have a significant impact on teams, especially in struggling top teams with the ressources to do so much better.
Spurs finished on 72 points in 12/13, on 69 points in 13/14. Poch took over and had them on 64 points in his first season when Chelsea easily ran to a 87 points finish. Obviously Spurs have done brilliantly this season, but it's not like they're playing a season that would be good enough to challenge Chelsea, City, United at their best in the past 10 years. And that's the level you expect the top teams to return to soon enough just like Mourinho had no problem doing it at Chelsea last season.
Spurs need to step it up next season if they want to challenge for the league. They have a young exciting team and they might actually do it, but despite all the massive problems at the big English clubs, it wouldn't be surprising to see at least 1 or 2 of Guardiola, Conte, Klopp and Mourinho (if he takes over at United) to get it right and their teams to show a crazy upswing in points collected, pushing the points necessary to win the league again close to 90 or even beyond that. It's what these managers have done before more often than not in their careers.
If this had come off in the Summer...
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...pen-talks-with-monaco-to-sign-anthony-martial
"Tottenham have opened talks with Monaco to sign their young striker Anthony Martial, Sky sources understand."
Do you think Spurs would have won the league and not Leicester?
(To think they were close to having Alli, Martial and Kane as their attacking trio.. Ouch!)
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...pen-talks-with-monaco-to-sign-anthony-martial
"Tottenham have opened talks with Monaco to sign their young striker Anthony Martial, Sky sources understand."
Do you think Spurs would have won the league and not Leicester?
(To think they were close to having Alli, Martial and Kane as their attacking trio.. Ouch!)
If United finish top 4 and win the FA Cup, we'll have had a better season than Spurs.
Spurs looked a bit nervy and sluggish last night, I wonder if - even subconsciously - they saw Leicester on Sunday and thought "this lot aren't stopping, we're not going to catch them", but regardless of Sunday's result at OT i think Spurs will slip up at Chelsea on Monday anyway. I think all neutrals want Leicester to win it, i do, but just not at OT. Spurs, though i think are only going to improve, but I think Leicester will struggle to replicate this season's form next year, although Leicester fans will be delighted obviously with a Title and a crack at the Champions League, even if they finish mid-table next season they will have massively over-achieved this season.
Even if United win on Sunday and Spurs win at Chelsea, it will still need Leicester to lose both their last two games and Spurs to win theirs. I do think though, realistically at the start of the season, Spurs fans wouldn't have expected to finish 2nd, but they can also wonder what might have been if Leicester hadn't sprung from nowhere and with United, Chelsea, Arsenal and City all below par it really has been a strange season in the PL.
Even if United win on Sunday and Spurs win at Chelsea, it will still need Leicester to lose both their last two games and Spurs to win theirs. I do think though, realistically at the start of the season, Spurs fans wouldn't have expected to finish 2nd, but they can also wonder what might have been if Leicester hadn't sprung from nowhere and with United, Chelsea, Arsenal and City all below par it really has been a strange season in the PL.
Spurs 11/12: 1.82 PPG
Spurs 12/13: 1.89 PPG
Spurs 13/14: 1.82 PPG
Spurs 14/15: 1.68 PPG
Spurs 15/16: 1.97 PPG
Spurs have improved this season but lets not pretend they've been phenomenal. Against a backdrop of a much, much weaker top 6 than ever they've amassed a points total that's a bit above their average over the last 5 years (admittedly it's also against a stronger mid table than ever before).
Truth be told the media are waxing lyrical about their current side, but I don't see much difference between their side now and their side 5 years ago. They now have Kane/Alli/Erikson/Alderweireld, whereas before they had Bale/Modric/VDV/Gallas.
Their real task starts now to be honest; everyone around them in going to strengthen in terms of management and playing staff and with the new Premier League TV deal we'll start to see £250k a week contracts far more common place. Likewise with West Ham moving into the Olympic Stadium and Leicester having CL money in the bag they'll both be in the market for a few big name signings.
I'm sure Spurs fans would argue their business model isn't based on players that will be earning £250k or "big names" that will cost big money; however firstly the likes of Alli/Kane will be wanting to be remunerated at the market rate for their talent and secondly for every Alli there is going to be five or six Chiriches, Capoue, Soldado, Sigurdsson & Paulinho's. That's the risk you take when buying unknown/underground talents. A Spurs fan might say that Alli only cost £5m, which is strictly true. However that doesn't take into account the cost of transfer fee's and wages of the 5-6 failures that they bought before finding him. The same applies with Kane who cost nothing, but who wouldn't have even had a chance without the £26m Soldado and the £5-6m a season Adebayor flopping.
Spurs 12/13: 1.89 PPG
Spurs 13/14: 1.82 PPG
Spurs 14/15: 1.68 PPG
Spurs 15/16: 1.97 PPG
Spurs have improved this season but lets not pretend they've been phenomenal. Against a backdrop of a much, much weaker top 6 than ever they've amassed a points total that's a bit above their average over the last 5 years (admittedly it's also against a stronger mid table than ever before).
Truth be told the media are waxing lyrical about their current side, but I don't see much difference between their side now and their side 5 years ago. They now have Kane/Alli/Erikson/Alderweireld, whereas before they had Bale/Modric/VDV/Gallas.
Their real task starts now to be honest; everyone around them in going to strengthen in terms of management and playing staff and with the new Premier League TV deal we'll start to see £250k a week contracts far more common place. Likewise with West Ham moving into the Olympic Stadium and Leicester having CL money in the bag they'll both be in the market for a few big name signings.
I'm sure Spurs fans would argue their business model isn't based on players that will be earning £250k or "big names" that will cost big money; however firstly the likes of Alli/Kane will be wanting to be remunerated at the market rate for their talent and secondly for every Alli there is going to be five or six Chiriches, Capoue, Soldado, Sigurdsson & Paulinho's. That's the risk you take when buying unknown/underground talents. A Spurs fan might say that Alli only cost £5m, which is strictly true. However that doesn't take into account the cost of transfer fee's and wages of the 5-6 failures that they bought before finding him. The same applies with Kane who cost nothing, but who wouldn't have even had a chance without the £26m Soldado and the £5-6m a season Adebayor flopping.
I disagree with this part, as Swansea look like they've already packed up for summer holidays with their last few performances. I agree with the rest of it, looking at the league and form, 4th is actually quite possible. It would be hilarious if Arsenal went on to get 5th on top of Spurs bottling the league.
We could still potentially have a more successful season than them.
Brutal.
Will Ally get a ban?
That kid is really disgusting, he's been kicking people all season.
That kid is really disgusting, he's been kicking people all season.
Everton finished fifth with 72 points in Martinez's first season in charge (beat us 3-0 as well), and look at them now. Spurs could conceivably finish on the same points this season as well. They just aren't as good as the two Spurs fans on here are making them out to be.
This looks likely to be the 3rd time that Spurs have finished in the top 4 in the last 6 seasons, but the 2nd time in the last 3 years that Man. Utd have failed to do so. It's all about trends baby ....
I'd say calling Spurs "a nothing club" is pretty sour wouldn't you?
And if Spurs are supposedly a "nothing club", then it's a "nothing club" that's going to finish above United for the 2nd time in 3 years ... so I wonder what sort of club that makes Man. Utd these days?
A long way of saying 2011
We still have a decent chance of coming 4th ahead of City
Honestly, I think both City and Chelsea will struggle next year. Not Chelsea this season struggle, more like how Klopp has done with Liverpool. I.e. hot one week and cold the next. Dont think Guardiola or Conte will be prepared for just how tough picking up points is in the PL. They'll underestimate the strength of the mid pack.
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Good old Glaston... Thanks for the info you guys are the experts in EL so we take note
Sad to see you go out with such a gutless performance, but you looked absolutely drained. It´s been a great season this year with you and Leicester battling it out but one had to win it. But I feel next season will be back to it old self with City,Chelsea and maybe United going for it. Hopefully Levy keeps the big continental clubs at bay to keep this group together, adding the extra CL matches to it will need major spending on both Leicester and Spurs behalf to cope. But I surely hope this will be a tight race next year..
We've been playing in the EL this season, so being in the CL compared to the EL is actually less of a burden in terms of the total number of potential matches and often the travel distances involved. Spurs don't necessarily need to spend a lot this summer.
Why are you so weird? Taking 6 years for Spurs but 3 years for United because taking 6 for both or 3 for both will not work for your argument. Trend
hy not say that United have won their last 4 games while Spurs have failed to win 1 of the last 1 game. Now this is trend.
It's also the 2nd time you will be in the Champions League since it started and the 2nd time United might miss out (and as I said, it's far from given because if we win all our remaining games, we'll likely be in).
A big club that is rebuilding before it comes back to glory.
Out of the last 1 seasons it looks likely you will have finished below Leicester in all of them by the end of May. How does it feel for you to know that you are so shit that over the sample of 1 season you cannot finish ahead of Leicester in any of them?
I don't know much about Conte, but I doubt Guardiola ever underestimates teams. If anything, I think he sometimes overprepares and overcomplicates his tactics against weaker teams. He's meticulous in his work in a way I doubt any other manager is.
And he doesn't even have to improve City's consistency by a lot. City is only 5 points behind Spurs despite losing both games against Spurs and they've been crazy inconsistent, have thrown away pretty much all the big games in the league because the players didn't show any determination. In fact, City have walked over most midtable and bottom half of the table teams with ease this season even without being properly coached or motivated. City will be a different team next season. Not only will the starting XI look different, but the attitude of the players will be very different.
The funny thing is that Glaston actually uses these type of arguments.
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United are much better than Spurs because out of the last 1 game we have won once while Spurs have won 0 times.
Sssshhh Balu
don't scare us even more.