You are a nothing club though, what is there to shout about at Spurs even after this season? A place in a competition you'll do feck all in? United are going through one of our biggest transitions ever and look set to win a trophy this season, plus we still just might achieve all you've achieved in a top four spot on top of that. Spurs aren't feared, you'll be back in your box soon below the teams that actually mean business.
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You are a nothing club though, what is there to shout about at Spurs even after this season? A place in a competition you'll do feck all in? United are going through one of our biggest transitions ever and look set to win a trophy this season, plus we still just might achieve all you've achieved in a top four spot on top of that. Spurs aren't feared, you'll be back in your box soon below the teams that actually mean business.
FFS SarniWhy are you so weird? Taking 6 years for Spurs but 3 years for United because taking 6 for both or 3 for both will not work for your argument. Trend
I come into this thread just to read your banter with Glaston.
City will definitely not struggle next year. They will have a functioning midfield for the first time in years. Under the best coach in the world.
It's been a bizarre season in general. As even Ranieri implied; Leicester won't be challenging going forward so I don't know why Spurs believe they'll suddenly drastically improve.
I assume his definition of a nothing club is different to yours. I imagine it's something along the lines of any club whose trophy haul in the last 15 years is equal to or worse than the likes of Portsmouth, Birmingham, Wigan, Swansea, Blackburn and Middlesbrough.
Citeh's need on improving consistence. This season is a freak one. Big boys are all inconsistent. In another season, Citeh would need to improve the consistence big time or the leader being consistent would run away with the title.
Agree with the rest of your post that people underestimate Pep motivate skill. He's no LVG, Citeh has good core that with the right tactic and the change in attitude may take the league by storm for those being unprepared.
You forgot the 'finished ahead of the worst United in ages trophy' he is so ecstatic about.
Already is one
Very much doubt it. They are both very meticulous and will have done their homework
This was Spurs best shot at the title. They were competing with Leicester while City, United and Chelsea will finish on extra ordinarily low points tally. Next season you can count on at least one of them improving enough to pass 80 points mark and going forward I'd expect them to be considerably better than Spurs too.
It was fun while it lasted but I cannot see Spurs being in legitimate title race for a while still. They've been run well and it's been a good season but they should have really done better in the closing moments. Drawing at home to West Brom is hard to excuse.
Glaston might blabber about trend shift etc. but truth is we will likely finish around 5-7 points behind them after a genuinely dreadful season. At least when we were better than them it was usually by 20-30 points.
It was fun while it lasted but I cannot see Spurs being in legitimate title race for a while still. They've been run well and it's been a good season but they should have really done better in the closing moments. Drawing at home to West Brom is hard to excuse.
Glaston might blabber about trend shift etc. but truth is we will likely finish around 5-7 points behind them after a genuinely dreadful season. At least when we were better than them it was usually by 20-30 points.
Spurs are going nowhere. Next season, at least, they will challenge again.
Kane, Ali, Eriksen, Dier, Lamela and Onomah are under the age of 25 and will continue to get better. None of their starting XI are over 30.
Only Spurs can finish above Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal and still not win it. I'll bet anyone any money they won't be top 2 next year and Leicester wont be top 6. City and Chelsea will come steaming back, and so will Utd if JM rocks up
Made the comparison with Costa in another thread, but compare the Alli punch coverage to the coverage if Costa or say Suarez had done it. Costa would already be banned by now and all over press.
Point proven
Made the comparison with Costa in another thread, but compare the Alli punch coverage to the coverage if Costa or say Suarez had done it. Costa would already be banned by now and all over press.
Point proven
This Spurs team wouldn't be even challenging when title winners were finishing on 86/87 points. That's the standard it'll surely get back to when the biggest and richest clubs in England get back to their best, which could be as soon as next season with the likes of Pep and Mourinho coming into the league. The league has been piss this season, simple as that.
Yep, they might get around 75 points again next season. Will this be enough for title race? I doubt it.
Why is Onomah in there?
Utd under Mourinho with a enormous transfer budget will finish above Spurs. He will just make a winning machine, not pretty on the eye but winners To say Spurs will do well again cause they did so well this year, is utter utter nonsense
Talented young player. Likely to get more games next season. 20+
The league isn't going to see the likes of those points tallies again anytime soon. Too competitive. Too many draws and sides capable of besting anyone on their day. I doubt it will be be above 80 next season. I expect the league to be more competitive.
It's ignorant to call the league piss poor juts because a United or Chelsea didn't steamroll the shite that used to exist in the league.
I didn't say they would win the league. I said challenge. If the winners reach 80 points and they finish on 75 points, then I would classify that as another title challenge.
What? Chelsea got 87 points last year, City 86 the year before, United 89 in 2013 and City 89 in 2012. It's just coincidence that this year all top clubs are struggling, when any of them get back to proper form they'll easily be breaking 84-85 points. The concept that the league got so amazing last Summer that no one could possibly break 80 points is complete and utter nonsense. So last year teams were so poor that Chelsea could get 87 but they all got so amazing this year that it's no longer possible.
I guarantee that at least one team will be well over 80 next season and over 85 too.Leicester will likely finish with 80 points this season. Leicester.
2015 Chelsea - 87
2014 - Man City 86
2013- Man Utd 89
I think one season doesn't mean that we aren't going to see these kind of totals ever again. Especially with the caliber of manager coming in at United, City and Chelsea.
Or maybe United and Chelsea were actually amazing teams back then, you know getting to Champions League finals too and all of that. That's the standard English football needs to get back to, I mean don't get me wrong, this season has been refreshing to some extent, but it's been the result of a serious lack of quality in the league, not the other way around.
Why are you so weird? Taking 6 years for Spurs but 3 years for United because taking 6 for both or 3 for both will not work for your argument. Trend
hy not say that United have won their last 4 games while Spurs have failed to win 1 of the last 1 game. Now this is trend....
As usual, you miss the point. The point is NOT to compare a six-year period with a three-year period, instead it's about (a) comparing Spurs' six-year period with their previous six-year period; and (b) comparing Man. Utd's three-year period with their previous three-year period.
The point in each case is the trend. How many times did Spurs finish in the top 4 in the prior six-year period? Answer none.
And how many times did Man. Utd finish outside the top 4 in the prior three-year period? Answer none.
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And? The league has gotten better since then. Stoke, West Ham, Southampton and even newbies like Bournemouth are bringing in higher profile players from abroad and are bringing in better managers. Koeman, Bilić and Quiqe Flores have been a breath of fresh air. More money is coming next season also. The league is starting to become like Serie A in the late 90's. Everyone is flocking to England for a piece of the pie.
The league has been overrated for years by Sky's propaganda. Especially in the 90's.
But compare equal periods, do not try to pretend that for Spurs the sample has to be 6 years, consider the circumstances. United have been in turmoil in the last three years because a legendary manager who was here for more than 25 years left and we have to rebuild, we've made some terrible decisions but are still not that far behind. It's quite clear that this is a badly run club in the recent 3 years.
6 years is too long a period because it considers 2011 when hardly any of current Spurs team were there. Current Spurs team has got to CL once, likewise the United team (albeit we still have a chance this year, I wouldn't write us off yet).
BTW if you compare current 3-year period for Spurs with the previous 3 years you are actually worse off too. You were in top 4 in 2011 and 2012, so two consecutive seasons but haven't made it back until 2016.
So how can you possibly explain the fact that Leicester who were on the verge of relegation, made two low profile small money transfers in the Summer, are now winning the league? Did the league getting stronger have no effect on them?
City, United and Chelsea have been well below par this season. Do not expect another season like this anytime soon, at least one of them will be back challenging and getting a considerably higher points total.
The league was much stronger around 2005-2010 and teams were consistently getting 85+ back then too. La Liga is extremely strong and three teams will likely go well over 80 this season. It's about the quality at the top, if you have genuinely top class teams there they will get to around 85 these days.
I disagree. People believe what they want to believe. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that sides containing players like Mané, Payet, Shaqiri, Bojan, Cabaye, Ighalo, Firmino, etc. are going to improve and become harder to beat.
Those teams were obviously very good sides in the late 00's, but they didn't face as many tough games. There are very few bankers in the league at the moment.
You're also missing context. We lost one of the greatest managers of all time in that period.
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Hardly in the same bracket as the ones you just mentioned mind, and I doubt he will tbh. Just seemed a bit out of place next to pretty much their best performers this season!
This is just what many on here said when LvG was appointed: "top manager" + mega-bucks = guaranteed success. This cosy assumption hasn't worked, but now you're telling us that it's suddenly guaranteed to work.
But players like that have been present in Premier League for a while. You're mentioning people like Shaqiri, Cabaye and Bojan who were failures in other leagues for a while before coming here, likewise Ighalo who was far from impressive before Watford. The league had the likes of Zenden, Mendieta, Okocha, Djorkaeff etc. in 2000s.
Well the difference between van Gaal and Mourinho is quite significant and still during van Gaal era we will have finished above you in 50% of seasons and if we manage to win FA Cup final we will have had 1 more trophy too.
I suppose the assumption the Spurs will suddenly start to compete for trophies after 20 years not doing so is far more likely than Football continuing to follow the general trend throughout the entire Football world (ie investment having a strong correlation with success)?
Leicester started this title winning form last season during their final 10 games though. They clicked. Kanté and Huth (underrated) have made a big difference, and Vardy has played up front this campaign. Plus, they brought in an experienced manager.
Of course it's a bit of a miracle, but it's happened before. The once all conquering Liverpool were brought down to Earth for by Forest.
I doubt we will see an 85+ winner next season. 82 points would be a good tally.
He has played 18 times this season.
Correction: a big club that is rebuilding before it hopes to come back to glory. You think that top 4 next season is guaranteed for United? Think again.
You're clearly doing the same, you are undermining Chelsea and United' domination not only in England but in Europe, because these amazing players such as Shaqiri, Bojan and Ighalo weren't around. It's a bit laughable.
No, I don't think it is for anyone because there will likely be 5 good teams in the league in City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and United and any of them could make top 4 plus there will likely be another surprise package from one of Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Southampton.
Failures? Shaqiri was class at Bayern. Cabaye is Premier League proven. Bojan has always had a decent goalscoring record, apart from a spell at Ajax. Payet has been underrated for years.
I am friends with some Spanish guys who expected Ighalo to flourish in England. He wasn't played at the main attacker in Spain.
But those players came to England on their last legs, not in their prime. Apart from Zenden the journeyman.
Well doing a quick google, 7 coming from Europa this season. Considering they'll be in the CL, he won't replicate that. not to mention only 4 of those 18s were starts and 4 were less that 6 minutes.
Yeah but it's Leicester and if they win the next 3 games, they will get 85 points in this league. Why are you so certain that given the squad City will likely have next year it's impossible for them to pass 85?
How was Shaqiri class at Bayern? He barely played which is why they let him go to Inter, who then turned him down. If he were class why didn't they hold on to him? Yes, exactly, Cabaye is PL proven and PSG unproven. Bojan was quite poor at Ajax and Roma which is why neither wanted him permanently. I did not say a word about Payet.
It depends on a lot of factors really. As things stand, they'll find it difficult to get top 4 just like they do this year but they'd definitely be in the mix. If they get Mourinho (doubtful) and a couple of good signings (probable), I'd say it's likely they'll be back in the top four next year.
I'm debating a point in a correct manner, while you sound like a pisshead down the boozer who is afraid of the times and are resorting to emoticons during a debate.
I will agree to disagree.
Same here. Think you sound more like the pisshead though.