The Spurs thread

GlastonSpur said:
These are all significant trend changes compared to the preceding comparable time period for each club, none of them invented "bullshit", just plain facts:

* Chelski have finished out of the top 4 twice in the last 5 seasons. Try comparing to the 5 seasons before that.
* Man. Utd will likely make it 2 seasons out of 3 outside of the top 4. Try comparing to the 3 seasons before that.
* Spurs have finished in the top 4 three times in the last 6 years. Try comparing to the 6 seasons before that.
* Liverpool have been out of the top 4 for a long time bar one season. Try comparing to the Prem era before that.

It's not just about Spurs and United. The landscape has been shifting significantly and is continuing to shift. It's obvious from the facts given above.
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- Chelsea won't be in the UCL for the first time in more than 10 years.
- United will probably miss in UCL for the second time in the history of UCL. Both times missing since the legendary manager retired, so there might be a trend here, but then with the money we have, it is hard to see the trend continuing for long.
- Spurs will go to UCL for the second time in the history of UCL
- Liverpool finish almost always outside of top 4. Liverpool are shit. Definite trend.

For the love of Kane, when you try to show trends try to put the same number of years for all teams. Otherwise I will call Sarni.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
I've edited mine. My > and < were the opposite of what they should be.

Kane is equal to Griezmann. If his name was Kanedinho, there would be no discussion.

Eriksen and Koke are both sides' most creative outlet. Koke is better at the defensive side of the game, Eriksen is better technically. Even overall.

Gabi is a great leader and hard worker, but a water carrier who raises his game for the big occasion. An in form Dembélé is better.

Ali is streets ahead of Oliver who is nothing more than untapped potential at the moment. Different roles though.

Godín is better than Alderweireld, yes. But Giménez, who I think could become the best centre back in the world, is not better than Vertonghen overall at present.

Luís in an Atlético shirt is pretty much Carlos.

Oblak is another outstanding young goalkeeper they've found. But Lloris edges him for now.

Oh, and I am a United fan. I just don't have my head buried up my arse.
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Good Lord.

Griezmann is possibly the best big match player after Muller. Their entire attack is Griezmann. He has been on Ronaldo/Messi level this season.

Koke is possibly the best midfielder in the world.

Gabi is better than Dembele. Gimenez is better than Alder too. He's the reason why Alder plays at Spurs. Agree with Lloris being better than Oblak, but then I have been a big fan of Lloris always.

I could give you Ali ahead of Oliver, though I think is quite close. Both are untapped potential at the moment.

Could you explain how your team is 7 points below Leicester while Atletico are on the same number of points as Barca (and eliminated them while Dortmund humiliated you) if your team is the equal of Atletico/
 
Those fecking comparisons. You'd think it's Spuds who not that long time ago won La Liga, were playing in CL final and are this year's semi-finalists with a pretty big shout at La Liga again against one of the very best (if not the best) attacking trios in history of football :lol:
 
Revan said:
This is pretty much spot on. Spurs will be there but more as a team who consistently challenges for fourth with maybe at times challenging for the title.

Leicester will vanish next season.

United, Chelsea and City will always be there. Well, until the system doesn't change.
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What astonishing complacency - especially given the trends I've just cited.

Spurs have a better squad than United IMO, we've finished above you twice in the last 3 seasons and we'll have little problem improving the squad this summer given that CL football is on offer, Pochettino is at the helm and the squad's average is very young. Yet Mourinho is going to roll in, spends lot of money and hey presto - no question about it - you'll be back in the top 4 next season :wenger:

Chelsea have big problems - the chances for next season being a 3rd time out of the top 4 in 6 years are quite large I believe. City I'll grant you.
 
GlastonSpur said:
What astonishing complacency - especially given the trends I've just cited.

Spurs have a better squad than United IMO, we've finished above you twice in the last 3 seasons and we'll have little problem improving the squad this summer given that CL football is on offer, Pochettino is at the helm and the squad's average is very young. Yet Mourinho is going to roll in, spends lot of money and hey presto - no question about it - you'll be back in the top 4 next season :wenger:

Chelsea have big problems - the chances for next season being a 3rd time out of the top 4 in 6 years are quite large I believe. City I'll grant you.
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I warned you. @Sarni
 
GlastonSpur said:
These are all significant trend changes compared to the preceding comparable time period for each club, none of them invented "bullshit", just plain facts:

* Chelski have finished out of the top 4 twice in the last 5 seasons. Try comparing to the 5 seasons before that.
* Man. Utd will likely make it 2 seasons out of 3 outside of the top 4. (OK, this is not yet a fact). Try comparing to the 3 seasons before that.
* Spurs have finished in the top 4 three times in the last 6 years. Try comparing to the 6 seasons before that.
* Liverpool have been out of the top 4 for a long time bar one season. Try comparing to the Prem era before that.

It's not just about Spurs and United. The landscape has been shifting significantly and is continuing to shift. It's obvious from the facts given above.
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:lol:

1) Chelsea finished as European Champions once in last 5 season by completely giving up on the league. They've missed CL only once in the last 5 seasons and that would be this season. They've had a disaster this season but this doesn't translate into any 'trend' whatsover

2) Still haven't missed out on top 4 yet, but United haven't made it into UCL once in the last 20 seasons. Even taking the retirement of Sir Alex into account, we potentially have enough money to bring in another manager and signings for him to give it another go. Not a trend yet, but given the possibility of us missing another season, the 'trend' here is we need a better manager

3) Spurs have played UCL once in the last year, and will qualify for another tournament this year.

You've randomly chosen years for different clubs to establish a trend where you finish in Top 4 and miraculously inventing a 'trend'. You had Tim fecking Sherwood as a manager (bless him, still finished above David Moyes), so don't jump on us if we don't buy your totally invented trends and shifting landscape.
 
Revan said:
Griezmann > Kane
Koke > Eriksen
Carrasco = Lamela
Juanfran > Walker
Oliver = Ali
Gabi > Dembele
Godin > Alderweireld *
Luis > Rose
Gimenez > Vertonghen
Oblak < Lloris
Dier = Saul
Torres > Njie
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Saul Niguez is better than Dier. Oliver Torres has done too little recently, I think. Agree with the rest.
 
Revan said:
Good Lord.

Griezmann is possibly the best big match player after Muller. Their entire attack is Griezmann. He has been on Ronaldo/Messi level this season.

Koke is possibly the best midfielder in the world.

Gabi is better than Dembele. Gimenez is better than Alder too. He's the reason why Alder plays at Spurs. Agree with Lloris being better than Oblak, but then I have been a big fan of Lloris always.

I could give you Ali ahead of Oliver, though I think is quite close. Both are untapped potential at the moment.

Could you explain how your team is 7 points below Leicester while Atletico are on the same number of points as Barca (and eliminated them while Dortmund humiliated you) if your team is the equal of Atletico/
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Do you have evidence of this. Go onto FCBarca's forum and you will see them calling him a big game bottler until his recent brace against them. Comparing him to Müller is beyond ridiculous. Kane has been netting in big games all season long.

There's not one thing Gabi does that Dembélé can't, where as Gabi can only dream to have his technique. It was actually a bald Brazilian who benched Alderweireld.

My team are in 5th place. BVB didn't humiliate anyone but themselves at Anfield. Bottlers. Spurs rotated and rested players for both legs.

Can you tell me why Barcelona are 21 points clear of Villarreal, while City are only 12 points behind Leicester?

It is not Atlético's individual talent that makes them effective. It is their tactical nous and fighting spirit. They are essentially Leicester City with added quality.
 
fishfingers15 said:
:lol:

1) Chelsea finished as European Champions once in last 5 season by completely giving up on the league. They've missed CL only once in the last 5 seasons and that would be this season. They've had a disaster this season but this doesn't translate into any 'trend' whatsover

2) Still haven't missed out on top 4 yet, but United haven't made it into UCL once in the last 20 seasons. Even taking the retirement of Sir Alex into account, we potentially have enough money to bring in another manager and signings for him to give it another go. Not a trend yet, but given the possibility of us missing another season, the 'trend' here is we need a better manager

3) Spurs have played UCL once in the last year, and will qualify for another tournament this year.

You've randomly chosen years for different clubs to establish a trend where you finish in Top 4 and miraculously inventing a 'trend'. You had Tim fecking Sherwood as a manager (bless him, still finished above David Moyes), so don't jump on us if we don't buy your totally invented trends and shifting landscape.
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Nothing you've said disputes what I've said, so you're left with calling the clear trends I've cited "invented" despite have zero foundation for that claim.

In each case, for each of the four clubs cited, and going backwards in time from today, the frequency of their the top finishes have declined (except for Spurs) when compared to same preceeding time period for the club concerned. Yet you dismiss it all as "invented" :lol:
 
GlastonSpur said:
Nothing you've said disputes what I've said, so you're left with calling the clear trends I've cited "invented" despite have zero foundation for that claim.

In each case, for each of the four clubs cited, and going backwards in time from today, the frequency of their the top finishes have declined (except for Spurs) when compared to same preceeding time period for the club concerned. Yet you dismiss it all as "invented" :lol:
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Because they (United/Chelsea) never finished outside of UCL zone before that period.

In Spurs case, you finished once in top 4 in the last three years. Which is the same as in the three years before that.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
Do you have evidence of this. Go onto FCBarca's forum and you will see them calling him a big game bottler until his recent brace against them. Comparing him to Müller is beyond ridiculous. Kane has been netting in big games all season long.
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He scored against them when he was still at Sociedad in both league and CdR and also scored/assisted against RM the same season. First season at ATM he didn't score against them, scored/assisted against RM. This season he scored/assisted against RM, scored a brace against Barca.

As for BVB, yes, they did humiliate Spurs, they can talk about rotating, resting and all the shit they want but in the end they humiliated them.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
Do you have evidence of this. Go onto FCBarca's forum and you will see them calling him a big game bottler until his recent brace against them. Comparing him to Müller is beyond ridiculous. Kane has been netting in big games all season long.

There's not one thing Gabi does that Dembélé can't, where as Gabi can only dream to have his technique. It was actually a bald Brazilian who benched Alderweireld.
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Absolute nonsense. Dembele has had a great season, but they aren't comparable in terms of what they have achieved. Gabi has been one of the best midfielders in Europe for some time now. He was Atletico's best player against Real in their CL final and in general is one of the most reliable players in that Atletico team, when they play in the CL. Considering your earlier post, I doubt you watch Atletico often. Suggesting Eriksen is as good as Koke is laughable.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
Do you have evidence of this. Go onto FCBarca's forum and you will see them calling him a big game bottler until his recent brace against them. Comparing him to Müller is beyond ridiculous. Kane has been netting in big games all season long.

There's not one thing Gabi does that Dembélé can't, where as Gabi can only dream to have his technique. It was actually a bald Brazilian who benched Alderweireld.

My team are in 5th place. BVB didn't humiliate anyone but themselves at Anfield. Bottlers. Spurs rotated and rested players for both legs.

Can you tell me why Barcelona are 21 points clear of Villarreal, while City are only 12 points behind Leicester?

It is not Atlético's individual talent that makes them effective. It is their tactical nous and fighting spirit. They are essentially Leicester City with added quality.
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Not buying that. You support Manchester United?

And what is this Villareal bit about.

This is a very odd post. I suggest multi-quoting.
 
bucky said:
Absolute nonsense. Dembele has had a great season, but they aren't comparable in terms of what they have achieved. Gabi has been one of the best midfielders in Europe for some time now. He was Atletico's best player against Real in their CL final and in general is one of the most reliable players in that Atletico team, when they play in the CL. Considering your earlier post, I doubt you watch Atletico often. Suggesting Eriksen is as good as Koke is laughable.
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He's definitely their most important player after Griezmann, Godin and Koke. A very top player who doesn't get the respect he deserved because there are too many top Spanish midfielders.
 
Atletico Madrid are no doubt superbly managed. Simeone is probably the best manager in the world right now. However, their team and squad is better than Spurs' comfortably. Noone but a Spurs fan would contest that.
 
Phurry said:
There's s distinctly Orcish odour in this thread currently.
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Nah. You're just jealous of Spurs. And Spurs are better than Atletico. And also the are the best team in England and will finish ahead of United in the following seasons. And Vertongen is better than Marquinhos while Gabi can only dream to be as good as Dembele. Stop burying your head on sand.

I am a United fan, obviously. What a shit team they are. If only we were as good as Spurs. *

* No, I am not a Spurs fan. Harry Kane, Harry Kane!
 
WhodaGOAT is the new Orc apparently. That Spurs vs Atlético lineup comparison is probably one of the worse things i've read in this forum (Dembelé better than Gabi :lol:), along with Pocchetino being better than Simeone. This overrating of Spurs is ridiculous. Atlético is miles better team than Spurs. Seriously just compare achievements. Spurs have 2 damm league cups as a main achievement is the last decades.
 
Revan said:
He's definitely their most important player after Griezmann, Godin and Koke. A very top player who doesn't get the respect he deserved because there are too many top Spanish midfielders.
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Agreed. It's actually annoying that he hasn't been called up.
 
GlastonSpur said:
These are all significant trend changes compared to the preceding comparable time period for each club, none of them invented "bullshit", just plain facts:

* Chelski have finished out of the top 4 twice in the last 5 seasons. Try comparing to the 5 seasons before that.
* Man. Utd will likely make it 2 seasons out of 3 outside of the top 4. (OK, this is not yet a fact). Try comparing to the 3 seasons before that.
* Spurs have finished in the top 4 three times in the last 6 years. Try comparing to the 6 seasons before that.
* Liverpool have been out of the top 4 for a long time bar one season. Try comparing to the Prem era before that.

It's not just about Spurs and United. The landscape has been shifting significantly and is continuing to shift. It's obvious from the facts given above.
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You are so weird. Why not say that Spurs made it 1 time in the last 3 seasons and 2 times in the previous 3 years. You chop these samples to fit your idiotic agenda.
 
Sly said:
WhodaGOAT is the new Orc apparently. That Spurs vs Atlético lineup comparison is probably one of the worse things i've read in this forum (Dembelé better than Gabi :lol:), along with Pocchetino being better than Simeone. This overrating of Spurs is ridiculous. Atlético is miles better team than Spurs. Seriously just compare achievements. Spurs have 2 damm league cups as a main achievement is the last decades.
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I'm inclined to believe he's the same person as the other new Spurs fan who claims that Dembele is by far the best midfielder in the league this season (Kante is nowhere near) who just fecking smells of our own Santiago.
 
Sarni said:
You are so weird. Why not say that Spurs made it 1 time in the last 3 seasons and 2 times in the previous 3 years. You chop these samples to fit your idiotic agenda.
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And you still don't get the trends.
 
Sarni said:
You are so weird. Why not say that Spurs made it 1 time in the last 3 seasons and 2 times in the previous 3 years. You chop these samples to fit your idiotic agenda.
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No, all the time periods go backwards from the same starting point - i.e. today. And each time period is compared to same preceding time period for each of the clubs concerned - e.g. the last 6 years for Spurs compared the preceding 6 years for Spurs, or the last 5 seasons for Chelski compared to the preceding 5 years for Chelski.

The trends are clear, however much you try to quibble about it.
 
This reminds me of the Summer if 2014. Liverpool fans were just as smug. Next year was definitely their year.

It takes much more to win a league. It's something that Spurs as a club have historically struggled with.

As for United ,we've got our problems. Better decision making is needed. Throwing money at our problems will just result in another LvG like disaster.
 
Poor ol' GlastonSour has gone mad.

Even in a season where The Mighty Sours finally finish above all the bigger teams, the prospect of being beaten by one of the minnows has forced him to conjure up some of his most arbitrary statistical hokum yet.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
Spurs are going nowhere. Next season, at least, they will challenge again.

Kane, Ali, Eriksen, Dier, Lamela and Onomah are under the age of 25 and will continue to get better. None of their starting XI are over 30.
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Same shit is written about Arsenal every year, they never fulfil the promise
 
Tbf, WhoDaGoat has a point that Atletico as a team make the individuals look better than they are in a different setting.

For example see Filipe Luis and his journey from atletico to Chelski back to Atletico.

He was considered best LB in europe by some at Atletico but struggled at CHelski and EPL and couldn't even get ahead of Azpi out of position or Ivanovic in a title winning team. (Not chelsea of this season.)


You could also draw comparisons to Leicester as a team this season and how their individual talents have gone from championship quality to looking like Top players. And tbf, it's partly true for the spurs unit as well but they have more individual talent as well.
 
GlastonSpur said:
These are all significant trend changes compared to the preceding comparable time period for each club, none of them invented "bullshit", just plain facts:

* Chelski have finished out of the top 4 twice in the last 5 seasons. Try comparing to the 5 seasons before that.
* Man. Utd will likely make it 2 seasons out of 3 outside of the top 4. (OK, this is not yet a fact). Try comparing to the 3 seasons before that.
* Spurs have finished in the top 4 three times in the last 6 years. Try comparing to the 6 seasons before that.
* Liverpool have been out of the top 4 for a long time bar one season. Try comparing to the Prem era before that.

It's not just about Spurs and United. The landscape has been shifting significantly and is continuing to shift. It's obvious from the facts given above.
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Such rubbish trends. How about last 3 years for Spurs and the 3 years before that?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Not buying that. You support Manchester United?

And what is this Villareal bit about.

This is a very odd post. I suggest multi-quoting.
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First of all, the post had nothing to do with you. Secondly, I do. Thirdly, feck off questioning who I support.

He asked why Spurs are 7 points behind Leicester. Well, in Spain the 4th placed team is 21 points behind the leaders and 20 points off 3rd place. In England, the 4th placed team are only 12 points behind the leaders. The point is that The Premier League has been better overall this season due to the competitive games across all 20 teams bar Villa who are simply gash, yet somehow drew with United and City. That summaries how difficult it is in England and why teams aren't running up 85+ points tallies. There are no easy games anymore. I counter questioned.
 
Mozza said:
Same shit is written about Arsenal every year, they never fulfil the promise
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Spurs can actually defend though and have a bit of fire about them. Arsenal have obvious weaknesses. Spurs have leaders amongst them.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
First of all, the post had nothing to do with you. Secondly, I do. Thirdly, feck off questioning who I support.

He asked why Spurs are 7 points behind Leicester. Well, in Spain the 4th placed team is 21 points behind the leaders and 20 points off 3rd place. In England, the 4th placed team are only 12 points behind the leaders. The point is that The Premier League has been better overall this season due to the competitive games across all 20 teams bar Villa who are simply gash, yet somehow drew with United and City. That summaries how difficult it is in England and why teams aren't running up 85+ points tallies. There are no easy games anymore. I counter questioned.
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Are you claiming that Leicester are as good as Barca?

Who do you support? For real? You know that Damien can easily find it and then you'll be in trouble.
 
bucky said:
Absolute nonsense. Dembele has had a great season, but they aren't comparable in terms of what they have achieved. Gabi has been one of the best midfielders in Europe for some time now. He was Atletico's best player against Real in their CL final and in general is one of the most reliable players in that Atletico team, when they play in the CL. Considering your earlier post, I doubt you watch Atletico often. Suggesting Eriksen is as good as Koke is laughable.
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What has what they achieved got to do with the present day? Gabi peaked late in football and was much better two years ago than he is now. Koke is the real star of that midfield though. I watch La Liga pretty much every week. In fact, all I do is post about football, watch football, play football and code.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
What has what they achieved got to do with the present day? Gabi peaked late in football and was much better two years ago than he is now. Koke is the real star of that midfield though. I watch La Liga pretty much every week. In fact, all I do is post about football, watch football, play football and code.
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All forgiven then :)
 
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