Speculating as usual, with nothing what so ever to back up your ramblings. What has Bale got to do with anything?Trend
The Spurs thread
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You would be wrong. But then you have maybe only been supporting United since the glory days. Maybe that's why you do support them.
I always thought Arsenal fans hate you the most with also their record finishing always above you and always picking on you. Chelsea as well I can understand. Not sure from where the WHU comes from and what's the deal with other London clubs like Palace etc..
Nope, not meant that way, I just reckon if we envy anyone there are several teams we could look at and be more jealous about than Spurs right now. Spurs while considerably better than us are not where we should ultimately be - our goal should be Bayern level, more like.
BTW I am 27 so giving me stick about not supporting United during darker days might be a bit harsh seeing as I was minus 18 or so when we got relegated.
Although all Glaston nonsense aside, the way Spurs have built their team in recent years and their improvement under Pochettino has been nothing short of impressive. Their fans have plenty of positives to take from this season and a lot to look forward to, though I suspect they won't be in title conversation for a while yet. They're unlucky that there are two sugar daddy clubs around who will bounce back sooner rather than later because otherwise their position at the top 5 of PL would be pretty solid next to United, Arsenal and probably Liverpool without needing to worry about Chelsea and City (well Chelsea could have been thereabouts even without Roman). Yesterday showed some fragilities in their mentality, they are a young team and not ready for these tight battles yet and I think Pochettino should work on that (although as been previously said he used to be a bit of a thug on the pitch himself). We should take note of what they've been doing, adjust for considerably bigger financial power and go from there. If there's one team in English football we could take lessons of team building from right now then it's definitely Tottenham.
I find it hilarious that people on here dislike Spurs because of Glaston from the internet. I get Arsenal fans and Chelsea fans because of the rivalry but what have they other done to United that annoys you. Have you guys met Spurs fans irl? They're pretty sound having seen years of rubbish. Now they've built their way up from mediocrity to a self-sustained club who are on the right track forwards. You have to commend that.
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Simply not true. If I state a fact it's usually translated as a wind-up, as if the fact doesn't exist or should not ever be alluded to. The fact that Spurs have finished above United twice in the last 3 seasons is just one example of many.
It's apparently fine to tell me that Spurs wasted the Bale money (despite it resulting in two of our current best XI, plus a useful squad member), but apparently not fine for me to point out that United have outspent Spurs over the last 5 years to the tune of hundreds of millions net spend.
Or if express an opinion that later turns out to be justified - e.g. in the summer when Moyes was appointed that Spurs would finish above United - it gets widely attacked as "arrogant" or "ridiculous" ... and then later conveniently forgotten.
I'ver simply no idea why you say that the past 6 year trend show United and Chelsea in a good light - as far as the league is concerned they don't.
I said this
And you reply with this
It amazes me how the irony flies right past you. You use the exact same period I have used and call it history when it applies to United, but for Spurs the exact time period is used to show their remarkable progress, and not past history.
Surely even in your Spurs delusion and post traumatic title loss stress, you can see how those two conflict.
You have constantly had a go at United based solely on future scenarios and predictions you have made in your head, and nothing else. No trophy to speak of, no success, just flat out hope.You speak of trends, but ignore the biggest one in the room, 55 years no title, but yet you can boldy make claims on United based on just 3 years. The level of extrapolation is astounding. United are in a bad state, but even we arent stooping to that certain level of delusion. Surely just after the most unpredictable season ever, you would be holding steady with the predictions and actually seeing how things progress. A lot of fans here are doing just that.
And you reply with this
Yet just a a week ago , you were saying this
It amazes me how the irony flies right past you. You use the exact same period I have used and call it history when it applies to United, but for Spurs the exact time period is used to show their remarkable progress, and not past history.
Surely even in your Spurs delusion and post traumatic title loss stress, you can see how those two conflict.
You have constantly had a go at United based solely on future scenarios and predictions you have made in your head, and nothing else. No trophy to speak of, no success, just flat out hope.You speak of trends, but ignore the biggest one in the room, 55 years no title, but yet you can boldy make claims on United based on just 3 years. The level of extrapolation is astounding. United are in a bad state, but even we arent stooping to that certain level of delusion. Surely just after the most unpredictable season ever, you would be holding steady with the predictions and actually seeing how things progress. A lot of fans here are doing just that.
We've played what is probably the most entertaining and exciting attacking football in the entire Prem and sit in 2nd place with 2 games to go.
"Nothing but a bunch of violent thugs" don't tend to do that ...
You're living in the past. I'm going on current evidence.
Spurs are one of the biggest clubs in England - it's your delusion that this is not the case. The fact a few clubs are currently bigger still doesn't change this.
The West Ham thing is because both fan bases come from the same areas north and east of London, Essex is predominantly Spurs and West Ham area. The vast majority of people in towns like Harlow or Chelmsford will support one or the other.
They don't conflict. Are you seriously telling me that United have not declined over the last 6 years? Do you seriously believe that United today have a better squad than Spurs?
And when Utd fans point out facts they're snobbish or have their heads buried in the sands. You've been doing the same thing for years.
I'm referring to one of your posts from a few years back that I posted a few days ago to prove how you ignore trends and do the things you're accusing others of doing. I'll post it again for you.
Glaston, thing is people don't like you because aside from bigging up your club you constantly disrespect United. Even during the times when we were winning stuff under Ferguson you were belittling the club based on future scenarios and spouting crap that last season does not matter, new season is a blank sheet. We have Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal fans here who can be objective. You're a one-way bully. You were here when we were winning title and you never ever admitted we were good back then, instead at the start of every season you were predicting us to fall out of top 4. Now you're somehow amazed that people do the same about Spurs when discussing with you.
Yes, we aren't great now. Thing is when we were great you were still telling us we are shite. I find this strange because historically United and Spurs aren't even rivals. Where does so much hatred come from?
Yes, we aren't great now. Thing is when we were great you were still telling us we are shite. I find this strange because historically United and Spurs aren't even rivals. Where does so much hatred come from?
A bit like your team last night?
This was 6 years ago funnily enough. A six year trend didn't matter to you then but it now does. Just another example of how you've been pulling stuff from your arse for years and belies any claims you only defend Spurs against villainous slanders.
Oh and since then Utd and Chelsea have won three league titles between them. Spurs have won none.
You wrote " I think it's the worst period in Uniteds history" when in reality, irrespective of when you were born it isn't even close. Also I wasn't being harsh, simply reading between the lines. As it turns out I was correct, you have only been supporting United since the glory days and maybe that is why you support them.
Yeah Glaston, where does so much hatred come from?
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Your current points total of 70 is still lower than your previous best finishing points of 72 (12/13). It is not inconceivable to see Spurs not pick up 6 points, I'd even go as far as to say you will struggle to get the motivation for the final two league games.
If you finish with a couple draws it is still only equaling your best ever finish, you have finished on 70 points before (09/10) and you have even finished on 69 points in 2 of the previous 5 seasons. This bubble that the media and you seem to live in where Spurs have been amazing and are title winners in the making is quite far fetched when looking at the bigger picture. Yes, this season, you have been close to winning the league, but the gap could be 13 points by the end of it all (it could be 1 also).
The bigger picture is that the other teams have struggled for various reasons whilst Spurs have kept up their tradition of hitting 69-72 points, which in previous years would have secured a top 6 finish no problem.
If Leicester win their next two games they will finish on 83 points, which would have been a title winning points total in only 1 of the past 15 seasons!
I and many others find it hard to imagine a season like this one where the top clubs drop the amount of points they have, looking at previous tables there always seems to be 2/3 teams finishing with 75-80 points finishing 2nd/3rd, whilst the first place is 85+. This to me shows that this year has been a blip for the larger clubs and next year it will need Tottenham to find 10 points to secure a 2nd/3rd place finish.
I'm sure you will find a way to argue against these facts, but when it is laid out for all to see, Tottenham have just done what Tottenham do; finish with around 69-72 points. It's everyone else that have screwed up, which would be difficult to see continuing.
Edit: FYI; I'm not having a go, I just want to have a discussion about what I have mentioned above. I personally like Tottenham as a club and what it stands for. I had no qualms with you winning the league over every other club this year.
Your current points total of 70 is still lower than your previous best finishing points of 72 (12/13). It is not inconceivable to see Spurs not pick up 6 points, I'd even go as far as to say you will struggle to get the motivation for the final two league games.
If you finish with a couple draws it is still only equaling your best ever finish, you have finished on 70 points before (09/10) and you have even finished on 69 points in 2 of the previous 5 seasons. This bubble that the media and you seem to live in where Spurs have been amazing and are title winners in the making is quite far fetched when looking at the bigger picture. Yes, this season, you have been close to winning the league, but the gap could be 13 points by the end of it all (it could be 1 also).
The bigger picture is that the other teams have struggled for various reasons whilst Spurs have kept up their tradition of hitting 69-72 points, which in previous years would have secured a top 6 finish no problem.
If Leicester win their next two games they will finish on 83 points, which would have been a title winning points total in only 1 of the past 15 seasons!
I and many others find it hard to imagine a season like this one where the top clubs drop the amount of points they have, looking at previous tables there always seems to be 2/3 teams finishing with 75-80 points finishing 2nd/3rd, whilst the first place is 85+. This to me shows that this year has been a blip for the larger clubs and next year it will need Tottenham to find 10 points to secure a 2nd/3rd place finish.
I'm sure you will find a way to argue against these facts, but when it is laid out for all to see, Tottenham have just done what Tottenham do; finish with around 69-72 points. It's everyone else that have screwed up, which would be difficult to see continuing.
Edit: FYI; I'm not having a go, I just want to have a discussion about what I have mentioned above. I personally like Tottenham as a club and what it stands for. I had no qualms with you winning the league over every other club this year.
Yep I started supporting when I was a kid. We were winning stuff back then. Mostly started supporting United because my much older brother was their fan since late 80s/early 90s. Perhaps it does make me less of a fan to not have been born during the times where I could have been supporting a less successful United team. Mostly my parents fault.
I did not honestly mean it is the worst period in United's history.
Why does it matter why anyone starts supporting a team? Once you pick a team, you stick by it.
You clearly know nothing about being a football fan.
This is the prime example of someone becoming a Man United fan so they can act the Billy Big Bollocks to whomever they want, and use the success of a team they (likely) have no connection with to feel good about themselves and belittle others. Boring as feck. Can't believe I'm having to defend a Spurs fan.
i agree with this. I think next year will be back to city chelsea utd (if jm joins) arsenal/spurs . having thought about it that is who i definitely think will take top4-5
Yet more invented imaginings from you. I have not said that United were "shite" when you were winning things, nor have I every season predicted that United would fall out of the top 4, and nor have I ever said that the "last season does not matter". As for each new season being a blank sheet - obviously it is, since the story of that season has yet to be written.
This is your typical way of operating: make false claims about things I've not said and then seek to pick a fight about it. Yet you never see how ridiculous your behaviour is.
What are you on about?
This thread is mental.
Yep and from my experience of living in a country where no top quality football is played yet football remains very popular people usually choose a team from abroad to support because they like something about them and very seldom choose non-competitive sides. I've been supporting United for 20 years, I know I will be a fan for the rest of my life too.
Honestly, if you show me one post in which you are not dismissive of United but instead admit they're very good, from any period of time before 2014, I'll grant you that.
Glaston's hilariously annoying in his constant bias for Spurs, but he's never rude or insulting to people, as far as I've seen.
100% correct. It's embarrassing .
No, not at all.
I am showing that in that decline, United have still done as well league wins wise as Spurs have done in their history. They have also amassed more points, won more trophies(Actually Spurs have won none in the period, so not the best comparison), yet we will gladly admit that this hasnt been the greatest period for us, and are not shouting at the rooftops about that time period. Surely its a measure of the club that Spurs are , that such a trophy-less period that admittedly has brought much hope, but very little substance can be used by you as a stick to beat us with.
Spurs have a decent team, and very few are actually disputing, but as a true Spurs fan, you should be the first to realise that doesnt equate to trophies at the end of the day. History is littered with many near-misses, who is to say that Spurs wont be another. Many a Spurs team have done that in the past too.
Its simple, save the jubilations and insults for the days you win something. At that point, you'll realize that the jubilation that comes with proper success means you will have little time to have digs at other clubs. Having digs at United doesnt make the fact that Spurs have blown their biggest chance at a title in almost half a century any less painful.
As opposed to you who's clearly the epitome of the perfect football fan with constantly making stupid predictions, signing on a rival forum account just to WUM people, making stupid posts when your team is winning and disappearing after a not-so-great result? Get off your high horse.
Are you Morrissey? Didn't strike me as a football fan to be honest.
Judging by yesterday's game they are a bigger shower of cnuts than Chelsea and that's saying something. A lot of the sympathies I had for them have evaporated.
I think it's more that he's quite annoying. He was annoying when Spurs were rubbish and he's annoying now that they're not...well, sort of not.
They haven't really surpassed us until they do something significant. Qualifying for the Champions League isn't really significant seeing as they've already done that in recent years, and would have on another occasion if Chelsea didn't win the thing.
It might be significant if they build on it next year, but judging by last night they'll need to sign some less mentally challenged players for that to happen rather than a spectacular crash and burn. They have good players, not players who are so good they can get away with having the mentality of spoilt 10 year olds.
The gloryhunter patrol in full swing. You don't have to justify anything. Clear to see from my time here that you've been a "vocal" fan in the good and bad moments.
Chelsea were also seeking to pick fights. As I recall it really started to heat up once Spurs went 2 - 0 up.
The tactic was successful - Spurs lost their discipline.
Mostly because it's a young team who hadn't been competing for the trophies before. If you keep this group together you won't have this problems in 2-3 years. This is what cost you title, complete lack of composure. This also happened against Arsenal and West Brom when they equalized against odds. This is 6 points dropped due to fragile mentality.
Maybe so. But Spurs were beyond last night. How you never got a red is baffling especially Dier. The stamp on Fabregas. The eye gouge. Rose shoving 69 yr old Hiddink over his bench. Flicking blood or snot whatever it was at players. Awful, even reports today you face a pts deduction
It takes a good effort from resident spurs posters to be more annoying than the arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans in here.
To be fair africanspur was fine (where is he?) and Percy is all right too. My good friend at work is a Spurs fan (used to work for Tottenham in marketing department, somehow) and he's possibly the best guy in there to discuss football with.
Meh. I'm pretty happy (apart from Arsenal's dreadful season). Do have a penchant for silly predictions and getting on my high horse though, I'll give you that.