The Spurs thread

SirHenryPercy said:
The level was raised after Arsenal's invincibles? I don't think so, and that's from a Spurs fan.

The point tally reflects nothing other what was required in any given season. Leicester could possibly have won the league with 71 points, does that indicate a strong league from top to bottom or a weak one?
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Regarding the league invincible Arsenal, it's the matter of opinion. IMO yes they're very good that season. 90 points, scored most goals and conceded least goal too. The league invincible Arsenal was also among the favorite to win the CL that year if not for Chelsea. Chelsea became top favorite by most of betting companies, IIRC going into the semi final round. Arsenal were that strong back then. In League Cup and FA Cup, it took the eventual winners that year to take Arsenal out!

After this 03-04 season, the trend was: winners consistently finished season with more than 85 points (with many season closer to the 90 point region). Couple outliers are 10-11 and this year. Before 03-04 Arsenal, for nearly a decade since the start of 38 games per team per season, there were only 2 occasions the league winners finished above 85 point mark (99-00 and 01-02. Unless you want to make a zig zag trend, which ended in 04-05). Therefore, it was 03-04 Arsenal who started the 85+ point winner trend.

The following season Arsenal was very good too. They only dropped off after their undefeated streak being stopped, but that required Mou's ultra consistent Chelsea to top them (Chelsea lost only 1 game while having more win than even league invincible Arsenal the previous seasons). Arsenal finished 83 points only 7 less than the previous season!

This argument does not work. In reality, Leceister showed consistency and has always been on the way to past the 80 point mark to be able to win the league. Spurs being psyched to make many mistake and slipped since the West Brom game. If Leicester was hanging around 70 points mark, then Spurs, City, Arsenal would have put more effort and made less mistakes and could have been favored to overcome Leceister on the last match day. At the moment Spurs still has the possibility to end up with 73 points; Arsenal 71 points; City could have done better vs Southampton if they were still in the title race. Imagine the pressure Leicester would have faced, going into the final game against Chelsea with the possibility of finishing the season at only 71 point max. That alone defeats this argument that Leicester could have crawled over the line and won the league with only 71 points.
 
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Every time I read a ti vu post I think of this quote (paraphrased) by Barney Ronay.

"...a tousled improviser who would probably cook you a meal simply by hurling everything in the fridge into a massive bowl and then flambéing it over a raging fire built from every stick of furniture you own, before abruptly disappearing just as you come round, dazed and hungover, face down in the ashes of what was once your kitchen"
 
Yes we could finish 1 point behind them but wouldn't it effectively be 22 points?
 
Donaldo said:
Every time I read a ti vu post I think of this quote (paraphrased) by Barney Ronay.

"...a tousled improviser who would probably cook you a meal simply by hurling everything in the fridge into a massive bowl and then flambéing it over a raging fire built from every stick of furniture you own, before abruptly disappearing just as you come round, dazed and hungover, face down in the ashes of what was once your kitchen"
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My other half said I am a good cook, so this is not like me at all :wenger: Move the goal post tactic

Perhaps, I should ask her let me have more time focusing on proofread my post than preparing meals.:angel:

Edited the previous post again. Let me know if the points are clearer or need more correction.
 
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ti vu said:
My other half said I am a good cook, so this is not like me at all :wenger: Move the goal post tactic

Perhaps, I should ask her let me have more time focusing on proofread my post than preparing meals.:angel:

Edited the previous post again. Let me know if the points are clearer or need more correction.
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:) Just being an arse, carry on.
 
I think it really puts into perspective how good Leicester have been this season where the league is ending up. If we're so awful and on a downward trend, yet only finish, at worst, 10-7 points behind the ever heralded, golden generation of Tottenham? I think people were just finding anyone else but Leicester to compliment and Tottenham got lucky they've outperformed previous seasons this year, whilst playing some great football and playing some great English players.
 
Lolz. The team just seem to have got into a downward spiral after Kane put that Lions pic on Instagram :lol::lol::lol:
 
Some funny old posts going on, we are going to finish 2nd or 3rd, yet some seem to believe we are suddenly in crisis, very positive indeed.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Some funny old posts going on, we are going to finish 2nd or 3rd, yet some seem to believe we are suddenly in crisis, very positive indeed.
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I don't think you're in crisis at all, but the over hype of Spurs and the supposed gap in quality between us and you would be pretty meaningless if we did finish even 4 points behind you.

EDIT: let me caveat that, There is still a massive chance it will be 7-10 points, but I think it shows you the gap isn't as big as you may have hoped.
 
Lash said:
I don't think you're in crisis at all, but the over hype of Spurs and the supposed gap in quality between us and you would be pretty meaningless if we did finish even 4 points behind you.

EDIT: let me caveat that, There is still a massive chance it will be 7-10 points, but I think it shows you the gap isn't as big as you may have hoped.
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I couldn't care less how big the gap is, 1 point or 10 points it makes no difference to me.

We all start next season on 0, so i don't care a t all.
 
With Sherwood in charge Spurs finished the season with 69 points, they currently have 70 with one game to go.

Though hard to deny they have improved and they are a decent side. However imo they are looking a lot better than they actually are due to the unprecedented dip that all the big clubs have had.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
I couldn't care less how big the gap is, 1 point or 10 points it makes no difference to me.

We all start next season on 0, so i don't care a t all.
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Fair, I think you've been pretty straight and consistent in your views on here IMO. I think it was more Glaston saying how further advanced you were as a club. than us.
 
Lash said:
I don't think you're in crisis at all, but the over hype of Spurs and the supposed gap in quality between us and you would be pretty meaningless if we did finish even 4 points behind you.

EDIT: let me caveat that, There is still a massive chance it will be 7-10 points, but I think it shows you the gap isn't as big as you may have hoped.
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The points gap is one thing. The gap in the football that's played is where it's at and Spurs have played fantastic football this year whilst we have been absolute dogshit. Without DDG we'd have been dosgshit and midtable. Spurs have come within a whisker of winning the league whilst we've been clinging on to Euro places like an unwelcome winnit.
 
Barca84 said:
The points gap is one thing. The gap in the football that's played is where it's at and Spurs have played fantastic football this year whilst we have been absolute dogshit. Without DDG we'd have been dosgshit and midtable. Spurs have come within a whisker of winning the league whilst we've been clinging on to Euro places like an unwelcome winnit.
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Talking sense in this thread is frowned upon. Just let the muppets entertain us with their garbage. :)
 
Barca84 said:
The points gap is one thing. The gap in the football that's played is where it's at and Spurs have played fantastic football this year whilst we have been absolute dogshit. Without DDG we'd have been dosgshit and midtable. Spurs have come within a whisker of winning the league whilst we've been clinging on to Euro places like an unwelcome winnit.
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yes but at least we have a lot of room for improvement... will spurs keep kane fit again all next season? will alli be able to maintain his spectacular form let alone kick on to the next level?
Spurs are deservedly well above us in the league this year - but I would not be a massive shock if they struggled to replicate it next season because lets face facts its spurs.
 
Barca84 said:
The points gap is one thing. The gap in the football that's played is where it's at and Spurs have played fantastic football this year whilst we have been absolute dogshit. Without DDG we'd have been dosgshit and midtable. Spurs have come within a whisker of winning the league whilst we've been clinging on to Euro places like an unwelcome winnit.
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Firstly, they're 10 points behind with one game to go. Hardly a whisker.

You could say the same about Spurs; heck anyone. Without Harry Kanes/anyone else goals/keeping/defending, they'd probably be in the same position/a worse position. My claim has only got to do with the state of affairs and mentality for next season. If we can play this shit and still come in very close to a Spurs that supposedly nearly won the league, I'd say we have a far better winning mentality in the squad and only need a few re-inforcements to get us to a better level than Spurs are now. Spurs will also improve as well, but I see them competing a lot closer with us that other people seem to think.
 
sun_tzu said:
yes but at least we have a lot of room for improvement... will spurs keep kane fit again all next season? will alli be able to maintain his spectacular form let alone kick on to the next level?
Spurs are deservedly well above us in the league this year - but I would not be a massive shock if they struggled to replicate it next season because lets face facts its spurs.
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I think both teams have plenty of room for improvement and we could equally ask what if DDG is injured/at Real next season? Or what if Martial breaks his leg? Average age of that Spurs team is below ours this season, they've got a cracking manager, they'll strengthen again in the summer. Never mind this "it's Spurs" stuff they're becoming a very well run and competitive football team.
 
Lash said:
Firstly, they're 10 points behind with one game to go. Hardly a whisker.

You could say the same about Spurs; heck anyone. Without Harry Kanes/anyone else goals/keeping/defending, they'd probably be in the same position/a worse position. My claim has only got to do with the state of affairs and mentality for next season. If we can play this shit and still come in very close to a Spurs that supposedly nearly won the league, I'd say we have a far better winning mentality in the squad and only need a few re-inforcements to get us to a better level than Spurs are now. Spurs will also improve as well, but I see them competing a lot closer with us that other people seem to think.
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It's interesting because calling next season is going to be extremely difficult and I'm struggling to see how anybody can put more than a fag paper between quite a few sides.

I looked at the start of the weekend at next seasons title odds and the bookies would agree, they have City as clear favourites and surprisingly to me Chelsea as clear second favourites. Then Arsenal, Spurs, Utd and Liverpool are grouped together.

Arse 5/1, Spurs 7/1, Utd & Pool 8/1.

Spurs routinely are 50/1 or more this time of year.

The surprise for me is Chelsea, I would have them grouped in with the others instead of 5/2 (I think it was).
 
SirHenryPercy said:
It's interesting because calling next season is going to be extremely difficult and I'm struggling to see how anybody can put more than a fag paper between quite a few sides.

I looked at the start of the weekend at next seasons title odds and the bookies would agree, they have City as clear favourites and surprisingly to me Chelsea as clear second favourites. Then Arsenal, Spurs, Utd and Liverpool are grouped together.

Arse 5/1, Spurs 7/1, Utd & Pool 8/1.

Spurs routinely are 50/1 or more this time of year.

The surprise for me is Chelsea, I would have them grouped in with the others instead of 5/2 (I think it was).
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I totally agree with what you're saying, but my argument was that people putting Spurs streets ahead of us are being a bit hasty considering what the league may finish up like. Yeah, but the early odds are a bit conservative, thanks to Leicester cleaning the bookies out! I am actually going to see who Chelsea get in, but they are my tip to win next season. Conte is a great manager and if he brings in the type of player that will play for him like Ranieri's boys, he'll do well.
 
Barca84 said:
I think both teams have plenty of room for improvement and we could equally ask what if DDG is injured/at Real next season? Or what if Martial breaks his leg? Average age of that Spurs team is below ours this season, they've got a cracking manager, they'll strengthen again in the summer. Never mind this "it's Spurs" stuff they're becoming a very well run and competitive football team.
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I'm not sure how much cash is floating about the club with the new ground to finish off (which I think is starting to run over budget and time - though lets face it most UK construction projects do). Once they have the ground they will be well set up to compete and quite possibly become Londons biggest club but they are a few seasons off that.
 
Barca84 said:
The points gap is one thing. The gap in the football that's played is where it's at and Spurs have played fantastic football this year whilst we have been absolute dogshit. Without DDG we'd have been dosgshit and midtable. Spurs have come within a whisker of winning the league whilst we've been clinging on to Euro places like an unwelcome winnit.
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This United team was one of the worst (if not the worst) in PL era. Score less than 50 goals with only 2 games left :wenger:. Noone seemed to deny that. Then OP started the debate that this United is on the decline trend and is now EL team. So OP denied United the room to improve. Fast forward few weeks, now United has a chance to slip into top 4 as well as closing point gap on Spurs. So dogshit United in PL era was not too far from the best Spurs in xx years, after all. The gap in the football quality is due to LVG being the manager. OP implied United couldn't overcome with a better manager. :wenger:

Has Spurs been improving to an unreachable level for the likes of United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal? Or simply the other teams had dog shit season while Spurs does improve, but the gap is reachable??
 
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Highlight of the season for West Ham, winning at Arsenal? Winning at Man City? Winning at Anfield for the first time in 50 odd years? Nope, beating Spurs. Being the main rival for all of Arsenal, Chelsea and the Hammers does have its drawbacks. The other London derbies are always that bit milder than the ones we are in which always seem to be a million miles an hour.


There have been many memorable games for the Hammers this term, Bilic believes, but he made special mention of West Ham's 1-0 win over Spurs in early March.

United boss Slaven Bilic feels beating Tottenham Hotspur at Upton Park this season "was special" for the Hammers.

"Beating Spurs at home was special. It is about the journey we have had. At the start we signed Dimitri Payet and other good players", Bilic said at West Ham's awards dinner this evening.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Highlight of the season for West Ham, winning at Arsenal? Winning at Man City? Winning at Anfield for the first time in 50 odd years? Nope, beating Spurs. Being the main rival for all of Arsenal, Chelsea and the Hammers does have its drawbacks. The other London derbies are always that bit milder than the ones we are in which always seem to be a million miles an hour.


There have been many memorable games for the Hammers this term, Bilic believes, but he made special mention of West Ham's 1-0 win over Spurs in early March.

United boss Slaven Bilic feels beating Tottenham Hotspur at Upton Park this season "was special" for the Hammers.

"Beating Spurs at home was special. It is about the journey we have had. At the start we signed Dimitri Payet and other good players", Bilic said at West Ham's awards dinner this evening.
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Yeah, that statement proves everything.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Highlight of the season for West Ham, winning at Arsenal? Winning at Man City? Winning at Anfield for the first time in 50 odd years? Nope, beating Spurs. Being the main rival for all of Arsenal, Chelsea and the Hammers does have its drawbacks. The other London derbies are always that bit milder than the ones we are in which always seem to be a million miles an hour.
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:lol: Really? Have you forgotten all the clashes between Arsenal and Chelsea?
 
Barca84 said:
The points gap is one thing. The gap in the football that's played is where it's at and Spurs have played fantastic football this year whilst we have been absolute dogshit. Without DDG we'd have been dosgshit and midtable. Spurs have come within a whisker of winning the league whilst we've been clinging on to Euro places like an unwelcome winnit.
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The league was all but won weeks ago and they're 10 points behind. That's a long way from within a whisker of winning the league.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Highlight of the season for West Ham, winning at Arsenal? Winning at Man City? Winning at Anfield for the first time in 50 odd years? Nope, beating Spurs. Being the main rival for all of Arsenal, Chelsea and the Hammers does have its drawbacks. The other London derbies are always that bit milder than the ones we are in which always seem to be a million miles an hour.


There have been many memorable games for the Hammers this term, Bilic believes, but he made special mention of West Ham's 1-0 win over Spurs in early March.

United boss Slaven Bilic feels beating Tottenham Hotspur at Upton Park this season "was special" for the Hammers.

"Beating Spurs at home was special. It is about the journey we have had. At the start we signed Dimitri Payet and other good players", Bilic said at West Ham's awards dinner this evening.
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Incredible. Up there with the biggest upsets in modern football.
 
NK86 said:
:lol: Really? Have you forgotten all the clashes between Arsenal and Chelsea?
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I obviously know a fair few Arsenal fans and they really don't care much about Chelsea, West Ham either. After us they probably see Utd as their biggest rival, which to me always seems kind of odd, but there you go.

I guess you've rattled their cage over the years.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
We aren't better than Atletico Madrid, so it's kind of a moot point.
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Some (not you) claimed it on this thread. But i was just jking. I think Spurs had a very good year and seem to have a promising future (still not happy that you took us Dier on the cheap)
 
Sly said:
Some (not you) claimed it on this thread. But i was just jking. I think Spurs had a very good year and seem to have a promising future (still not happy that you took us Dier on the cheap)
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Well if you look at the 5 year trend it's pretty obvious.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Highlight of the season for West Ham, winning at Arsenal? Winning at Man City? Winning at Anfield for the first time in 50 odd years? Nope, beating Spurs. Being the main rival for all of Arsenal, Chelsea and the Hammers does have its drawbacks. The other London derbies are always that bit milder than the ones we are in which always seem to be a million miles an hour.


There have been many memorable games for the Hammers this term, Bilic believes, but he made special mention of West Ham's 1-0 win over Spurs in early March.

United boss Slaven Bilic feels beating Tottenham Hotspur at Upton Park this season "was special" for the Hammers.

"Beating Spurs at home was special. It is about the journey we have had. At the start we signed Dimitri Payet and other good players", Bilic said at West Ham's awards dinner this evening.
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:lol:
 
Lash said:
I totally agree with what you're saying, but my argument was that people putting Spurs streets ahead of us are being a bit hasty considering what the league may finish up like. Yeah, but the early odds are a bit conservative, thanks to Leicester cleaning the bookies out! I am actually going to see who Chelsea get in, but they are my tip to win next season. Conte is a great manager and if he brings in the type of player that will play for him like Ranieri's boys, he'll do well.
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Ha. You clearly don't gamble much if you think Leicester winning the league was a bad result for the bookies!
 
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