Difference after 10 games. 10 points behind 2nd and 9 behind 4th to 5 and 2.
Top 4 race 2016/17
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Difference after 10 games. 10 points behind 2nd and 9 behind 4th to 5 and 2.
I'd forgotten we were THAT far back. ...or just blocked it out. What an awful start.
On the right track now & long may it continue.
On the right track now & long may it continue.
You think we need 35 points? In other words, 80 points by the end of the season. That's jut not realistic. That's higher than the second placed team in 4 of the last 6 seasons, 1 point less than last year's champions and the same as United's 2011 title win. No two season are the same but even so I really doubt 80 points will be a necessity for top 4. All contenders, except Chelsea, are dropping way too many points for that.
Whatever happens this season, I'm pretty confident we won't be drawing all these games next season and will not start the season with effectively a -10 point deficit. We could even mount a title challenge amongst the likes of Chelsea if we brought the right players in.
Difference after 10 games. 10 points behind 2nd and 9 behind 4th to 5 and 2.
So basically last 10 games
Chelsea - 25 points
Arsenal - 16 points
Liverpool-16 points
Man city-19 points
Tottenham- 23 points
United - 24 points
Last 10 games our form has been better than anyone bar chelsea. if we can continue same over next 10 games we should be doing well enough.
Current form through to near the end would probably have us 3rd. We are now avoiding the silly losses that Arsenal, City & Liverpool have been having. I don't like the lok of this Gabriel Jesus guy though - that might help City to surge a bit once again.
I'd like a few points in hand before the grotty finishing run - expecting 6-7 points from those 3 tough aways is a bit optimistic for me.
I'd like a few points in hand before the grotty finishing run - expecting 6-7 points from those 3 tough aways is a bit optimistic for me.
Wow, Everton have taken an average of two points a game over the last 10 rounds of fixtures.
Really? I searched it and was sure I read a table where we were only 3 points ahead. Maybe I misread, or wrong season. Sorry! Looks like it was 5 points difference, same as now.
https://thechels.co.uk/9999-gameweek-10-2016-17-premier-league-table/
My bad
Edit: Gameweek 11: https://thechels.co.uk/10056-gameweek-11-2016-17-premier-league-table/
From gameweek 11 (week after) we were only 3 points ahead only. So from that point we have gained 2 points.
I noticed that. If they keep that going they could be in the mix too !
Everton to finish top 4 ahead of Liverpool. Jurgen's finest acheivment
We might end up in 8th again.I noticed that. If they keep that going they could be in the mix too !
Everton to finish top 4 ahead of Liverpool. Jurgen's finest acheivment
But we have been ABYSMAL for so long and Mourinho needs to be SACKED!
Really, if it weren't for that gloomy period when we kept drawing games we should have scored 5 in, we would have been talking title race now not top 4 race.
it's beyond annoying that of the 9 games we drew no one could genuinely make a case of how we should not have one them in terms of chances created/missed and general performance. Even if we were very cynical and said that 5 of 9 only (roughly half of them) should have been victories that's 15
points... that would have seen us 1 point ahead of Chelsea as it stands.
highly frustrated. The silver lining is that this could be a repeat of the season Jose came back to Chelsea, he ran them close to winning it and built on it the next season to dominate. I can see that happening now that even though we moan about the missed chances to win when we have some more quality bought in the summer we should be a very good bet to win it.
Edit: should be 10 points, not 15 (behind Chelsea)
points... that would have seen us 1 point ahead of Chelsea as it stands.
highly frustrated. The silver lining is that this could be a repeat of the season Jose came back to Chelsea, he ran them close to winning it and built on it the next season to dominate. I can see that happening now that even though we moan about the missed chances to win when we have some more quality bought in the summer we should be a very good bet to win it.
Edit: should be 10 points, not 15 (behind Chelsea)
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Since you already got 5 points from the draws, the 2+ extra a game would only give you 10 extra points in total.
We're about 10 goals short in the scoring column of the Goal Difference though - which says it's been a systemic failing rather than dashed bad luck that means we aren't chasing down Chelsea.
Also, the very tricky games that are left - are the ones where the GD will likely not be improving so I would conclude that we are where we are because that's where we ought to be, kinda thing,
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There is reason for SOME optimism but there's a long way to go & some VERY difficult games left.
Also, the very tricky games that are left - are the ones where the GD will likely not be improving so I would conclude that we are where we are because that's where we ought to be, kinda thing,
.There is reason for SOME optimism but there's a long way to go & some VERY difficult games left.
It's 10 points more, my friend. Then till 4 points below us
Next season I think United will be challenging for the title untill the end. Jose's
second season records at his clubs have been brilliant.
We're still a small horse.
Maybe now you will need only 75 points to finish in the top 4. Points tally has decreased recently.
Difference after 10 games. 10 points behind 2nd and 9 behind 4th to 5 and 2.
So points gained in the last 10 games:
Chelsea ----> 25
Arsenal ----> 16
Liverpool -----> 16
Man City ------> 19
Tottenham ------> 23
Man Utd --------> 24
Basically confirms that we have been one of the top 3 teams in the last 2-3 months.
Edit: @Maradona10 damm!
We might end up in 8th again.
You'll still give them a tonking in the derby at Anfield though.
Looking at that table, what's also interesting is that our GD has improved considerably (in relative terms).
Difference after 10 games. 10 points behind 2nd and 9 behind 4th to 5 and 2.
Tottenham: +16
Chelsea: +13
United: +12
Arsenal: +5
Liverpool: +5
City: +5
A goal difference of +3 was quite poor after 14 matchweeks, and we put ourselves in a really uncomfortable situation - with an awful lot of catching up to do on multiple fronts, but now - United could well catch up to a couple teams that have more leaky defenses. The improvement is mostly down to the solidity of our backline + De Gea - conceded only 5 goals in the last 10 league games (including the more difficult matches like vs. Tottenham and Liverpool) - while Chelsea and Tottenham have conceded 6, Liverpool 12, Arsenal 14, and City 15. Plus, we haven't conceded more than 1 goal in a league game since the battering at Stamford Bridge in October.
I noticed that. If they keep that going they could be in the mix too !
Everton to finish top 4 ahead of Liverpool. Jurgen's finest acheivment
Can't happen though of course, especially when you factor in the three points Everton are guaranteed to hand to Liverpool at Anfield
You're probably right. Shame though, it would be an epic meltdown
Exactly. We are the form team in the league right now. 24 points out of a possible 30 - how on earth does anyone criticise that? That is title winning form. Yes we had a slow start to the season but there is clear, incontrovertible proof that we have gotten it right and the team has settled!
And still there are some who seem to think that we need to worry about Liverpool? Look at their past 10 games as a statistical guide. They are a team well and truly in melt down. Even their goal difference has been poor. We should stop worrying about Liverpool, they're not a concern for us. The clubs capable of challenging us are Spurs and Chelsea. As such, we should hope for a draw in the Liverpool/Spurs game and certainly NOT a Spurs win.
That would be Chelski - with 25 out of 30 points.
Given your remaining fixtures it's far more realistic to think of finishing in the top 4 than in the top 2, and even top 4 is still going to be a challenge.
I think we need to move on from the draw excuse, every team can point to games they should have won, or moments that could have gone either way.
Don't get brainwashed by Jose.
Yes data don't lie and Utd are top 3 in the last 10 games, beg to doubt you will keep running because of EL duties resuming soon and mostly of your very tough final set of fixtures. Top 4 race will go down to the wire imho.
Ah the old 'remaining fixtures' line.
When we people learn not to look at their remaining games, predicting where the points are going to come from, just take each game as it comes.
Rubbish. That is just wishful thinking from you. We have no need to worry about Liverpool and Arsenal and should rightly be focusing on Spurs and Chelsea. Liverpool and Arsenal are bottlers and they're on a downward spiral. We are not to be put into a category with them. Clearly you are worried about us overtaking you. It's fine, I would be too. Our current form gives rivals plenty of reason to worry.
15 league games unbeaten
Rival fans should make the most of them 6th place jokes while they still can because the reality is United are going to be above Liverpool and probably Arsenal very soon.
Rival fans should make the most of them 6th place jokes while they still can because the reality is United are going to be above Liverpool and probably Arsenal very soon.
Many ways to determine the most in form teams.
Last 9 games:
1 Spurs 23 pts
2 Chelsea 22
3 Man Utd 21
4 Everton 20
5 Man C 19
6 West Ham 18
7 WBA 16
8 Liverpool 15
9 Arsenal 13
Anyway, United look really impressive at the moment, and is the team out of the top 6 I would least like to draw if we get through to the next round of the FA cup. Lot's can still happen and our league position will (like yours) probably be influenced by EL and other games coming in. Liverpool and to a lesser extent Arsenal (once they lose to Bayern) are more free to focus on the league. Lot's left to play for, but you have been playing really well lately.
It's not wishful thinking to know that top 4 is less difficult than top 2 - it's a simple matter of arithmetic.
Given Arsenal's track record of top 4 finishes, it's silly to say that you have no need to worry about them. And to dismiss Liverpool is also way too premature.
The fact is that you still have to even get into the top 4, never mind stay there, and could still be overtaken by Everton.
Bit bullish considering we've been just as big bottlejobs as Liverpool and Arsenal since Fergie retired.
Will have to wash my mouth out with soap after saying this but.......COME ON, LIVERPOOL! BEAT TOTTENHAM!
Not entirely sure I share the optimism of some on here. It was literally less than a week ago that people had completely written off our chances, post Hull.
We should achieve Top 4, but we still require other teams to maintain their poor run, while we also have a resurgent (sort of) Man City ahead of us.
On our day we can beat anyone, but we are equally capable of some absolute howlers. Our performance against the top 6 has been poor at best, shocking at worst and as people have pointed out the fixtures are not easy in the final run in.
We should achieve Top 4, but we still require other teams to maintain their poor run, while we also have a resurgent (sort of) Man City ahead of us.
On our day we can beat anyone, but we are equally capable of some absolute howlers. Our performance against the top 6 has been poor at best, shocking at worst and as people have pointed out the fixtures are not easy in the final run in.
There is a gap of 5 points between #2 and #6 team. There has been a huge churn in forms of various teams. So apart from Chelsea, all teams have a realistic chance of finishing anywhere between #2 and #6. Believing anything else is wishful thinking on your part.
With these sorts of games we're usually better off with a draw. More points lost overall.Will have to wash my mouth out with soap after saying this but.......COME ON, LIVERPOOL! BEAT TOTTENHAM!
He's a Chelsea fan. Don't know why he is bothering though, they have the league title in the bag now.
Oh right. Yeah, if they don't win it now they've only got themselves to blame.
Not quite. Think Spurs will hang around if they manage to get out of Anfield with 3 points.