Transgender rights discussion

WI_Red said:
I think @Sviken is on to something here.

Up until 1920 you didn't see women voting in the US and then along came the media and boom, now they all wanted out of the kitchen and "rights". Same with interracial marriage, no one wanted to mix it up until the liberal commy media got all uppity about laws prohibiting it and then bam, now there are "happy" interracial couples everywhere. And don't get me started with gay people. Like @Sviken said, people are born only man or women so that women, who should still be barefoot in the kitchen, can pump out babies. Anything else is wrong and only appeared a few decades ago because the media said it was cool to be gay.
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The first person I knew was a proffesional collegue who transitioned in 1996. She told me quite clearly that until she started reading Communist Monthly she was quite happy as a man.
 
calodo2003 said:
There’s less than 15 transgender girls who actually signed up for NC sports last year. Infuriatingly bizarre how much effort & venom the right puts into these laws.
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It's because all the right has now is cruelty and venom. There is no policy or platform that they stand for besides greed and cruelty.
 
I can understand trying to work out how professional sports should deal with this, but high school kids? Just let them play on whatever team they want.
 
maniak said:
I can understand trying to work out how professional sports should deal with this, but high school kids? Just let them play on whatever team they want.
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High school sports are where a good deal of college scouting takes place.

On a high school rec team or some such I'd agree with you.
 
Bebe said:
High school sports are where a good deal of college scouting takes place.

On a high school rec team or some such I'd agree with you.
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I think the mental well being of high school kids is much more important than the ridiculous "professionalization" of school sports.
 
Bebe said:
High school sports are where a good deal of college scouting takes place.

On a high school rec team or some such I'd agree with you.
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I’m sure you should be able to point out dozens of instances where someone in HS lost a scholarship due to those evil trans ringers. Right?
 
WI_Red said:
I’m sure you should be able to point out dozens of instances where someone in HS lost a scholarship due to those evil trans ringers. Right?
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Also, the scout would still be able to scout the other athletes, even if he decided to ignore the transgender ones.
 
maniak said:
Also, the scout would still be able to scout the other athletes, even if he decided to ignore the transgender ones.
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That's a fair point, although would the scout then need to have a list of the transgender athletes or something in order to identify that? Which seems like an invasion of those athletes privacy.

maniak said:
I think the mental well being of high school kids is much more important than the ridiculous "professionalization" of school sports.
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Another fair point and I hear you on the professionalization of school sports, but it's somewhat inevitable given the amount of attention we give to professional sports (as the prospects are scouted in high school and college). If you know that a 17 year old is so good at basketball that, when he turns 18, he will walk into a professional basketball contract paying him millions of dollars, I don't see how sports media and such can ignore high school sports (maybe they should ethically, but they're not going to in practice).
 
Bebe said:
That's a fair point, although would the scout then need to have a list of the transgender athletes or something in order to identify that? Which seems like an invasion of those athletes privacy.



Another fair point and I hear you on the professionalization of school sports, but it's somewhat inevitable given the amount of attention we give to professional sports (as the prospects are scouted in high school and college). If you know that a 17 year old is so good at basketball that, when he turns 18, he will walk into a professional basketball contract paying him millions of dollars, I don't see how sports media and such can ignore high school sports (maybe they should ethically, but they're not going to in practice).
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Still waiting on that list of examples of trans athletes stealing scholarships from cis athletes.
 
calodo2003 said:
Jesus fecking christ…

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What does that even mean? Are they going to compile an exhaustive list of what's appropriate for males and females?
I'd like all men to start showing up in kilts and kaftans.
 
Maagge said:
What does that even mean? Are they going to compile an exhaustive list of what's appropriate for males and females?
I'd like all men to start showing up in kilts and kaftans.
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No doubt there will be some inverse 'I know it when I see it' logic taking place in HR.
 
Bebe said:
That's a fair point, although would the scout then need to have a list of the transgender athletes or something in order to identify that? Which seems like an invasion of those athletes privacy.
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I would still prioritize the mental well being of students. If it makes life harder for a scout, then that's a small price to pay.


Bebe said:
Another fair point and I hear you on the professionalization of school sports, but it's somewhat inevitable given the amount of attention we give to professional sports (as the prospects are scouted in high school and college). If you know that a 17 year old is so good at basketball that, when he turns 18, he will walk into a professional basketball contract paying him millions of dollars, I don't see how sports media and such can ignore high school sports (maybe they should ethically, but they're not going to in practice).
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But why would the fact one of the members of that basketball team is transgender influence the chances of another athlete to make it pro? I don't see the connection, but even if there's some theoretical issue, personally I would prioritize the kids and not the eventual pro teams looking for future players.
 
Bebe said:
I didn't respond to your comment because I felt it was an aggressive, strawman challenge to my rather tame comment.
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It's not though. The basis for all of these laws is the same sort of argument you are making, that a flood of boys are going to become "trans" just so they can dominate girls sports and therefore deprive deserving girls athletic opportunities. My question was challenging that notion. If trans athletes in HS are really a threat to cis girl athletes getting recognized by college scouts it should not be a challenge to identify those cases.
 
calodo2003 said:
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Folk who have taken 10+ years just to be considered base level qualified in their field versus someone who uses shit analogies... Tough one...
 
calodo2003 said:
Oh just feck right off…

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To be fair they can't have anyone who might arguably have sympathy directed towards transgender people being involved in this debate. It's best to remain impartial and quote the words of Jebus and how being transgender is a sin, or some shite like that.
 
I just can't get over someone rather their child kill themselves than have gender-affirming care. It sickens me when people allow bigotry to overide love when it comes to family, especially their own kids.
 
Schmiznurf said:
I just can't get over someone rather their child kill themselves than have gender-affirming care. It sickens me when people allow bigotry to overide love when it comes to family, especially their own kids.
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It's not bigotry that's ruling their minds, it's believing in a fairy tale.
 
calodo2003 said:
It's not bigotry that's ruling their minds, it's believing in a fairy tale.
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It’s even more basic than that. It’s not truly about religion, it’s about a lack of empathy and compassion. Religion is what they use to justify and excuse their rotten core. I have know truly awful and bigoted Christian’s and equally awful and bigoted atheists. It’s the human who is the problem, not their excuse.
 
WI_Red said:
It’s even more basic than that. It’s not truly about religion, it’s about a lack of empathy and compassion. Religion is what they use to justify and excuse their rotten core. I have know truly awful and bigoted Christian’s and equally awful and bigoted atheists. It’s the human who is the problem, not their excuse.
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Thanks for drilling down, you are spot on.
 
Montana Governor Signs Gender-Affirming Care Ban Despite Nonbinary Son's Pleas

Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte has signed into law a bill banning gender-affirming care for transgender minors.
Gianforte, a Republican, signed the legislation Friday, and it is scheduled to take effect October 1, the Montana Free Press reports. He supported the measure over objections from his gay nonbinary son, David Gianforte.

The Human Rights Campaign termed the measure “draconian” and said it was made worse than its original version because of amendments requested by the Republican governor. Senate Bill 99 “is a wide-ranging bill that would make it effectively impossible for health care practitioners to provide age-appropriate, best practice, gender affirming care to transgender youth,” says an HRC press release. “It would also forbid state employees who work with minors from ‘promoting’ treatment for gender dysphoria, chilling the ability of educators, public health workers, child care workers, and employees of state medical facilities to be able to do their job. Recipients of Montana Medicaid and the CHIP program will not be able to receive coverage for gender-affirming care.”
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In March, he decided to talk to his father about the pending bills. He set up a formal meeting, and David read a statement that he also provided to the Free Press: “Hey Dad. Thanks for setting aside time to meet with me, it means a lot to me. There are a lot of important issues passing through the legislature right now. For my own sake I’ve chosen to focus primarily on transgender rights, as that would significantly directly affect a number of my friends … I would like to make the argument that these bills are immoral, unjust, and frankly a violation of human rights.”

“I do have a family relationship with my father that I’m trying to preserve,” David, the second of four Gianforte children, told the Free Press. “I felt that the best way to go about this would be to reach out to him in a more formal manner. And he was very willing to meet with me.”
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It is hard enough being LGBT in these red states especially, with relentless culture war attacks and laws aimed at them. Being demonized and having your identity challenged and attacked even as the individual struggles to realize who they are themselves. Then you have the people that should be there to help you figure it all out, your own parents actively coming after you with punitive draconian laws. I mean his own father is the governor and he begged him to veto it. These people are disgusting, when they would rather see their children suffer and be maligned and made out to be some "grooming" , potential bathroom stalkers or whatever their silly narrative is to just attack LGBT.

Trans issues are getting the highlight right now. But, these people have made no secret that they will circle back on punitive attempts on all LGBT if allowed.
 
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