Better to assess him over the course of the next five months in my opinion and then make a decision whether to bid for him in January. We don't want another Hargreaves scenario and signing the right midfielder is vital.
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I think we'll wait until he proves his fitness. That's the sensible thing to do. The dilemma might arise if towards the end of August he starts playing in friendlies and looks fine. That article says he won't so that might be too soon.
I personally don't think it's a given Roma will sell in January if he's playing well and they're competing for honours. So if he can prove his fitness enough by the end of August, it'll be interested to see if we take a gamble and put a bid in or potentially wait another year.
I get the impression he is the player van Gaal really wants in midfield from hearing him talking about him previously.
Roma has had a very good transfer window so far, and with Juve loosing Conte I could see them fighting for Scudetto. So I dont think they'll sell one of their most important players in the middle of the season.
100% agree. I think where Strootman is concerned it's a choice between taking a bit of a risk at the end of this window if he looks close to fitness or we'll be waiting another year for him.
I'm not convinced January will be an option.
That 3-5-2 knocking about looks more like 5-3-2 with wing backs. Mancini tried three at the back at City and failed.
If LVG is playing the 5-3-2 system, he obviously does not rate our defensive options. Interesting, I can see us spending big on centre backs.
If LVG is playing the 5-3-2 system, he obviously does not rate our defensive options. Interesting, I can see us spending big on centre backs.
Good news. The bid should still be in January if we do want him.
Could just as easily be a 4231 with Smalling RB, Mata at No 10, Tony and Welbeck wide.
Would be fascinating to see LVG switching between a back 3 and back 4 midgame.
The two are borderline inseparable and with the look of the line up, it could just as easily tansition into a 4-3-3 experiment with Valencia playing right of a midfield 3.
He prob wants to accomodate both Mata, Kagawa, Herrera, Cleverley and Fletcher.
That's more than two.
"but he Barcelona" and "you will never Chelsea" are absolutely brilliant 
. I remember around april after the Chelsea vs Liverpool game there was talk of a Chelsea fan spitting at a Hillsborough plaque or something which caused a riot between the fans and somebody wrote on twitter something like " did a Chelsea fan spit at the memorial, I seen they did". We need a thread or something for such things or at least my easily amused mind does.
. I remember around april after the Chelsea vs Liverpool game there was talk of a Chelsea fan spitting at a Hillsborough plaque or something which caused a riot between the fans and somebody wrote on twitter something like " did a Chelsea fan spit at the memorial, I seen they did". We need a thread or something for such things or at least my easily amused mind does.Translation: The column of Manuel of Tezanos: The United, are not satisfied until they sign Vidal.
It says something about going to United being a right thing, next step and he will surely succeed at United.
"but he Barcelona" and "you will never Chelsea" are absolutely brilliant
Don't remember seeing that Chelsea one.
For those wondering, this isn't actually an article focusing on wether Vidal will move or not, it's focusing on how statistics about Vidal are used, and how they doesn't paint the full picture.
However the author (Manuel de Tezanos, who from what i know is one of a the more 'serious' journalists in South America) manages to sneak in a few big hints:
- Following his imminent departure from Juventus, comparisons are being made between him, Kroos and Fellaini to convince Manchester United fans that they will be hiring a ''crack'' (guess that translates into something like 'a skillful player')
- From there on it goes on to talking about what kind of player Vidal is, saying that labeling him as a ''midfielder'' is unfair to his qualities
- Talks about why the move would be attractive to Vidal, naming the departure of Conte, unlikelihood of Vidal achieving more with Juventus after winning Serie A 3 times in a row
- Ends the article by saying that it's ''The next step'' and also claims that bringing Manchester United back to glory is in the stars of Arturo Vidal
Not necessarily, although he's using Welbeck at the moment, presumably RVP would come straight in and that approach allows both Rooney and RVP to push right up and play how they want to play and then let Mata play how he wants too. It doesn't have to be an issue with the defensive options and in reality he might have been considering putting Carrick as one of the three but injury has ruled him out, still Evans has the capability to push up a bit when we're dominating with his range.
A Chelsea fan ( I think he was at least) tweeted shaw "you will never Chelsea" after he signed for united. His twitter handle was tekkabooson or something like that.Don't remember seeing that Chelsea one.
Good news.
Is that wishful thinking - think it says: United, a challenge Vidal has the measure of
That's odd. He is neither ball playing defender or Suited to the High Line Pochettino usually wants.
Not a fan of that, would prefer if he adapted the 4-3-3, Holland were effective but played some boring football at times.
3-5-2 will allow him to fit in a lot of attacking players so he can find out who's staying and who's going out quicker.
It's pre-season and he is going to try various formations.
So I don't know why people are saying they not a fan of that or that.
I dont think it'll work that well tbh. Correct me if im wrong but 3-5-2 is a counter attacking formation and isn't really suited for much / anything else.
Its a nice idea for fitting in rooney, van persie and mata in but theres not enough pace between them to be much of a threat on the break really is there?
I think if you start throwing januzaj or whatever in there it pretty much defeats the purpose of playing the formation doesn't it?
Exactly. I don't think it's going to be used a lot. It's an easy way to analyse a lot of players effectively, which he's trying to do.
Juventus have used 352 and are able to break teams down that sit deep and also move on the counter. I guess Pirlo makes both a bit easier.
Waauw, am I being criticised for expressing a personal opinion now?
God this whole Vidal thing is really getting tedious. If we hadn't missed out on so many top players in recent seasons then i wouldn't be that bothered with how long its taking but you just don't want to invest too much muppetry into him when you know there is a good chance it won't happen.
Liverpool played 3-5-2 at times last season and still scored and conceded plenty of goals. Though they had more pace upfront admittedly.
3 - 5 - 2 doesn't need to be defensively necessarily if you have the players to be attacking. The defense if it goes high on a 3-5-2 becomes susceptible to counters though unless they are totally on their game.
3 - 5 - 2 doesn't need to be defensively necessarily if you have the players to be attacking. The defense if it goes high on a 3-5-2 becomes susceptible to counters though unless they are totally on their game.
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