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:lol: Yeah like that would happen, if Arsenal try to drive any sort of hard bargain for Vermaelen we should just tell them to stick it. Good player but not worth haggling over.


Wenger can feck off
 
John Cross has written that too who is generally out of the More linked Arsenal journos.

I am getting slightly worried about these Vermaelen links now. Don't want him as it is and if we give them Smalling or Jones as well it would be Lunacy.
 
Wasn't he top Portugese scorer in the Portugese league?

Yeah but that's not saying much considering we have an abundance of poor established strikers & wingers for the most part, he did do well though but he's no chance of making it here, dunno why people are bothered about letting him go.
 
John Cross is only liked by Arsenal fans. He's far too biased.
 
Wasn't he top Portugese scorer in the Portugese league?
When you look at the quality of strikers Portugal have and plus the number of decent Portugese players playing in Portugal, that really really is not a big feat.
 
Do United ever deny rumours? Im seeing the likes of Bayern/Barca etc alreays saying no we wont signing player A or player A isn't in our plans. United? nearly everyone is linked to us and we never get an official saying otherwise.
 
Do United ever deny rumours? Im seeing the likes of Bayern/Barca etc alreays saying no we wont signing player A or player A isn't in our plans. United? nearly everyone is linked to us and we never get an official saying otherwise.
Does it matter? Woodward says last year we got linked to over 200 players. You want a denial every time the paper links us with somebody?
 
Do United ever deny rumours? Im seeing the likes of Bayern/Barca etc alreays saying no we wont signing player A or player A isn't in our plans. United? nearly everyone is linked to us and we never get an official saying otherwise.

if we started denying each one, we would just be linked with more until eventually the press hit upon one we are actually pursuing and we wont be able to deny it, thereby letting the cat out of the bag. Much better off saying nothing.
 
Fergie denied the De Gea rumours, and then signed him a week later......
I thought Fergie came out to the press that we was close to signing him? And that was said before De Gea went to the Euro's.
 
Sir Alex used to deny some rumors, confirm some, give ambiguous answers to some or no comment them.. depending on his mood basically or strategy.

Van Gaal or Woodward so far haven't been asked specifically about any players. Will be interesting how Van Gaal hadles them.
 
The point was under Sir Alex we balanced bringing in players through the academy, developing young players bought from outside and also being succesful more than Madrid in last decade or so in a richer and more competitive league with higher standards now after Oil money.

I don't wanna debate the merits of Cleverley here but he is definitely good enough to be a squad player at United and was better than what he has been last year or so. As for Madrid, Jese is pretty good talent and so is Isco and Illaramendi who they spunked so much cash on last summer and Di Maria just had his best season for them in a crucial tactical role. But they went and spunked money on Kroos and Rodriguez both who will now block these and in Rodriguez' case aren't necessarily that much better either. 1 or 2 times, this could be understood in special circumstances and even more so if the players were really young but they do it season after season and it's basically their policy.

Jese is injured right now but will end up leaving next year or so. Morata has already left for Juve. Carvajal is basically the only one and he came back because he was cheap on buyback for a defender and they wanted to spend on Bale + Isco/Illaramendi.

Madrid have a similar model in terms of spending big on young Spanish talent like Ramos, Isco, Illara etc just as we try to do with the likes of Rooney, Rio and Shaw. I bet everyone would be attacking Real if they spent £27m on a young Spanish full-back.

The only difference is that when they are not putting the likes of Jese, Morata, Cassillas, Carvajal, Raul etc in there team, they choose to add Ronaldos and Bales ad opposed to Youngs and Valencias. This is the right model. Our success has gotten us off the hook recently for recruiting players that never had any business being at United. We sign Ashley Young, so we're cooler than Real Madrid who wouldn't ever sign Ashley Young?

They are definitely more lavish than us, but if you can afford it, I don't see why a team would intentionally go into the market to buy sub-standard footballers. I will never get it. It is some sort of trying to be cool or different thing. Unless we are financially challenged, why on earth would a team sell Ronaldo and buy Valencia instead of say, Ribery? logically, it makes no sense. A team should not be criticised for buying top players. Real should only be criticised for buying the ones they don't need, but not for buying Bale instead of Young when they decide they want a winger. Why wouldn't they?
 

Bild: Even w/ a significantly higher offer from MUFC, "0.0%" chance of BVB selling Hummels. Klopp & Mats' dad agree, not going to happen
 
Madrid have a similar model in terms of spending big on young Spanish talent like Ramos, Isco, Illara etc just as we try to do with the likes of Rooney, Rio and Shaw. I bet everyone would be attacking Real if they spent £27m on a young Spanish full-back.

The only difference is that when they are not putting the likes of Jese, Morata, Cassillas, Carvajal, Raul etc in there team, they choose to add Ronaldos and Bales ad opposed to Youngs and Valencias. This is the right model. Our success has gotten us off the hook recently for recruiting players that never had any business being at United. We sign Ashley Young, so we're cooler than Real Madrid who wouldn't ever sign Ashley Young?

They are definitely more lavish than us, but if you can afford it, I don't see why a team would intentionally go into the market to buy sub-standard footballers. I will never get it. It is some sort of trying to be cool or different thing. Unless we are financially challenged, why on earth would a team sell Ronaldo and buy Valencia instead of say, Ribery? logically, it makes no sense. A team should not be criticised for buying top players. Real should only be criticised for buying the ones they don't need, but not for buying Bale instead of Young when they decide they want a winger. Why wouldn't they?

Not sure what Young, Valencia, Nani or whoever have got to do with the initial point. You are quite clearly trying to shift goalposts now and still you're point isn't Valid as Madrid didn't have Young starting for them.

Anyway, i've already explained myself and the clear point i was making above as much as i can (most of which you have just ignored above), and don't intend to argue something on a different tangent which this post is taking. Not that the right thread either so got to agree to disagree.
 
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Manchester United are prepared to offer €50m (£39.5m) for Arturo Vidal with a salary of €6m (£4.7m) per season. [Tuttosport] #MUFC
 
So who do you suggest we pursue then?
Vidal (purely because Juvrntus have not been emphatic about him and the player himself seemingly open to leaving... whilst the likes of Madrid and co seem busy with other targets), de Jong, Vermaelen or de Vrij.
 

Manchester United are prepared to offer €50m (£39.5m) for Arturo Vidal with a salary of €6m (£4.7m) per season. [Tuttosport] #MUFC

Instead of 'preparing' to offer, why don't we just offer?, or am i looking at it too easily lol
 
Madrid have a similar model in terms of spending big on young Spanish talent like Ramos, Isco, Illara etc just as we try to do with the likes of Rooney, Rio and Shaw. I bet everyone would be attacking Real if they spent £27m on a young Spanish full-back.

The only difference is that when they are not putting the likes of Jese, Morata, Cassillas, Carvajal, Raul etc in there team, they choose to add Ronaldos and Bales ad opposed to Youngs and Valencias. This is the right model. Our success has gotten us off the hook recently for recruiting players that never had any business being at United. We sign Ashley Young, so we're cooler than Real Madrid who wouldn't ever sign Ashley Young?

They are definitely more lavish than us, but if you can afford it, I don't see why a team would intentionally go into the market to buy sub-standard footballers. I will never get it. It is some sort of trying to be cool or different thing. Unless we are financially challenged, why on earth would a team sell Ronaldo and buy Valencia instead of say, Ribery? logically, it makes no sense. A team should not be criticised for buying top players. Real should only be criticised for buying the ones they don't need, but not for buying Bale instead of Young when they decide they want a winger. Why wouldn't they?

I agree. Take away the dubious ways they are funded at least they buy quality. They replace quality with equal or better quality.

We have had our hands tied behind our backs due to the Glazers but we have missed out on targets due to fees not being met or wages/agent demands also not being met. Yes this will help our bank balance and wage structure but it will obviously have a detrimental effect on the teams chances of winning major trophies.
We have signed some average players for sure in the past and got away with it due to SAFs leadership and great players like Ronaldo and RvP almost single handily winning us trophies. Unfortunately for Moyes he was sh1t and even our very few top players all under performed. Never mind his one and only summer signing.

Now is the time to actually flex our muscle (Chevrolet and pending adidas deal) and buy proven talent - we did this to a degree with Mata although we were not lacking in number 10s.
Herrera is a very good buy but we 100% need another quality midfielder and CB if we are to challenge in our own league. Then a couple of other players to challenge again in Europe the following season (hopefully LvG gets us there).
Unfortunately LvG will not turn average players into great ones so for me there is no hope for the likes of Cleverley, Fletcher, Fellaini, Young, Anderson etc
I'm still optimistic that we will make some top signings in this window and the next two and yes that may mean we have to spend very big but who cares, this club needs to be in the elite of world football. At the moment we are only in it commercially.

Saying all that I still f*cking hate Real Madrid with a passion!
 

Manchester United are prepared to offer €50m (£39.5m) for Arturo Vidal with a salary of €6m (£4.7m) per season. [Tuttosport] #MUFC


:lol: We've apparently been preparing a bid for over a month now. I got images of Woody cracking open every piggy bank and looking under the sofa to gather every penny he can.
 
Yeah, who'd want two class players at the club.

Well judging from the Reus thread, a lot of fans would prefer the smallings and Jones of this world rather than the Hummels. Romantic tradition and all that.
 
I'm sure Tuttosport said a deal was done. These outlets are so clearly bullshitters.
 
Instead of 'preparing' to offer, why don't we just offer?, or am i looking at it too easily lol

Saying we are "prepared" to offer is different from saying we are "preparing" to offer.

Prepared is much more concrete, in my opinion.
 
Urgh i just hope that when Vidal gets back from holiday, this is all sorted quickly whether we get im or not. Our transfers are too tedious at times.
 
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