UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)

He wants us to explain in detail where he went wrong?

feck off.
 
These riots aren't taking place in leafy suburbs but the poor inner cities with poor state schools and no working opportunities. My take on this is that this is a [small] sample of the working class underbelly of modern society behind most of these riots. They aren't educated or hardworking or determined enough to get on the job ladder. They live on benefits and have no concept of working to support yourself, particularly if they've come from broken families with absent or similarly feckless parents unable to instill this in them.

I don't buy into this "the wealthy elite has oppressed the working classes forcing them to riot" nonsense. You've got a bunch of hooligans burning shit and stealing shit randomly. They're not ransacking symbolic places, they're breaking into JD sports and stealing a pair of trainers they like. The total disregard for property and order is a result of these people not having any personal investment in society; they're used to taking and taking without giving anything back.

As nearly always with crime it's the poor, the weak, those who who can't defend themselves that suffer from crime the most. I've been a hawk on crime and punishment in the CE forum since I joined the cafe, but it's seriously hard work getting across to some that I'm a hawk because I want to defend the victims of crime and not because I enjoy seeing people punished. That should be the starting point, will a measure reduce the number of vicims or not? if yes, do it.
 
A defiant grandmother stood like a beacon of hope amid the wreckage of Wolverhampton city centre.

Courageous Louise Johnson refused to move from outside her hairdressing salon as scores of rioters rampaged down Queen Street looting stores.

http://www.expressandstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/WD4068774.jpgThe 52-year-old mother-of-four who has five grandchildren, faced the baying mob with arms outstretched as they threatened to destroy her business.

As police in riot gear watched motionless from either end of the street she screamed: “You are not having my shop.”

Amazingly, they did what they were told and left Louise’s Hair Salon untouched while wrecking other stores on either side of it.

Miss Johnson, who has run the salon for almost two years, admitted afterwards: “It was like being in a war zone but I had no intention of letting them wreck everything I had worked so hard to build up.

“I spoke to them in language they understood. They are animals and I addressed them like animals.

“I just put my arms out wide with my hands held in the air and said words to the effect of ‘you are not having my shop.’

“I have worked too hard to let it be wrecked by people like that. My legs ache because I spend so long on my feet each day cutting hair.

“Some of that mob were kids. They looked no more than 12. The oldest was probably aged 20. Some of the girls were more vicious than the boys.
Miss Johnson, who lives in Field Street, Heath Town, said: “I saw girls with hammers in their handbags. They just took the hammers out, cool as you like, and used them to smash the windows of shops that were then looted.

“Meanwhile the police were just standing at the end of the road doing nothing. I could hardly believe my eyes. If I had done nothing then my shop would have been ransacked like the others.

“I was not moving. I was prepared to die with the salon and I think the rioters realised that. They must have seen it in my eyes. I meant every word of what I said.

“They came down Queen Street like something you would see in Zulu. There seemed to be hundreds of them. They had gone mad. They had iron bars.

“No way in hell I am having these kids destroy my business. They could have killed me but I did not care because I wanted to protect what was mine.

“I was not frightened at the time but the stress hit me when I got home last night. I broke down and had a good cry.”

Miss Johnson, who brought up her four children as a single mother and was back at work as usual today, said: “I have lived in Heath Town for the last 36 years and it was not easy but I managed. I brought them up with little but with manners. I believe that if you do not have manners and respect for others, you are finished.

“There is no excuse for the way that mob behaved last night. They were not making a political point it was just crime for crime’s sake. They were looting and vandalising for kicks.

“They were hyped up. It was just a bit of excitement for them but they were destroying the livelihoods of decent people in the process.

“They were shocked by the language I used when telling them off. I said that I was using those words because they were the only ones they would understand.

“If they come back again I will stand outside the shop. I am not leaving. If I had not stood outside yesterday they would have destroyed it.”



Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2011/08/10/brave-louise-sees-off-yobs/#ixzz1UdHvqtc4



Well done to this Woman for standing up and defending her salon
 
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I genuinely have a mind to join that forum, just to explain, in minute and explicit detail, exactly where he's gone wrong.

Staring with his nonsense about black boroughs.

Only a wigger would do that!
 
They cut him whilst he was in full flow!
 

I tried...I wrote a long post, posted it, and then it didn't show up. Posted another, smaller one telling him that Haringey is even whiter than Lambeth (after someone else had pointed out my point about my area) with 65% white majority, and that didn't show up either...

I'm giving up now.
 
plans in place now for water cannons to be available, nice we needed that monday night so its only 2 days too late then

im fecking drained though, mentally shattered and i have 2 more shifts to go :(
 
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Sky Sources: Nobody appearing at Croydon Magistrates today has been granted bail

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Police have identified one suspect seen on CCTV mugging injured boy during riots.

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by MirrorDarren
I have covered magistrates courts for many years and I have never seen a judge been so harsh as today.

Excellent :D
 
SkyNewsBreak Sky News Newsdesk
Sky Sources: Nobody appearing at Croydon Magistrates today has been granted bail

SkyNewsBreak Sky News Newsdesk
Police have identified one suspect seen on CCTV mugging injured boy during riots.

SkyNewsOlympic Lia Hervey
by MirrorDarren
I have covered magistrates courts for many years and I have never seen a judge been so harsh as today.

Excellent :D

Brilliant, give them all the maximum penalty.
 
SkyNewsBreak Sky News Newsdesk
Sky Sources: Nobody appearing at Croydon Magistrates today has been granted bail

SkyNewsBreak Sky News Newsdesk
Police have identified one suspect seen on CCTV mugging injured boy during riots.

SkyNewsOlympic Lia Hervey
by MirrorDarren
I have covered magistrates courts for many years and I have never seen a judge been so harsh as today.

Excellent :D

Good to hear.
 
All from Sky News website

Trainee dental nurse Laura Cook, 19, broke down in court after hearing she will be remanded in custody after pleading not guilty to burg ...

Her lawyer said Ms Cook will miss an exam next Monday which could further her career.

All have jobs and loving families. Their mothers weeping openly at the back of court

are we meant to feel sorry for these people?
 
Anyone else think the delay in strong police action is a tactic in order to be alot more heavy handed in the future? Like a "look what happens when you criticise us?".
Its just mind boggling to see what people have got away with and police and pm's response being "er, oh we'll arrest you at a later date".
And its no coincidence when David Cameron arrives back in England that the police presence is stepped up, no reason that measure could not have been taken on the days ago with a simple phone call from the comfort of his hotel room.

A lot of people asking these same questions...
 
All from Sky News website

Trainee dental nurse Laura Cook, 19, broke down in court after hearing she will be remanded in custody after pleading not guilty to burg ...

Her lawyer said Ms Cook will miss an exam next Monday which could further her career.

All have jobs and loving families. Their mothers weeping openly at the back of court

are we meant to feel sorry for these people?

The feck? She figured she'd feck up and then say 'I is sorry' and all would be well?