United 1-1 Porto.....9/3/04.....CL

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United v Porto.....9/3/04.....CL

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It really is make or break time now... come on United! :devil:

---------------Howard---------------
--Gazz----O'Shea----Silves----Phil---
--Cris-------Butt----Scholes---Giggs-
-----------Saha------Ruud-----------
 
4-4-2

- - - - - - - - Howard - - - - - - - -

Gary - - Oshea - - Silvestre - - Fortune

Ronaldo - - Phil - - Scholes - - Giggs

- - - - - - Saha - - Ruud - - - - - -


Bench:
Carrol
Brown
Djemba
Butt
Fletch
Ole
Bellion

outsider: Forlan


Rio is banned
Keane is suspended
Silvestre has been reported as been close to come back for this match, if not then Brown in for him
If Fortune is still out then move Phil into LB and Butt into the centre or maybe even djemba.


4-5-1

- - - - - - - - Howard - - - - - - - -

Gary - - Oshea - - Silvestre - - Fortune

- - - - - - Phil - - - Butt - - - - - -

Ronaldo - - - - Scholes - - - -Giggs

- - - - - - - - Ruud - - - - - - - -

Bench:
Carrol
Brown
Djemba
Fletcher
Saha
Bellion
Ole

outsider: Forlan
 
Saha has been brilliant, but I just think that we need 5 in the midfield because that's where this game will be won as Porto are extremely strong in midfield. I'd also start with a centre back pairing of O'Shea and Silvestre as O'Shea gives us more height back there. Phil at left back to deal with that Alberto lad.


--------------Howard---------------

Gary----O'Shea----Silvestre----Phil

---------Djemba---Fletcher---------

Ronaldo-------Scholes---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------
 
jayjay said:
Saha has been brilliant, but I just think that we need 5 in the midfield because that's where this game will be won as Porto are extremely strong in midfield. I'd also start with a centre back pairing of O'Shea and Silvestre as O'Shea gives us more height back there. Phil at left back to deal with that Alberto lad.


--------------Howard---------------

Gary----O'Shea----Silvestre----Phil

---------Djemba---Fletcher---------

Ronaldo-------Scholes---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------
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Doesnt Fletcher prefer more of an attacking role in CM ? i didnt see the FA Cup QF so i cant judge whether he can defend well or not.
 
Hmm...I think we will probably play 4-5-1, we had Keane in midfield in the 1st leg and still got over-run, so playing just 2 in the centre, one of which being Scholes who cant tackle for s*ite, would be suicidal.

----------------Howard----------------
G.Neville----Wes-----Mickey----O'Shea---
---------------Djemba------------------
Ronaldo-Fletch---Scholes------Giggs-----
--------------RvN-----------------------

Basically, you get Djemba by the ear and say: "Right lad, you sit right up Decos arse for the following 90 minutes"...

If things go badly then we can bring on Saha, his pace could be an even bigger asset against the tired legs of Costa and Costinha (is it?).

Come on Reds...
 
im with Van Nistelrater but i think he will play


------Howard
Gary Brown Silv O'Shea
Ron Butt scholes giggs
----Saha Ruud
 
--------------Howard---------------

GNeville---Brown---Silvestre---O'Shea

--------Djemba2--Kleberson--------

CRonaldo-------Scholes---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------
 
Gazza said:
--------------Howard---------------

GNeville---Brown---Silvestre---O'Shea

--------Djemba2--Kleberson--------

CRonaldo-------Scholes---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------
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he'll never play djemba2 and klebby together in the engine-room of mid midfield. last time he did was the early prem game vs wolves, and they looked awful.
i'd like to see djdj on at some time , but i think he'll start with butty.
he MUST play 2 strijers, so rvn +louis i think
 
this is the team i think he'll put out:

------------Howard--------------

gazza----wes-----mickey(is he fit?)----jos

ronaldo----phil----scholes----giggs

--------ruud--------saha---------

i don't think he'll play fletch and scholes together for this very important match, SAF might even go a bit more defensive taking into account 2 strikers and a not so tough tackling midfield and play phil and butt in CM and scholes on right instead of ronaldo. I hope not though,I reckon Ronnie is going to have a cracking game against his fellow countrymen at OT, he'll be well up for it.
 
Bring it on. Will you come back if you lose ? :smirk:
 
VanNistlerater said:
Hmm...I think we will probably play 4-5-1, we had Keane in midfield in the 1st leg and still got over-run, so playing just 2 in the centre, one of which being Scholes who cant tackle for s*ite, would be suicidal.

----------------Howard----------------
G.Neville----Wes-----Mickey----O'Shea---
---------------Djemba------------------
Ronaldo-Fletch---Scholes------Giggs-----
--------------RvN-----------------------

Basically, you get Djemba by the ear and say: "Right lad, you sit right up Decos arse for the following 90 minutes"...

If things go badly then we can bring on Saha, his pace could be an even bigger asset against the tired legs of Costa and Costinha (is it?).

Come on Reds...
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Where's Phil ? SAF will play Phil in place of Djemba in your lineup. I like Phil's urgency, reminds me of Beckham. Butt is not playing well and contributed little. He's like a tourist !
 
jayjay said:
--------------Howard---------------

Gary----O'Shea----Silvestre----Phil

---------Djemba---Fletcher---------

Ronaldo-------Scholes---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------
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Really nice formation indeed. 4-2-3-1 :)
 
Cal said:
It really is make or break time now... come on United! :devil:

---------------Howard---------------
--Gazz----O'Shea----Silves----Phil---
--Cris-------Butt----Scholes---Giggs-
-----------Saha------Ruud-----------
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Agreed. A very attack minded formation - let's set out to rip into them from the outset - we want at least a couple in the first half to calm the nerves!!
 
With Silvestre questionable and Keane out, this will be a tough one to pull out. I think both Saha and RVN should start this one up front. Firstly, it will put more pressure on their defence. Secondly, it will allow Scholes a more prominant place in midfield. With Keane out of the match, I believe this is important. This way Phil Neville can play in place of Keane and have Giggs and Ronaldo on the flanks. I assume that OGS will be available on the bench. Wes has to raise his game. We can't afford a blunder. JOS and Gary Neville can handle the FB positions. Oh, yeah! Tim Howard in goal! Huge match! :devil:
 
jayjay said:
--------------Howard---------------

Gary----O'Shea----Silvestre----Phil

---------Djemba---Fletcher---------

Ronaldo-------Scholes---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------
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This would also be my team (although I would consider putting Gary in the middle because he's a talker and a good organiser.) After the first leg, I thought we should go for an all out attacking formation Tuesday night. I'm not so sure anymore. I was reading the comments by Porto about how skilled they are at keeping possesssion and how we can't damage them if we don't have the ball. When you think about the first leg, they do have a point. I think our typtical 4-2-3-1 formation with the players we utilise is too defensive. But I think with the players above, there's a nice balance.

This will be stronger going forward than the first leg simply by vitue of having Ronaldo start, Scholesy playing in his natural position. You also have another creative force in Fletcher. I would also be counting on Fletcher as being one of the players who wouldn't give the ball away cheaply, that he can put in 2 good performances in a row. I know he's young and inexperienced, but when you consider how he played for Scotland against Holland, where RVN called him the best player on the pitch in that first leg, I don't think the occasion's too big for him. Nicky's done okay but he hasn't been that convincing for me recently. Djemba Djemba plays with a lot more controlled aggression, seems to have more strength, and I think his distribution is better. Although I know playing Djemba-Djemba is a risk, I'd give it a go.
 
We need to attack them early. Obviously I don't mean throw everyone forward right from the off, but we need to establish a fast pace and make Porto work for every pass.
Without Keane we are missing a natural driving force, this could/should be provided by the inclusion of Eric Djemba Djemba. He look like a natural tough tackling midfielder with the instincts to go forward when needed.
I agree with those who've said about playing Fletcher in the middle as well, thought he had a much beeter game against Fulham on Saturday than in previous weeks.

Ronaldo and Giggs can provide threats from both flanks and with Ruud looking a bit fresher in the middle we should have engough to be in the draw for the next round.

If we can score early, i think Porto might crumble a bit and we should be able to hit them on the counter-attack. I can't see them really coming at us unless they have to.
 
Manchester United v Porto - statbox



LONDON, March 8 (Reuters) - Statbox for the Champions League first knockout round, second leg tie between Manchester United (England) and Porto (Portugal) on Tuesday:

Kickoff time: 1945 GMT, Old Trafford.

Head-to-head record


Played: 5

Wins: Manchester United 2, Porto 2

Draws: 1

Previous meetings

Cup Winners Cup 2nd round 1977-78

Porto 4 Manchester United 0

Manchester United 5 Porto 2

Champions League quarter-final 1996-97

Manchester United 4 Porto 0

Porto 0 Manchester United 0

Champions League first knockout round 2003-04

Porto 2 Manchester United 1

Manchester United

Last six European home matches: WDWWWW
Last home defeat: 2-3 v Deportivo Coruna, CL, 27/10/01
(17 matches since - won 14 drew 3)

Leading CL scorer in current squad: Ruud van Nistelrooy 34
(including 8 for PSV Eindhoven)

Leading European scorer for United in squad: Van Nistelrooy 28
All-time leading scorer: Denis Law/Van Nistelrooy 28

Coach: Alex Ferguson

Record v Portuguese clubs: P12 W8 D1 L3 F32 A18
Home to Portuguese clubs: P5 W5 D0 L0 F19 A5
CL/European Cup appearances: 15
Quarter-finals: 12
Semi-finals: 8
Finals: 2
Champions: 2

Champions League
Group phase
H v Panathinaikos (Greece) 5-0 Silvestre, Fortune,
Solskjaer, Butt, Djemba-Djemba
A v VfB Stuttgart (Germany) 1-2 Van Nistelrooy pen
A v Rangers (Scotland) 1-0 Neville P
H v Rangers 3-0 Forlan, Van Nistelrooy 2
A v Panathinaikos 1-0 Forlan
H v VfB Stuttgart 2-0 Van Nistelrooy, Giggs

First knockout round
A v Porto (Portugal) 1-2 Fortune
P7 W5 D0 L2 F14 A4
Curious fact: United have a great home record against Portuguese teams, winning five out of five at Old Trafford and scoring 19 goals in the process. That includes 5-2 and 4-0 victories over Porto.


Porto
Last six European away matches: DWDDWD
Last away win: 3-2 v Olympique Marseille, CL, 22/10/03

Leading CL scorer in current squad: Deco 5
Leading European scorer for Porto in squad: Derlei 13

All-time leading scorer: Mario Jardel 19

Coach: Jose Mourinho

Record v English clubs: P13 W3 D4 L6 F14 A20
Away to English clubs: P6 W0 D0 L6 F4 A18
CL/European Cup appearances: 19
Quarter-finals: 6
Semi-finals: 2
Finals: 1
Champions: 1

Champions League 2003-04
Group phase
A v Partizan Belgrade (Serbia&Montenegro) 1-1 Costinha
H v Real Madrid (Spain) 1-3 Costinha
A v Olympique Marseille (France) 3-2 Maniche, Derlei,
Alenichev
H v Olympique Marseille (France) 1-0 Alenichev
H v Partizan Belgrade 2-1 McCarthy 2
A v Real Madrid 1-1 Derlei pen
First knockout round
H v Manchester United (England) 2-1 McCarthy 2
P7 W4 D2 L1 F11 A9

Curious fact: Porto's record in England is as poor as United's home record against Portuguese teams is good. They have lost on all six previous visits to England, conceding 18 goals.
 
some pics from training:

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Manchester United's Rio Ferdinand controls the ball during training at Carrington, Manchester, March 8, 2004. Manchester United are due to face Porto in their Champions League first stage knockout round, second leg on March 9. REUTERS/Ian Hodgson


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Manchester United's Portuguese forward Cristiano Ronaldo controls the ball during training at Carrington, Manchester, March 8, 2004. Manchester United are due to face Porto in their Champions League first stage knockout round, second leg match on March 9. REUTERS/Ian Hodgson

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Manchester United's Dutch striker Ruud Van Nistelrooy walks through the sprinklers before training at Carrington, Manchester, March 8, 2004. Manchester United are due to face Porto in their Champions League first stage knockout round, second leg match on March 9. REUTERS/Ian Hodgson

More pics from Getty
 
Manchester-

Howard
G.Neville
P.Neville
O´shea
Silvestre
Butt
Kleberson
Scholes
Ronaldo :angel:
Giggs
RVN

Porto

Baía
P.Ferreira
N.Valente
J.Costa
R.Carvalho
Costinha
Maniche
Alenichev
C.Alberto :devil:
Deco
McCarthy :devil:

2-2 or 3-2 to Man.United. :)
 
with mickey fit and wes coming back to from
---------------------howard------------------
----gazz-----wes---------mickey----oshea-
---------------------phil----------------------
--ron---------------scholes---------giggs--------
---------------ruud--------saha----------
scholes with phil in midfield will be perfect!
not playing wes when he is doing well will be criminal!!
scholes and ron will score
 
Giggs should raise his game also....he will be the captain hope that would inspire him.
 
I would like to see Djemba at some point. But if we play 4-4-2 with scholes as an attacking midfielder, then phiza should be the holding midfielder.
 
Changed my mind

- - - - - - - - Howard - - - - - - - -

PNeville - - GNeville - - Silvestre - - O'Shea

Ronaldo - - Butt - - Scholes - - Giggs

- - - - - - Saha - - Ruud - - - - - -

- Solskjaer
- Djemba
- Brown
- Fletcher
- Kleberson
- Carroll
 
Gazza said:
Changed my mind

- - - - - - - - Howard - - - - - - - -

PNeville - - GNeville - - Silvestre - - O'Shea

Ronaldo - - Butt - - Scholes - - Giggs

- - - - - - Saha - - Ruud - - - - - -

- Solskjaer
- Djemba
- Brown
- Fletcher
- Kleberson
- Carroll
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I agree with the pairing of Gaz and Silvestre because I remember we had not conceded many goals with them in defense last year when Rio was injured. We need Saha and Ruud upfront to provide the ammunition becoz we still need to score at least one goal before considering a more defensive formation. I hope Butt's experience will be good enough to thwart the creativity of Deco.
 
Teecubs said:
we still need to score at least one goal before considering a more defensive formation. I hope Butt's experience will be good enough to thwart the creativity of Deco.
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Whats all this defensive talk :confused: We should get out there and batter them. Trying to defend slender leads because our confidence is low, has been our undoing. We should have more faith and bury these pretenders

:devil:
 
MancFanFromManc said:
Whats all this defensive talk :confused: We should get out there and batter them. Trying to defend slender leads because our confidence is low, has been our undoing. We should have more faith and bury these pretenders

:devil:
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MFFM I totally agree with you, it is no good concentrating on defence, on current form you are likely to concede at least one goal, your only hope is to attack from the start, and that means playing both RVN and Saha and hope that you can outscore them by more than one goal.
Obviously I hope you don't :D
 
Bloody hell, are you on the wrong forum or what? Do you even know who you support? Putting Red smileys in front of Porto players names? whats that all about?

2-2 or 3-2 to Man.United. I presume you know what this result would mean for the overall average result. I was on the Porto Forum today and honestly some did'nt ven know how the away goal rule comes into play.
Had a right laugh at their lot...

Juvenaldo said:
Manchester-

Howard
G.Neville
P.Neville
O´shea
Silvestre
Butt
Kleberson
Scholes
Ronaldo :angel:
Giggs
RVN

Porto

Baía
P.Ferreira
N.Valente
J.Costa
R.Carvalho
Costinha
Maniche
Alenichev
C.Alberto :devil:
Deco
McCarthy :devil:

2-2 or 3-2 to Man.United. :)
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I am just dreading a 3-2 scoreline tonite. I just know porto will score, but can we stop them scoring 2 goals and can we maintain a 2 goal advantage, it will be very hard but we can do it. 3-1 to us hopefully.

Also Fergie please,please don't play scholes on the wing just to accomodate 2 defensive midfielders, only to put him back in the middle in the second half after being innefective there in the first place!!.
 
jayjay said:
Saha has been brilliant, but I just think that we need 5 in the midfield because that's where this game will be won as Porto are extremely strong in midfield. I'd also start with a centre back pairing of O'Shea and Silvestre as O'Shea gives us more height back there. Phil at left back to deal with that Alberto lad.


--------------Howard---------------

Gary----O'Shea----Silvestre----Phil

---------Djemba---Fletcher---------

Ronaldo-------Scholes---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------
Click to expand...
Interesting one. I want to see Saha though.
 
--------------Howard---------------

Brown----Gary----Silvestre----O'Shea

---------Butt---P.Neville---------

Scholes-------Saha---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------

Judging by ferguson team selection this season i think this is going to be the probable team for tonight. dont like to see scholesey on the wing but he needs to be accomadated somewhere. all the experienced man utd players will play so forget ronaldo, djemba djemba, fletcher
 
I am watching the game in Huston Airport. Have a plane at 3:50 Central, so I may miss the last 10-15 minutes. Hopefully things will be settled by then. :devil: :devil: :devil:
 
skeeta said:
--------------Howard---------------

Brown----Gary----Silvestre----O'Shea

---------Butt---P.Neville---------

Scholes-------Saha---------Giggs

---------------Ruud----------------

Judging by ferguson team selection this season i think this is going to be the probable team for tonight. dont like to see scholesey on the wing but he needs to be accomadated somewhere. all the experienced man utd players will play so forget ronaldo, djemba djemba, fletcher
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He may want to use experience be Ronaldo is much better than scholes on the wings!!. Its either u use scholes in the middle or dont at all.
 
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