As I would. However, would that bode well for our pre-season preparations? (hence, my "catastrophic" comments earlier).
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As I would. However, would that bode well for our pre-season preparations? (hence, my "catastrophic" comments earlier).
When Heynckes took over Bayern for a third time in 2011, he was 66 and full of experience.
It's absolutely madness to dismiss van Gaal because of his age which is perfectly fine and he has at least 4+ years left in him.
He's kind of right though. While there are a lot of factors to blame for this season, Moyes has failed to motivate the majority of players in the dressing room. You can blame the players for this if you want, but if a manager can't motivate an entire team of winners, then he's got to accept some blame. He's accountable for the demise in our form, and as a result we started losing more.
He was the first name I thought of when I heard van Gaal's name being trumpeted for the job.
You never know with Rooney, though: he could blossom under van Gaal, but I suspect he'd look a peripheral figure and may not be a central character. After all, van Persie will be van Gaal's baby in that United dressing-room.
Postercoglu needs to get a cardboard cutout of Moyes that will stop RVP from destroying us.same here! It's futile anyway though. We have no chance.
I'm not absolving Moyes of any blame at all. That couldn't be further from the truth. I just believe there was a lot of mitigating factors in this season's demise and Moyes seems to be bearing the brunt of the blame. That's not fair in my view.
One reason I'd prefer VG to Mourinho is simply that once they left, we'd be playing stylish attacking football rather than pragmatic football.
Given our season so far, getting back to winning ways under Mourinho would be a relief at first. But I don't think it would be ideal long term.
I've decided I don't have a clue.
How much of the blame is on him then?
Actually, even if the Dutch go out early, I doubt much work can be done with the WC going on.
I think he'd give the club a list of targets to pursue before taking up the reign anyway.
It's not like we're an unknown entity, he's probably seen us enough times just to check up on RVP anyway.
He's not the most exciting choice, but will be a major step up from Moyes IMO.
Who should bear the brunt of it, if not the man in charge?
I agree with that and he would be my preference on that basis, plus i can see RVP staying if we sign him as manager.
That was my thinking. Van Gaal loves RvP and he loves a 4-3-3. No prizes for guessing who would be at the tip of that front 3 (not Rooney).
It could go either way but he has always seemed a manager who would put the team ahead of individuals so if he constructs a formation where Rooney gets creative freedom I think he could thrive... If he gets stuck on the wing like rivaldo then I can see it going like it did with rivaldo
Wayne will be angry and confused, there's no doubt about that.
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Van Gaal is 'yesterdays man' yet you want Biesla who has not won a domestic trophy since 1998. The last time that he added to his sparse trophy cabinet was in 2004 when he won Olympic gold with Argentina.
Van Gaal is 'yesterdays man' yet you want Biesla who has not won a domestic trophy since 1998. The last time that he added to his sparse trophy cabinet was in 2004 when he won Olympic gold with Argentina.
He's attributed to at least 65% or even 70% of the blame for this season.
I don't think anyone is denying that he's a step up from Moyes, are they? That much is plainly obvious. My concerns regarding van Gaal are simply his age, his other commitments, his confrontational personality will likely alienate our oh-so brittle players and the football he produces isn't anything to write home about.
Simply put, there are more attractive options out there.
Rooney could play the role similar to how he used Muller at bayern... Not sure what that would mean for Mata and kagawa though
Who said I wanted Bielsa? If he was the lead candidate, I'd be voicing my concerns regarding him also.
I only mentioned him as he's an alternative to van Gaal and a man who I'd prefer to the Dutchman. That's not to say that I unequivocally want to hand him the keys to Old Trafford. Christ above.
Van Gaal's time at Munich ended with clashes between him and Hoeness. And the feud went on about a year after van Gaal resigned. Both are Alpha Males...
But that is a quote from Hoeneß in March 2013 - prior to the treble win...
We had a lot of good coaches: Udo Lattek, Ottmar Hitzfeld, Giovanni Trapattoni, Jupp Heynckes. Van Gaal was a very good one. Klinsmann a bad one. It was not easy to get the team into trail after the mess Klinsmann created. Van Gaal did it.
But that is a quote from Hoeneß in March 2013 - prior to the treble win...
We had a lot of good coaches: Udo Lattek, Ottmar Hitzfeld, Giovanni Trapattoni, Jupp Heynckes. Van Gaal was a very good one. Klinsmann a bad one. It was not easy to get the team into trail after the mess Klinsmann created. Van Gaal did it.
Van Gaal has used 4-2-3-1 and 3-4-3 and more..
I don't think the formation is particularly important to him, it's the fluidity and movement offered by the players in each position and their technical ability to cycle possession and work the opposition.
I don't think the formation is particularly important to him, it's the fluidity and movement offered by the players in each position and their technical ability to cycle possession and work the opposition.
I think he'd go Kagawa - van Persie - Mata, personally. Unless he played Rooney at the tip of his midfield three (unlikely, but you never know), I think Rooney's days as a centre-forward are numbered under van Gaal.
I'd say van Gaal would even give the captaincy to van Persie, too. Christ.
Van Gaal's age is the least of my concerns with him. At 62 he could be here anywhere up to 10 years, maybe more, however much it goes against his nature. If he's a short term option, it shouldn't matter. My worry with him is that he was sacked by Bayern for failing to meet expectations. Can anyone shed any light on that?
That's a fair point, we'd certainly be a more attractive side under Van Gaal, it's just the reasons for not wanting Mourinho seemed related to his personality more than the type of football he played and if anything Van Gaal is more eccentric and uncontrollable than Jose.
Can see Kagawa playing in midfield or being rotated around, definitely think he can be part of a midfield trio as long as we bring in a carvalho type. Not sure if we'll be able to fit in Rooney, mata and van persie still but we'll see what happens.
They were 4th and outside Champion leagues spot.
So Van Gaal's too intense for you but 'El Loco' Bielsa isn't?
For feck's sake, have I to make a Carroll diagram for you lot to enable you to understand?
Concerns about age:
van Gaal - check
Heynckes - check
Bielsa - no
Concerns about confrontional manner:
van Gaal - check
Heynckes - no
Bielsa - yes
Concerns about other commitments/distractions:
van Gaal - check
Heynckes - no
Bielsa - no
Concerns about aesthetic football:
van Gaal - possible
Heynckes - no
Bielsa - no
Have you spotted the common denominator yet?
Yes, but what was the reason behind this? Falling out with players? Poor signings? Heynckes took his team to better things, was he holding them back?
Moyes is our Klinsmann but worse.
I guess I'd call it 50:50. VdG seems to go for internal warfare, Mourinho for external.
I expect Van Persie would play at the tip, Rooney would play just off the left and Mata or Kagawa would play as part of a 433. I have a feeling he'll like both Nani and Januzaj.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-manchester-united-manager-louis-3442177?
looks like Van Gaal then.
looks like Van Gaal then.
I'm pretty sure Bielsa is Marseille's new manager anyway.
Who would you have instead?
I hope so.
That's only half the story. He also had a major falling out with several senior figures at Bayern, which probably was the bigger problem. No allies when he needed them.
On the other hand, without doing the math and going solely off the top of my head, I'd guess most managers end up sacked at some point in their career, some repeatedly. Doesn't mean that they're a bad manager.
I'm not going to engage. These strawman quibbles e.g. concerns about aesthetic football aren't even worth arguing about. If you think Van Gaal isn't committed to beautiful, attacking football then I don't know what I'm gonna do to convince you about anything.
With it looking more than likely that van Gaal is our next manager, I hope that will end the talk of RvP leaving.
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