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This feels like last summer when we spent the summer dreaming of fabregas and ended up with Fellaini.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
If it boils down to Giggs, I never thought I would have said this, but than I would actually rather have Moyes.

I always said, it can't get worse, but if we hire Giggs it can and it will.
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Giggs is madness - pure madness. I will support him all the way - but every half rational fiber in me says it will end in tears.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
If it boils down to Giggs, I never thought I would have said this, but than I would actually rather have Moyes.

I always said, it can't get worse, but if we hire Giggs it can and it will.
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It would be a joke to respond to our worst season in more than 20 years by hiring a man who doesn't even know if he's any good at management yet, let alone able to cut it at the level we'd require.

This whole 'Class of 92' hardon we have is a bit tiresome to be honest. Scholes seems to drift in and out when he wants, we only got Neville because he came back with Moyes. Suddenly as of a week ago they're immovably part of our future. It's absurd. We're in real danger of being defined by our own obsession with nostalgia.
 
iBoss said:
The club have fecking lost it if they appoint Giggs now of all times. After Moyes we cant take any chances.
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Drunk as I am, I will predict this: United won't give it to Giggsy. We'll hire Van Gaal.

I'm not giddy about that. But it's probably the best we can do at the moment.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I honestly don't know what is going on anymore.

I don't trust Woody. I don't really want Van Gaal. I think it's madness to hire Giggsy.

Bring back Moyesie, I says. Tell him it was all a bit of a misunderstanding.
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I second this. I like Van Gaal as a manager and things will improve under him which means that I can't moan. Even if things go bad, I still can't moan because I have been screaming for him for months. Giggs is one of my favorite players ever so regardless of results I can't moan.

Bring back Moyes. That's the only way I'll be comfortable here.
 
Revan said:
I second this. I like Van Gaal as a manager and things will improve under him which means that I can't moan. Even if things go bad, I still can't moan because I have been screaming for him for months. Giggs is one of my favorite players ever so regardless of results I can't moan.

Bring back Moyes. That's the only way I'll be comfortable here.
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You'll be lost without him, man - you know it.
 
Surely going to the final with Real Madrid makes Ancelotti MORE likely. If he wins la decima, surely best time to walk away into the sunset (or to Manchester!)
 
Member 5225 said:
Surely going to the final with Real Madrid makes Ancelotti MORE likely. If he wins la decima, surely best time to walk away into the sunset (or to Manchester!)
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Or further his legacy there. He has a good chance of being the first manager to win the CL back to back and re asserting Real's dominance in Spain (assuming Atletico lose their better players/manager this summer)
 
Member 5225 said:
Surely going to the final with Real Madrid makes Ancelotti MORE likely. If he wins la decima, surely best time to walk away into the sunset (or to Manchester!)
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The sentimental value that comes with securing La Decima would be surreal. He'd be the man who did it, everyone in the city would love him. They'd give him all the money in the world to retain it and bring in who he wants.
 
@Revan

Seriously, though, mate - I have misgivings. Van Gaal is a brilliant manager - for the right set of players. And when his football flows, it flows beautifully, just like all football of the Dutch variety does. But I'm more and more worried about this bloody possession idea - which runs right through the philosophy Van Gaal stands for.

I don't know, maybe I'm just drunk and paranoid. But is Van Gaal really the man for us? I'm not talking about his craziness and all that - I don't mind that he's crazy, that's perfectly fine. Moyes wasn't nearly crazy enough. I talked to my uncle the other day - he's a bit of an old school, well, fool. He said, as an apropos to Moyes, that you can say what you like about Big Ron, but he looked like a United manager. And he did. Flamboyant, you know. Fergie wasn't flamboyant, but he was definitely not a dull character.

Anyway, in that sense Van Gaal is United material. But his football. I just don't know. Possession. It worries me. I actually hate possession. Kill 'em on the counter, let 'em have the ball and stroke it impotently - but kill 'em when it counts. That's how we should play. And Van Gaal is a possession man. There's no denying it. Better than Pep in that regard - but still. He's a possession man.
 
Plugsy said:
It would be a joke to respond to our worst season in more than 20 years by hiring a man who doesn't even know if he's any good at management yet, let alone able to cut it at the level we'd require.

This whole 'Class of 92' hardon we have is a bit tiresome to be honest. Scholes seems to drift in and out when he wants, we only got Neville because he came back with Moyes. Suddenly as of a week ago they're immovably part of our future. It's absurd. We're in real danger of being defined by our own obsession with nostalgia.
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Nicely put.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
@Revan

Seriously, though, mate - I have misgivings. Van Gaal is a brilliant manager - for the right set of players. And when his football flows, it flows beautifully, just like all football of the Dutch variety does. But I'm more and more worried about this bloody possession idea - which runs right through the philosophy Van Gaal stands for.

I don't know, maybe I'm just drunk and paranoid. But is Van Gaal really the man for us? I'm not talking about his craziness and all that - I don't mind that he's crazy, that's perfectly fine. Moyes wasn't nearly crazy enough. I talked to my uncle the other day - he's a bit of an old school, well, fool. He said, as an apropos to Moyes, that you can say what you like about Big Ron, but he looked like a United manager. And he did. Flamboyant, you know. Fergie wasn't flamboyant, but he was definitely not a dull character.

Anyway, in that sense Van Gaal is United material. But his football. I just don't know. Possession. It worries me. I actually hate possession. Kill 'em on the counter, let 'em have the ball and stroke it impotently - but kill 'em when it counts. That's how we should play. And Van Gaal is a possession man. There's no denying it. Better than Pep in that regard - but still. He's a possession man.
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He's not all about possession btw. The man also believes in a mean counter attack. His Ajax and even the late Bayern team had excellent fast flowing wingplay mixed with awesome counter-attacking play.

Managers like Guardiola have merely taken his idea and tinkered with it. Tiki-Taka is an evolution of Van Gaal's Total Football. Van Gaal is a lot more direct.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
@Revan

Seriously, though, mate - I have misgivings. Van Gaal is a brilliant manager - for the right set of players. And when his football flows, it flows beautifully, just like all football of the Dutch variety does. But I'm more and more worried about this bloody possession idea - which runs right through the philosophy Van Gaal stands for.

I don't know, maybe I'm just drunk and paranoid. But is Van Gaal really the man for us? I'm not talking about his craziness and all that - I don't mind that he's crazy, that's perfectly fine. Moyes wasn't nearly crazy enough. I talked to my uncle the other day - he's a bit of an old school, well, fool. He said, as an apropos to Moyes, that you can say what you like about Big Ron, but he looked like a United manager. And he did. Flamboyant, you know. Fergie wasn't flamboyant, but he was definitely not a dull character.

Anyway, in that sense Van Gaal is United material. But his football. I just don't know. Possession. It worries me. I actually hate possession. Kill 'em on the counter, let 'em have the ball and stroke it impotently - but kill 'em when it counts. That's how we should play. And Van Gaal is a possession man. There's no denying it. Better than Pep in that regard - but still. He's a possession man.
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This might cheer you up: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/apr/20/eredivisie-az-alkmaar-dutch-football

Interesting read for me as a dutchman, I didn't even know English papers reported on dutch football.

,,Sure enough, AZ were hopeless in their first two Eredivisie games of the season. But after losing away to a spirited NAC, 2-1, and ADO, 3-0, something changed. In spite of claiming that the ADO game had been "AZ's best in six months", Van Gaal abandoned his stubbornness at long last and placed pragmatism before idealism, turning his side into a deadly counter-attacking team rather than a classical Dutch pressing-and-possession side."
 
The Red Thinker said:
He's not all about possession btw. The man also believes in a mean counter attack. His Ajax and even the late Bayern team had excellent fast flowing wingplay mixed with awesome counter-attacking play.

Managers like Guardiola have merely taken his idea and tinkered with it. Tiki-Taka is an evolution of Van Gaal's Total Football. Van Gaal is a lot more direct.
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I remember his teams as more direct - yes. But I suspect I've seen him at his best.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
This might cheer you up: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/apr/20/eredivisie-az-alkmaar-dutch-football

Interesting read for me as a dutchman, I didn't even know English papers reported on dutch football.

,,Sure enough, AZ were hopeless in their first two Eredivisie games of the season. But after losing away to a spirited NAC, 2-1, and ADO, 3-0, something changed. In spite of claiming that the ADO game had been "AZ's best in six months", Van Gaal abandoned his stubbornness at long last and placed pragmatism before idealism, turning his side into a deadly counter-attacking team rather than a classical Dutch pressing-and-possession side."
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A deadly counter attacking team - yes. That's United for me. If he can do that here, I'll love the old bastard.
 
One advantage of van Gaal too is that he's probably got a fair bit of knowledge about the players we're scouting. He was manager at this level only three years ago so apart from those who have emerged suddenly in that time he's probably quite familiar with. Giggs would have to get to grips with all our targets almost from scratch, you'd imagine.
 
Really wish this would be announced soon. Starting to get really worried about this Giggs love-in that's currently embarrassing the club.
 
The Red Thinker said:
Well he did kickstart the Bayern revolution. Gave them back their footballing identity. It was his attacking tactics that Jupp Heynckes took over and tweaked.
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Heynckes gets a lot of credit for Bayern's success but really it was just this thread that motivated them
 
Mail reporting he's identified Kroos, Hummels and Reus as targets. His assistant at Holland as promised Hiddink he'll tell him tomorrow if he can carry on in that role after the World Cup
 
Holland coach Louis van Gaal could be new Manchester United manager within days ahead of World Cup finals
Dutchman wants to secure deal before planning begins for Brazil, while Ryan Giggs's future in new regime remains unclear

By Mark Ogden,

Louis van Gaal expects to be confirmed as Manchester United manager by the beginning of next week with the Dutchman ready to oversee a list of transfer targets before shifting his focus to Holland’s preparations for the World Cup finals.

With United accepting defeat in their attempts to recruit Carlo Ancelotti, the Real Madrid coach, following the Spanish club’s progression to the Champions League final on Tuesday evening, the path has been cleared for Van Gaal to succeed the sacked David Moyes. Discussions over Ryan Giggs’s role in a Van Gaal regime have yet to be resolved, however, with Ed Woodward, the United executive vice-chairman, keen for the interim manager to retain an involvement beyond the end of this season.

With Van Gaal holding firm on his desire to bring as many as five of his own coaches to Old Trafford, including Patrick Kluivert, the Holland assistant, there is a risk of Giggs rejecting a minor role under the 62-year-old and cutting his ties with the club at the end of the season. Senior figures at United are determined to avoid that eventuality, but there is an awareness that Giggs is unlikely to accept being relegated down the coaching pecking order having been handed the manager’s job on a temporary basis following Moyes’s dismissal last week.

With Van Gaal prepared to have Giggs on his backroom team, a compromise is likely to emerge and the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach has already turned his attentions to finalising transfer plans with Woodward following discussions about the United job. Having earmarked next Wednesday as the start of a 10-day training camp with domestic-based Dutch players in Hoenderloo, United are aware that Van Gaal regards that date as the beginning of the build-up to the World Cup finals.

With both Van Gaal and the Dutch football association keen to avoid outside distractions prior to the World Cup finals, it is understood that the coach wants to hone his recruitment plans with Woodward before the start of the Hoenderloo training camp.

United have been working on a list of potential summer signings since the turn of the year, with Moyes identifying several targets which have been pursued by Woodward.

Discussions have been held with representatives of Bayern Munich midfielder Toni Kroos, Southampton full-back Luke Shaw, Sporting Lisbon midfielder William Carvalho and Paris St-Germain forward Edinson Cavani, while Barcelona midfielder Cesc Fabregas is another player on United’s radar.

Van Gaal is aware of United’s targets and, while he may also pursue Borussia Dortmund defender Mats Hummels, he is believed to be happy with the target list drawn up by Moyes. Perhaps significantly, the representatives of some of the players on United’s list have been told that moves may accelerate next week having been placed on hold since Moyes’s departure.

With Van Gaal regarding next Wednesday as the cut-off point in terms of discussions about United until the end of Holland’s World Cup campaign, there is a desire to be briefed on the current status of transfers and potential departures before he switches attention to plotting the national team’s route out of Group B, which contains Australia, Chile and the reigning world champions Spain.

While United and Woodward had identified Ancelotti as a contender to replace Moyes, the Italian’s success in guiding Real to the Champions League final has prompted the Old Trafford club to abandon efforts to recruit the former Chelsea manager.

Despite ongoing uncertainty surrounding Ancelotti’s position, with a belief that he may lose his job at the Bernabéu if he fails to win the Champions League trophy in Lisbon this month, United are wary of waiting a further three weeks only on the basis that he may become available.

Having allowed Moyes to delay his start in the job last summer until July 1, there is an acceptance at United that valuable preparation time was lost in terms of player recruitment twelve months ago and it is a mistake there are determined to avoid on this occasion. Meanwhile, United midfielder Marouane Fellaini has been urged to prove a point to the club by Belgium coach Marc Wilmots, who insists the midfielder can prove his ability at the World Cup.

Fellaini has endured a disastrous time at United since completing a £27.5 million transfer from Everton last August and his future at Old Trafford is likely to be bleak following Moyes’s exit. But Wilmots claims that Fellaini is merely a victim of being used in the wrong position by Moyes.

“I have no doubts about Marouane,” Wilmots said. “I don’t understand why Manchester United bought him to play him in a system of two number sixes. “Marouane is a box-to-box player and the World Cup is a good chance for him to take revenge.”
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...er-within-days-ahead-of-World-Cup-finals.html

The reliable Ogden is saying it's close then. Hopefully things move quickly and we get the transfers done before the World Cup. It also sounds like Giggs might leave, it doesn't seem LVG is very keen on him.
 
Plugsy said:
Mail reporting he's identified Kroos, Hummels and Reus as targets. His assistant at Holland as promised Hiddink he'll tell him tomorrow if he can carry on in that role after the World Cup
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We have the funds, that is not the problem, the problem is the chances of signing them. Maybe Van Gaal can convince them. But the money is not the issue. Everyone knows this. Non story. This can be just a transfer window story.

Also, what does Van Gaal know about ttansfers? Most of his transfer activity have been shit. He worked under a director of football at every club he has been to. He works with what he gets
 
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A1X said:


7th place. Out in the 1/4s. Nowhere in the FA Cup.

But we're still the story. Oh yeah.
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We're the biggest club in the world, always have been, always will be. We're Manchester United. To quote SAF: 'The most romantic club in history of football.'

That's us.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
What is up with all of this fecking Gary Neville bashing/name calling?

Respect his opinion.
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Differentiating between a person and his/her opinions seems to require too complex a thought process for a worryingly high number of people 'round here these days. Hopefully, better results next season will see this place go back to being regular ol' Caf crazy and not fecking RAWK on steroids.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
@Revan

Seriously, though, mate - I have misgivings. Van Gaal is a brilliant manager - for the right set of players. And when his football flows, it flows beautifully, just like all football of the Dutch variety does. But I'm more and more worried about this bloody possession idea - which runs right through the philosophy Van Gaal stands for.

I don't know, maybe I'm just drunk and paranoid. But is Van Gaal really the man for us? I'm not talking about his craziness and all that - I don't mind that he's crazy, that's perfectly fine. Moyes wasn't nearly crazy enough. I talked to my uncle the other day - he's a bit of an old school, well, fool. He said, as an apropos to Moyes, that you can say what you like about Big Ron, but he looked like a United manager. And he did. Flamboyant, you know. Fergie wasn't flamboyant, but he was definitely not a dull character.

Anyway, in that sense Van Gaal is United material. But his football. I just don't know. Possession. It worries me. I actually hate possession. Kill 'em on the counter, let 'em have the ball and stroke it impotently - but kill 'em when it counts. That's how we should play. And Van Gaal is a possession man. There's no denying it. Better than Pep in that regard - but still. He's a possession man.
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I am very against tiki takanaccio too, but I don't think that Van Gaal actually likes that. His teams to me looked different to Pep's teams/Del Bosque's Spain. More attacking, players actually are free to shoot and he loves to play with width almost as much as Fergie.

Hiwever yeah, I would have preferred a manager who loves more attacking football but that manager (Klopp) isn't available. It is the most attractive way of playing IMO and I love that.

However LVG isn't someone who'll stay here for long. I like him mostly because players improve movement and passing under him and he promotes a lot of youth. I think that the team will be in good condition after 3 or so years when he leaves and will have the right infrastrucuture for the next manager to shine. Until then I hope that Klopp will become available or one of Giggs/Ole is ready to become the manager.
 
Gone quiet on the manager front hasn't it. Hope we don't wait till close season where Giggs wins all of his games and the Love in escalades.
We can't afford another dodgy year.

Louis, Louis, Louis
 
That Telegraph piece pleased me. I hope this starts to happen now, it's beginning to ruin my enjoyment of Liverpool ruining their chances of winning the league.
 
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