United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

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Beachryan said:
Not trying to be stupid, but are 2 trophies in the last 15 years or so really what we should be after?

It's actually kind of shocking how few really progressive, 'new' managers are currently around Europe.
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3 trophies. 5 years as a national team manager. 2 years out of work between the short stay at Barca and his time at AZ.

3 trophies in 8 years at club level, 3 of his 4 seasons with AZ were top 3 finishes.

He isn't the greatest manager in the world or anything but a bit of context helps.
 
Imagine we appointed him and his Dutch side proceeded to fail at the World Cup producing terrible football?
 
Bojan11 said:
Rene would be a logical choice as he knows the club inside out.,
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If Van Gaal... Rene would bethe right choice. Lessons learnt from the Moyes debacle.

The players would wake up in July and think:

Phew... I had a nightmare where this fellow from Everton... whats his name took over the club.
LOL!!

I wonder what this new Dutch Revolution will be like...
 
BennyBlanco said:
Has he ever really been left to decide transfers for himself? which in and of itself may be an issue? hasnt he generally worked under a general manager? stating the obvious... but we don't have one, does this guy have his own scouting system/network?
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Ah, you forget that Moyesiah has revolutionised our scouting network, we have a bunker, iPads everything... never fear benny boy...moyes done good in this regard... the papers told us so!!
 
Didn't know too much about Van Gaal so I did a bit of reading on him and his career and I'm kind of a little bit worried after reading some of this stuff, getting it wrong once after SAF is acceptable but twice would be worrying:


Barca 97-2000:

He clashed with the media and came under criticism. Van Gaal expressed that it was difficult to implement his football philosophy at Barcelona due to cultural differences, and that he struggled hard as some players were unwilling to follow his lead. His rows with Rivaldo are an example of this. Van Gaal insisted Rivaldo play as a left winger, whereas Rivaldo argued that he wanted to play in the centre, in effect undermining Van Gaal.
Van Gaal eventually left the Catalan side on 20 May 2000, days after losing the league title to Deportivo de La Coruña, uttering the immortal line: "Amigos de la prensa. Yo me voy. Felicidades." (Friends of the press. I am leaving. Congratulations.) He returned to the Netherlands to manage the Dutch national team in preparation for the 2002 FIFA World Cup.

Dutch National Team and then return to Barca 2000-2003:

Under Van Gaal, the Netherlands finished third in its qualifying group behind Portugal and the Republic of Ireland, failing to qualify for the World Cup for the first time since 1986.

He returned to Barcelona for the start of the 2002–03 season, but left the job in January 2003 with Barcelona just three points away from the relegation zone.

Ajax 2004:

In 2004, he returned to Ajax as a technical director, but resigned later that year due to an internal conflict.

AZ 2005-2009:

Van Gaal initially announced he would leave AZ at the end of the 2007–08 season due to disappointing results, with the club finishing 11th in the Eredivisie

Bayern Munich 2009-2011:

On 1 July 2009, Van Gaal took over as coach of Bayern Munich. Van Gaal referred to his new employer as a "dream club". He got off to a poor start as Bayern coach, winning only one of his first four matches in charge and by November the club was on the brink of a first round Champions League exit following two losses to Bordeaux. With Bayer Leverkusen at the top of the Bundesliga, speculation was rampant that Van Gaal was on the brink of a departure from Bayern even earlier than his predecessor Jürgen Klinsmann.

I'm sure he wouldn't do any worse than Moyes, in fact I'm sure he will do better, I just got a bit worried after reading that, we can't have it happen to us twice, it would be quite embarrassing.
 
Why not put all the good stuff he did in that time too? Like getting a league and cup double and making the final of the champions league in his first season, always having his teams play attacking football, winning trophies with his other teams too.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
Watch this. You'll regret it if you don't:

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So Van Gaal is passionate!
Anyone remembers how Moyes always appeared so indifferent at the dug out when he first joined us, as if he's an outsider. Maybe he's still trying to adjust himself being a United manager but from the outset we seldom saw his passion. Granted it might have something to do with the lack of warmth he's getting from the players (I am just guessing)but one wonders what if he showed more eagerness to elevate himself into the statute that's needed as an united manager, one of the most powerful jobs on the planet!
 
I really fear for the sanity of this place & the club, if LvG gets the United job :wenger:

Klopp would be perfect, but Barca have been sniffin around him, so he'd most likely prefer that job in all honesty. So who's left?

One thing's for sure LvG shouldnt be on any list we have. He's a big ignorant pig, with an ego to match. I could never stand him, more so than Mourinho too. He'd maybe (who knows) be an upgrade on Moyes, but is that the height of our ambitions now ffs - just to get Moyes out & get in any old lad thats been round the block & fecked everyone off in the process?!

We need a manager that has the right credentials; hungry, thats won things recently, but yet still has much to prove. LvG isnt United quality - same as Moyes wasnt either!

Klopp should have been 1st choice after Fergie, so lets correct that score & get him!
 
redevil2 said:
So Van Gaal is passionate!
Anyone remembers how Moyes always appeared so indifferent at the dug out when he first joined us, as if he's an outsider. Maybe he's still trying to adjust himself being a United manager but from the outset we seldom saw his passion. Granted it might have something to do with the lack of warmth he's getting from the players (I am just guessing)but one wonders what if he showed more eagerness to elevate himself into the statute that's needed as an united manager, one of the most powerful jobs on the planet!
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Moyes has shown passion many times when we scored...

Whatya want - Di Canio in? :smirk:
 
Stack said:
The more I read about Van Gaal and the more videos of him I see the less i want him to take over from Moyes.
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To be honest Stack, when i heard Spurs were after him i feared for them... It reeked of Spurs tryin to get a big name manager in just to have one, regardless of the qualities he might bring to their club.

He'd be a wreckin ball i feel...
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Moyes has shown passion many times when we scored...

Whatya want - Di Canio in? :smirk:
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No I meant initially when he first joined maybe until Christmas, when we were already slipping. I still think the confidence of players agave been hugely affected by a manager who's so lack of confidence in him both himself and his players
 
That summary above ignores literally every good thing van Gaal has achieved in football. Every trophy and every positive (both of which are numerous) have not been mentioned.

Yes, the guy tends to flame out after 2/3 seasons. But that's really all we need him for. Klopp is the right man for United but he's not leaving any time soon. We need someone who can lay foundations while getting us back in the hunt for trophies. Van Gaal is capable of all this and more, as he has shown throughout his career. He's the best available candidate, have we not spent all season whinging about not hiring the best candidate instead of Moyes?

I feel like some are wary of lvg because he's batshit insane. That's fair, but it's not stopped him producing results in the past.

I feel like more are wary of lvg because he isn't Jurgen Klopp. This is a stupid feeling, because Klopp isn't going to ditch Dortmund any time soon.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
To be honest Stack, when i heard Spurs were after him i feared for them... It reeked of Spurs tryin to get a big name manager in just to have one, regardless of the qualities he might bring to their club.

He'd be a wreckin ball i feel...
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Yeah my worry is the ego. Fergie was stubborn and single minded but I dont feel he ever operated with the ego being the main driving force.
 
Bebe said:
That summary above ignores literally every good thing van Gaal has achieved in football. Every trophy and every positive (both of which are numerous) have not been mentioned.

Yes, the guy tends to flame out after 2/3 seasons. But that's really all we need him for. Klopp is the right man for United but he's not leaving any time soon. We need someone who can lay foundations while getting us back in the hunt for trophies. Van Gaal is capable of all this and more, as he has shown throughout his career. He's the best available candidate, have we not spent all season whinging about not hiring the best candidate instead of Moyes?

I feel like some are wary of lvg because he's batshit insane. That's fair, but it's not stopped him producing results in the past.

I feel like more are wary of lvg because he isn't Jurgen Klopp. This is a stupid feeling, because Klopp isn't going to ditch Dortmund any time soon.
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He literally went on his Wikipedia and took half the sections on each stint, taking out all the trophies he won and the good things he did.
Just look at his win percentage if you have doubts. Over 61% win percentage for his whole career, his worst being the second stint at Barca at 53%, still higher then moyes' best which is 52 at united. Overall moyes is at 44%. For comparison, fergies overall is 58% and 59% at united.

Or if you want to look at trophies. He's won plenty of league titles at every club he's been at, won the uefa cup and champions league with Ajax, and was runner up once, was runner up of the champions league once with bayern along with winning the double, won the eredivisie with az alkmaar, which is an excellent achievement. There's loads more too.
 
bosnian_red said:
Why not put all the good stuff he did in that time too? Like getting a league and cup double and making the final of the champions league in his first season, always having his teams play attacking football, winning trophies with his other teams too.
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crappycraperson said:
You have just listed all the worst stuff in his career so far
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Bebe said:
That summary above ignores literally every good thing van Gaal has achieved in football. Every trophy and every positive (both of which are numerous) have not been mentioned.
Yes, the guy tends to flame out after 2/3 seasons. But that's really all we need him for. Klopp is the right man for United but he's not leaving any time soon. We need someone who can lay foundations while getting us back in the hunt for trophies. Van Gaal is capable of all this and more, as he has shown throughout his career. He's the best available candidate, have we not spent all season whinging about not hiring the best candidate instead of Moyes?
I feel like some are wary of lvg because he's batshit insane. That's fair, but it's not stopped him producing results in the past.
I feel like more are wary of lvg because he isn't Jurgen Klopp. This is a stupid feeling, because Klopp isn't going to ditch Dortmund any time soon.
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bosnian_red said:
He literally went on his Wikipedia and took half the sections on each stint, taking out all the trophies he won and the good things he did.
Just look at his win percentage if you have doubts. Over 61% win percentage for his whole career, his worst being the second stint at Barca at 53%, still higher then moyes' best which is 52 at united. Overall moyes is at 44%. For comparison, fergies overall is 58% and 59% at united.
Or if you want to look at trophies. He's won plenty of league titles at every club he's been at, won the uefa cup and champions league with Ajax, and was runner up once, was runner up of the champions league once with bayern along with winning the double, won the eredivisie with az alkmaar, which is an excellent achievement. There's loads more too.
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Sorry guys I think you got the point of my post a bit wrong, In no way am I denying the good stuff he did nor am I saying he's not right for us .

I wasn't writing a summary/review on him I was literally just listing a few things I saw that jumped out at me and worried me a bit that's all. That's why It's just a few cutouts and not the good stuff too.

The good stuff there is evident for all to see too :)
 
bosnian_red said:
He literally went on his Wikipedia and took half the sections on each stint, taking out all the trophies he won and the good things he did.
Just look at his win percentage if you have doubts. Over 61% win percentage for his whole career, his worst being the second stint at Barca at 53%, still higher then moyes' best which is 52 at united. Overall moyes is at 44%. For comparison, fergies overall is 58% and 59% at united.

Or if you want to look at trophies. He's won plenty of league titles at every club he's been at, won the uefa cup and champions league with Ajax, and was runner up once, was runner up of the champions league once with bayern along with winning the double, won the eredivisie with az alkmaar, which is an excellent achievement. There's loads more too.
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He was trying to Moyesify LvG.

Level playing field.
 
If we do end up hiring him, that second Barca spell is going to be brought up a lot before the new season, so I'd quite like know the context to it as I wasn't paying much attention at the time. From what I can tell they'd been on a downward slope for a few years and were between eras, post-Rivaldo pre-Ronaldinho?
 
XdanielredX said:
I know it only shows the bad stuff, as I said I'm not saying he's a bad manager or not right for us.

I wasn't writing a summary/review on him I was just listing a few things I saw that stuck out at me and worried me a bit that's all.
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Well if you were copy and pasting it from the Wikipedia you might as well have put all of it, as now people will think that he's only been a disaster, which isn't true at all. His biggest problem was the clashes with personality, but do you think fergie's personality would work at bayern for example? Hoeness and the board there constantly intervene in first team affairs and it would never work. At united, he'd have the perfect freedom for himself to succeed. He'd also guarantee great, exciting, attacking football. It's one of the main things he's always brought to his team and says it's a priority.
 
bosnian_red said:
Well if you were copy and pasting it from the Wikipedia you might as well have put all of it, as now people will think that he's only been a disaster, which isn't true at all. His biggest problem was the clashes with personality, but do you think fergie's personality would work at bayern for example? Hoeness and the board there constantly intervene in first team affairs and it would never work. At united, he'd have the perfect freedom for himself to succeed. He'd also guarantee great, exciting, attacking football. It's one of the main things he's always brought to his team and says it's a priority.
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Yeah I suppose I could have worded it better, I do agree with what you are saying
 
Ubik said:
If we do end up hiring him, that second Barca spell is going to be brought up a lot before the new season, so I'd quite like know the context to it as I wasn't paying much attention at the time. From what I can tell they'd been on a downward slope for a few years and were between eras, post-Rivaldo pre-Ronaldinho?
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Looking at it, they didn't have a very strong squad then really, and though he obviously did poorly, they did really well in the champions league while he was there, winning all the games until he got sacked pretty much. He had a 53% win rate, by far his worst of his career (moyes is 52% for this season, by far his best). Not sure what all the problems were, but that season definitely seems like an anomaly.
 
The mental bit is slightly worrying. The technical football is exciting. Confusing one.
 
elmo said:
Am I the only one that thinks we should just go for Ancelotti if we can't get Klopp?
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We originally went for him when replacing SAF and it really does depend on if he wins the CL, if he does Perez will give Ancelotti whatever he wants.
 
Honestly, I would go for Blanc over van Gaal, just a personal preference.
 
As a British person I of course love it when clubs have a British core, I've been brought up that way I love seeing British lads getting a go.

Is anyone slightly worried that with it looking like LvG will take over, with him being our non-british manager, that we will lose that tradition we have always had of retaining a decent British core?

This generations lot are starting to break in IE Welbeck, Cleverley, Smalling, Jones, Powell etc but what about other than them?

I hope we don't go down the City/Arsenal Route.

Starting XI of 1 Englishman and 10 Imports or something.

Thoughts? What is Van Gaals record with homegrown players wherever he has managed?
 
XdanielredX said:
As a British person I of course love it when clubs have a British core, I've been brought up that way I love seeing British lads getting a go.

Is anyone slightly worried that with it looking like LvG will take over, with him being our non-british manager, that we will lose that tradition we have always had of retaining a decent British core?

This generations lot are starting to break in IE Welbeck, Cleverley, Smalling, Jones, Powell etc but what about other than them?

I hope we don't go down the City/Arsenal Route.

Starting XI of 1 Englishman and 10 Imports or something.

Thoughts? What is Van Gaals record with homegrown players wherever he has managed?
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Would you prefer Moyes with a British core, or Van Gaal with a European core?

silly question!
 
Sandikan said:
Would you prefer Moyes with a British core, or Van Gaal with a European core?

silly question!
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I'd rather Van Gaal with a team that has a good British core.

I don't know, I know it's dying out but I'm still of the breed that believes British teams should have British players, not all obviously, I know we need foreign players too, I hate to bring up the whole England squad depth thing and we have the lowest home grown players % of any other major league but they are valid points IMO.
 
We've got an amazing record of consecutive games with a player from the academy appearing in the match day squad. I believe its in to the decades. I wouldn't want to lose that and we're definitely in danger of that if we go for a coach that cares feck all about the academy.
 
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