United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

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BennyBlanco said:
Xavi was one, pretty sure, when Guardiola was getting old/even more injury prone.
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Just found this quote:
He did set one of the standards for what would come to be the best team in the history of FCB when he gave Xavi, Puyol, Valdés and Iniesta their first team debuts. (He also gave Motta, Gabri and Pepe Reina, among others, their debut)
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gaz1185 said:
He promoted Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller and David Alaba to the first team at Bayern. Only 1 U21 player has been played for the first team since then.

Pretty sure he promoted some big players at Barca too, can't remember who exactly, but Iniesta was one of them.
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Thiago Motta, too. Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Valdez

Kroos was not a van Gaal project - but Badstuber is. Kroos was loaned to Leverkusen in the Klinsmann time and came back for van Gaal's second year. Heynckes is his big mentor.

Maybe for ManUnited fans - van der Saar is a "van-Gaal"-project, too.
 
Say he takes Holland far, he's not going to get back from Brazil until mid July. The United players not at the WC will already be on the summer tour of the US by then won't they? Who will be in charge of that tour?

I don't see how this is going to work effectively. Not to mention the limited time he'll have to look at whether he needs to buy.
 
If he goes far in the WC he won't start at United until well into the summer. How is that good for us at all?
 
Sixpence said:
Say he takes Holland far, he's not going to get back from Brazil until mid July. The United players not at the WC will already be on the summer tour of the US by then won't they? Who will be in charge of that tour?

I don't see how this is going to work effectively. Not to mention the limited time he'll have to look at whether he needs to buy.
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Depends who his assistants will be I guess. If it's still up in the air, then I'd say Giggs will remain in charge for the pre-season tour while, if he signs up, Van Gaal joins up with the squad.
 
Sixpence said:
Say he takes Holland far, he's not going to get back from Brazil until mid July. The United players not at the WC will already be on the summer tour of the US by then won't they? Who will be in charge of that tour?

I don't see how this is going to work effectively. Not to mention the limited time he'll have to look at whether he needs to buy.
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Hopefully he is not an idiot and works out beforehand which players he should get rid (quite a few are obvious) and from his experience which players to bring in. Hopefully he also has some staff which can help, I mean they should definitely be an improvement on Round and Lumsden.
 
Sixpence said:
Say he takes Holland far, he's not going to get back from Brazil until mid July. The United players not at the WC will already be on the summer tour of the US by then won't they? Who will be in charge of that tour?

I don't see how this is going to work effectively. Not to mention the limited time he'll have to look at whether he needs to buy.
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I actually think Chile and Spain will be going through. However, I agree. It's a bit of a hassle that he could be delayed starting the job because of the WC.
 
Sixpence said:
Say he takes Holland far, he's not going to get back from Brazil until mid July. The United players not at the WC will already be on the summer tour of the US by then won't they? Who will be in charge of that tour?

I don't see how this is going to work effectively. Not to mention the limited time he'll have to look at whether he needs to buy.
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He can appoint an assistant to do that. Someone who he sees himself working with at the club, who can feed things back to him. I've said a couple of times today I don't think his international commitments are an issue. He and every top manager in the game would have a clear idea on what they'd do to 'fix' Manchester United. His name has been linked with the club for a while now so I'd be very surprised if recently he hasn't been studying us in depth, drawing up a portfolio of ideas, solutions and targets

Moyes somehow influenced the sentiment that someone needs to spend 10 getting to know the place before you can act. Most top managers are used to going into a club and within a very short time-scale, making their mark.
 
Sixpence said:
Say he takes Holland far, he's not going to get back from Brazil until mid July. The United players not at the WC will already be on the summer tour of the US by then won't they? Who will be in charge of that tour?

I don't see how this is going to work effectively. Not to mention the limited time he'll have to look at whether he needs to buy.
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World Cup final is July 4th. Holland will not go that far this time, though if you're in it, be in it to win it.

I imagine if he does take the job he can have Ryan Giggs or someone he wishes to be part of his coaching staff run a summer tour with reserves and young players until he is free.

My concern would be player recruitment. He'd need help to get the ball rolling in his absence.
 
Sixpence said:
Say he takes Holland far, he's not going to get back from Brazil until mid July. The United players not at the WC will already be on the summer tour of the US by then won't they? Who will be in charge of that tour?

I don't see how this is going to work effectively. Not to mention the limited time he'll have to look at whether he needs to buy.
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Beggers can't be choosers.

If Mourinho, Pep, Klopp, Carlo and friends don't want to sign, then we'll have to find a way to cope. It depends on who he wants to be his assistant but either way, it's better than Moyes for another year.
 
Werder Herzog said:
The more i hear and read about him the more i like the thought of hm. If somehow we could get De Boer alongside him as no.2 with Giggs still in the set up it would be exciting times ahead.
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Good point. Who he'd bring in as his assistant could be key. I'd be more comfortable with this if he brought with him a strong no.2 who he has a longstanding good relationship with to help him, literally, keep his pants on.
 
Where does it leave Rooney? I mean he's Dutch and he knows RvP quite well so you would imagine he would prefer him as the starting striker in the team. Wazza won't like that at all. He would be the one van Gaal will have a falling out with I imagine. Just a guess though.
 
The more I read about Van Gaal from @Blackwidow, the more I'm excited about him as Man Utd manager. Sounds like something we need after years of playing through the same system.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
World Cup final is July 4th. Holland will not go that far this time, though if you're in it, be in it to win it.

I imagine if he does take the job he can have Ryan Giggs or someone he wishes to be part of his coaching staff run a summer tour with reserves and young players until he is free.

My concern would be player recruitment. He'd need help to get the ball rolling in his absence.
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We need two central midfielders (defensive + creative), a left back and a centre back.

Do the dutch squad have any quality in these areas? If so, he'll enter negotiations with the player directly.
 
Empire said:
We need two central midfielders (defensive + creative), a left back and a centre back.

Do the dutch squad have any quality in these areas? If so, he'll enter negotiations with the player directly.
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Strootman I would say?
 
We definitely need a big personality who isn't afraid and won't take any shit. I think he'd be a good choice.
 
Blackwidow said:
Not with the ones that are disciplined and hard workers... Not with the team workers.

OK - he had his clash with Ibrahimovic when he was at Ajax. He really asked him to work for the team etc. - and Ibra did not really like it. Van Gaal (who was not a coach there but the technical director) sold him to Juve. He is part of Ibra's book. But I think that story just shows the differences between van Gaal and Guardiola. Both could not live with a player like Ibra - van Gaal looked for the confrontation, Guardiola shied out of it. I think the first method is better. As a player you know the situation like this and you can react.

He has his special ideas. And he talks with the players openly. He is nobody for the maybes. Some can take it - some just cannot. Some might still have illusions and think that it might change.

As a Bayern fan and you look back - even if some of his decisions regarding players was controversial - he actually was right even if some where hard to chew at that time.

The story with van Bommel is just an example for that. Van Bommel then was the Bayern captain and the middle of the dressing room. But he was not showing form on the pitch - and you already saw that he somewhen will really be a liability. Van Gaal saw Kroos' future in central midfield (that is actually where he is playing with Guardiola, too) and he got Gustavo in winter 2011. He just could not give van Bommel the starting guarantee and role he had before. Both - van Gaal and van Bommel - had a short fight with the result that van Bommel left for Milan. Looking back it was a blessing that that transition happened like it did even if it added to the failures of that season. But it was the right time to change that and make Lahm and Schweinsteiger the captains. And it was better like this than to have a unsatisfied van Bommel sitting on the bench and maybe even causing turmoil in the dressing room.

He clashed with Demichelis at the start of his second season - the proud Argentinian could not stomach it to sit on the bench. That is why he left. He has his special idea about defenders - they have to be able to start the build up and he wants a right foot on the right and prefers a left foot on the left of the two central defenders. Lucio and his ways to play - especially his reluctancy to change his role - very early caused Lucio to leave for Milan.

He told Gomez and Tymo very early that they are not his buys and that he has problems to give them spots in his system because of the way they play. But - if you look at it now - we were a lot more successful with Olic or Mandzukic as a striker even if they are less potent goal scorers. And Tymo never got more than a bit part role with Heynckes, too - and they would not have any chances playing with Guardiola.

Ribery had his problems - he had no "fun". But the Ribery of 2009/10 was not disciplined - the Ribery of today is. I do not think that he is an example for anything. The Ribery of 2009/10 would have big problems with Guardiola, too...
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A manager who actually has a strong clue about the kind of players he wants and the way he wants his team to play. Yes please.
 
In the interview I posted earlier, van Gaal said he always plays the 433 system. That would surely mean either van Persie or Rooney go bye bye. I wonder how he would fit the current United players into that system.
 
Empire said:
We need two central midfielders (defensive + creative), a left back and a centre back.

Do the dutch squad have any quality in these areas? If so, he'll enter negotiations with the player directly.
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Strootman would of been ideal, only signed for Roma last summer though and has had a serious knee injury which ruled him out of the World Cup. One of Van Gaal's favourite players in his squad, but with Roma qualifying for the Champions League it's unlikely he'll want to leave.
 
If we end up getting him, I don't care if we buy big or not, or even if we win something next season or not.

All I want is for us to play awesome, free flowing football that's exciting to watch. If we achieve that by promoting from within the ranks, that makes it all the more exciting, and if we win something that's great too. But please Louis, make us play awesome football!
 
Blackwidow said:
Not with the ones that are disciplined and hard workers... Not with the team workers.

OK - he had his clash with Ibrahimovic when he was at Ajax. He really asked him to work for the team etc. - and Ibra did not really like it. Van Gaal (who was not a coach there but the technical director) sold him to Juve. He is part of Ibra's book. But I think that story just shows the differences between van Gaal and Guardiola. Both could not live with a player like Ibra - van Gaal looked for the confrontation, Guardiola shied out of it. I think the first method is better. As a player you know the situation like this and you can react.

He has his special ideas. And he talks with the players openly. He is nobody for the maybes. Some can take it - some just cannot. Some might still have illusions and think that it might change.

As a Bayern fan and you look back - even if some of his decisions regarding players was controversial - he actually was right even if some where hard to chew at that time.

The story with van Bommel is just an example for that. Van Bommel then was the Bayern captain and the middle of the dressing room. But he was not showing form on the pitch - and you already saw that he somewhen will really be a liability. Van Gaal saw Kroos' future in central midfield (that is actually where he is playing with Guardiola, too) and he got Gustavo in winter 2011. He just could not give van Bommel the starting guarantee and role he had before. Both - van Gaal and van Bommel - had a short fight with the result that van Bommel left for Milan. Looking back it was a blessing that that transition happened like it did even if it added to the failures of that season. But it was the right time to change that and make Lahm and Schweinsteiger the captains. And it was better like this than to have a unsatisfied van Bommel sitting on the bench and maybe even causing turmoil in the dressing room.

He clashed with Demichelis at the start of his second season - the proud Argentinian could not stomach it to sit on the bench. That is why he left. He has his special idea about defenders - they have to be able to start the build up and he wants a right foot on the right and prefers a left foot on the left of the two central defenders. Lucio and his ways to play - especially his reluctancy to change his role - very early caused Lucio to leave for Milan.

He told Gomez and Tymo very early that they are not his buys and that he has problems to give them spots in his system because of the way they play. But - if you look at it now - we were a lot more successful with Olic or Mandzukic as a striker even if they are less potent goal scorers. And Tymo never got more than a bit part role with Heynckes, too - and they would not have any chances playing with Guardiola.

Ribery had his problems - he had no "fun". But the Ribery of 2009/10 was not disciplined - the Ribery of today is. I do not think that he is an example for anything. The Ribery of 2009/10 would have big problems with Guardiola, too...
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Good post. He sounds like a fair man, if the players want to play for him and buy into his ideas then everything will be fine...I hope.
 
Twigg said:
In the interview I posted earlier, van Gaal said he always plays the 433 system. That would surely mean either van Persie or Rooney go bye bye. I wonder how he would fit the current United players into that system.
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He would know RvP a lot better. And probably trust him more. So Rooney will be in some trouble I think. Can Mata play in a 4-3-3? I've never really seen him play too many times in one?
 
For the ones that know German - this article in Spielverlagerung probably tells a lot about the way he works, about the tactics of all of his teams, the problems he had at Bayern etc.

http://spielverlagerung.de/2011/07/05/louis-van-gaal-der-missverstandene/

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Mrs Smoker said:
Believe he was 4th at the time, outside Champions League place.
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This doesnt look very good

Bayern's chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge explained that there had been "no alternative" but to part company with Van Gaal while president Uli Hoeness said it was a decision which was a long time in coming.

"It all started getting messy when he [Van Gaal] dropped Hans-Jorg Butt and replaced him with Thomas Kraft," he said.

"That brought insecurity into the defence and we could not hold out for much longer.

"Football should be enjoyable, but there has been nothing enjoyable about football at FC Bayern for a while now.

"And to say that he had the players behind him was a myth."

Hoeness carried on by blaming Van Gaal for the recent crowd protests against his own person, saying the Dutchman's opposition to the planned bid for Schalke goalkeeper Manuel Neuer had created divisions in the club.

"The Manuel Neuer issue would never have escalated like it did and we would never have had any problems with the fans," he said.

"Problems were created which were totally unnecessary and which have ripped the club to pieces.

"Louis Van Gaal should consider what he has done."
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Twigg said:
In the interview I posted earlier, van Gaal said he always plays the 433 system. That would surely mean either van Persie or Rooney go bye bye. I wonder how he would fit the current United players into that system.
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Rooney could drop into the two in front of the anchor. van Gaal likes players like Rooney because of his total football approach and Rooney is very well rounded therefore it depends on whether he could convince him to play as a central midfielder.
 
Jed I. Knight said:
If we end up getting him, I don't care if we buy big or not, or even if we win something next season or not.

All I want is for us to play awesome, free flowing football that's exciting to watch. If we achieve that by promoting from within the ranks, that makes it all the more exciting, and if we win something that's great too. But please Louis, make us play awesome football!
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He'll bring with him futbol total.
 
I think he could do the club a power of good. I think we need a big personality who will let the players know who is boss and can handle pressure of the Manchester United goldfish bowl. Also would love to see him bring through some youth players and get the team playing attractive football again.

And most importantly, inject the team with some confidence and get the players enjoying themselves again.

Exciting prospect. I am concerned about him not starting with us until after the world cup though, so hope he would be availble to do some pre-work regarding examining our squad and potential transfers, and coming up with a system which will get the best out of all of our attacking talent.
 
Empire said:
Rooney could drop into the two in front of the anchor. van Gaal likes players like Rooney because of his total football approach and Rooney is very well rounded therefore it depends on whether he could convince him to play as a central midfielder.
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I've seen Coutinho do that for Liverpool in their 4-3-3. It'd be better suited to Kagawa I think. Maybe Mata too. Rooney doesn't seem to have the tactical discipline - he tries to play everywhere. Or maybe Moyes gave him that role who knows.
 
Empire said:
We need two central midfielders (defensive + creative), a left back and a centre back.

Do the dutch squad have any quality in these areas? If so, he'll enter negotiations with the player directly.
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To the Sneijder thread!
 
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