United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

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Sky1981 said:
I can't believe out of all the impressive CVs out there we really go for Moyes.

I mean, seriously... Ancelotti, Mourinho, forget pep/klopp, Louis Van Gaal, even to the lesser extent Martinez, Pochettino, Laudrup, Simeone, all fresh air and guaranteed a new start, we chose Moyes.
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Seriously dude.... let it go.... He is gone, you can stop the crusade now. Just let it go. The thread is about Van Gaal....... just let it go.... its all ok now.
 
An Irish Red said:
I'd have took all three of them over Moyes. I'd even have went for Martin O'Neill before him, being honest.
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It is hard to believe when people say they'd have preferred a Martinez who got Wigan relegated and consistently had them scuffling at the bottom of the league.
Moyes was clearly a better choice at the time.

On revisionism obviously the opposite is true.

The Southampton manager would have been a mad pick, he'd have only had a half season or so there when Moyes was picked! Laudrup a bit longer, but still way too soon. And he's been sacked since. By Swansea
 
Sandikan said:
that was a once in a lifetime crop though, much like our class of 92
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Well Ajax are renowned for developing WC players and to be fair VG is renowned for giving youths a chance. Actually I am more impressed with VG's attitude in giving the likes of Xavi, Puyol and Muller a chance. Many managers would rely on youths if they got a talented bunch and no other option. However very few managers would risk their neck and rely on youths when the club is rich and equally demanding.
 
Sandikan said:
It is hard to believe when people say they'd have preferred a Martinez who got Wigan relegated and consistently had them scuffling at the bottom of the league.
Moyes was clearly a better choice at the time.

On revisionism obviously the opposite is true.

The Southampton manager would have been a mad pick, he'd have only had a half season or so there when Moyes was picked! Laudrup a bit longer, but still way too soon. And he's been sacked since. By Swansea
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All of the managers named had no history of success but Moyes was the only one out of them who hadn't shown that he was attack minded and/or progressive. Those qualities are very important in my opinion.

Managers like Pochettino might not be as good at stabilising a club as Moyes is but they have an infinitely higher ceiling.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Not everyone man!

I'm not havin a dig at you personally & i think its fantastic you're broadening your horizons. Go & see the world & experience all that life offers you my man. But come back. I've done it & i dont see an end to my travels. Never will either!

Irish folk in recent times have just used the Country & have no loyalty to it. The amount of ex-pats that "came home" during the boom was huge & then when the shit hit the fan in 2008 - they feckin buggered off again. The same folk then shite on in other countries about their Irishness & how great a country it is - yet dont wanna live there because times are tough. I've been all over the world & heard the same shite from folk about their countries - they're a walkin Tourist Information Centre.

Yet when i ask them: "if your country is so great - why the feck are you running away from it?"

I always get the same old spiel - "it was doin my head in to be honest.." :lol:

Enjoy your stay, bring back what you've learned & make the country grow. Ireland's a rough diamond & it does my head in that folk by-pass its unique qualities as a people & a way of being. There's no place like home aul han!
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Oh I'll be back, don't worry. Whether that's going to benefit the country or not is another matter :lol: This is a short term thing, time to travel is now while I'm young. China is an interesting place but I wouldn't ever consider living here permanently - you really learn to appreciate some things living here.

Could talk about this for ages but we would be going ever so slightly off topic in this thread!
 
togg said:
ugly fecker though isn't he......what cartoon character is he like?

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Anyone seen a Japanese anime called Hajime No Ippo? Van Gaal is a dead ringer for a character in that. Just remove the glasses :lol:

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pocco said:
Apparently members of the first team squad are already letting the club know they don't want Van Gaal. This won't end well.
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If true, then who the hell do they want? They can't keep running back to daddy Ferguson when they don't like the new babysitter.
 
Keenst said:
If true, then who the hell do they want? They can't keep running back to daddy Ferguson when they don't like the new babysitter.
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I reckon the squad will be quite split on this. Rooney for one will be extremely worried about what van Gaal's appointment will mean for his future considering van Gaal already shares a good working relationship with our other star striker.
 
I seriously can't wait to see the back of half of these cnuts. All these years I prided my self in being a supporter of the club whose players, except Rooney, are different from the mercenaries at Chelsea or City. Players with more character. One year without Sir Alex and they are showing their true colors. This is infuriating stuff.
 
Other than van persie none of our players have worked with him. The hell do they know?

Also I'm fairly sure van persie would glowingly recommend him. They seem to have a strong relationship.

How any of our players other than maybe the seniors would know much about him is beyond me.

The only one I can think of is Rooney. Personally I don't give a damn about what Wayne Rooney thinks.
 
Shinjisan said:
I seriously can't wait to see the back of half of these cnuts. All these years I prided my self in being a supporter of the club whose players, except Rooney, are different from the mercenaries at Chelsea or City. Players with more character. One year without Sir Alex and they are showing their true colors. This is infuriating stuff.
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I know, this whole episode has left a sour taste. I honestly didn't expect a team assembled by Fergie would be filled with so many bad characters.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football...aal-manchester-united-colourful-controversial

Louis van Gaal – colourful and controversial but he is a serial winner

The question that was posed to Louis van Gaal at the press conference earlier in the season seemed innocuous enough. The subject was Wesley Sneijder, who Van Gaal had recalled to the Holland team and the manager was asked what he would do if the midfielder did the business in the World Cup qualifier against Estonia.

Van Gaal was in the throes of a characteristically passionate answer when he suddenly threw out his arms and bellowed into the microphone that he would celebrate like this. It was one of those moments that took you aback and there were slightly nervous laughs from the floor. But nobody ought really to have been surprised because this, after all, is Van Gaal; the king of zaniness and over-the-top outpourings, not to mention latent hostility towards the media.

The incident made a mark in Holland; there were the obligatory house music remixes on YouTube and, in many ways, it provided a snapshot of the borderline craziness of the 62-year-old national team manager who is, by some distance, the most colourful and controversial character in Dutch football.

He is also the most in demand. Tottenham Hotspur have made overtures towards him and Manchester United have him under consideration to become the permanent successor to David Moyes, who they sacked on Tuesday morning. Van Gaal is likely to have other options as he approaches the end of his contract with Holland – he becomes a free agent after the World Cup finals in Brazil – and he could be in a position to play some of them off against others.

The sense that he has been waiting for the Moyes Out development at Old Trafford has not endeared him at Tottenham. He met with them last December before they appointed Tim Sherwood as André Villas-Boas's successor and he has remained prominent in their thoughts as they prepare to make another change in the summer.

Van Gaal has made no secret of his desire to manage in the Premier League and he is also quite clear about where he sees his standing in the game. Having previously managed Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich, he believes that he is a part of the very elite. If it were a choice between Manchester United and Tottenham, he would choose the former, and the knowledge of this might explain why some employees at White Hart Lane had started to pooh-pooh the idea of Van Gaal coming to them even before Moyes' dismissal.

Van Gaal is the subject of endless fascination and scrutiny, particularly in Holland, where a book about the complexities of his character was published last month. In 'O, Louis', the journalist Hugo Borst examines what makes Van Gaal such a special and unique person, why he is always fighting and, essentially, how he tiptoes the line between madness and genius.

Consider some of the ego-centric stories – most infamously, the pants-down motivational speech in the Bayern dressing-room, which feels apocryphal but is true – and the line appears blurred, to say the least.

In that scene, the angry Van Gaal disrobed in an attempt to make a point about why he substituted players, although confusion reigned. Luca Toni, Bayern's striker at the time, thought Van Gaal was suggesting ‚ "he had the balls" to drop anyone, yet the manager actually wanted to say that any substitutions were not for his ego but the sake of the team.

Van Gaal might be extreme in word and deed but his appeal has always been located in his tactical knowledge. His analysis is notoriously detailed and accurate and he sets up his teams both to play attractive passing football and to win. He was influenced by Holland's total football of the 1970s, when he was a young midfielder making his way in the game but his managerial CV is embossed by trophies.

His time in charge of Ajax, between 1991-97, was his most glorious, with three Eredivisie titles (including an unbeaten league season in 1995); the Uefa Cup in 1992 and the Champions League in 1995. He became a knight of the Dutch realm. He also won La Liga with Barcelona in 1998 and 1999; one more Eredivisie with unfancied AZ Alkmaar in 2009 and the Bundesliga with Bayern in 2010.

Van Gaal wins players' respect through his vision and know-how, but he also works hard to build strong relationships; to be connected with them on a personal level. Players past and present talk of how he remembers their wives' birthdays and the names of their children while Van Gaal has described himself as a "relationships coach".

His methods have tended to work the best with young players or older ones who have remained open-minded and hungry. Van Gaal has struggled at times with those that have achieved star status and become more cynical. An example came in the qualifying campaign for the 2002 World Cup, in his first spell as the Holland manager, when he took over a squad that featured many of the players from his Champions League-winning Ajax team.

Back then, the likes of Frank and Ronald De Boer, Clarence Seedorf, Edgar Davids and Patrick Kluivert were determined to make their names and they responded to Van Gaal. Years on and with reputations established, the relationship was not so productive. Egos collided. Holland missed out on Japan and South Korea.

Control is fundamental to Van Gaal and there are invariably problems when he feels that his authority over technical matters has been questioned. They flare regularly with the press. He once told a journalist: "Am I so smart or are you so stupid?" which has proved to be one of his most famous quotes, although disagreements with club colleagues have pockmarked his career.

It was perhaps inevitable that he would clash with Uli Hoeness and Karl-Heinz Rummenigge at Bayern; football men who were, nominally, on the administrative side but who have strong opinions about the team. "Van Gaal's failure is clearly in his attitude," Rummenigge said after Van Gaal had left in 2011. "If that mentality is customary – as it is with Felix Magath – you have to have success. If it fails, you lose your friends."

Van Gaal endured friction at Barcelona with Rivaldo, the Brazil forward while, during his spell as Ajax's technical director in 2004, he clashed with the manager, Ronald Koeman. During a training camp in Portugal, Van Gaal took a chair for himself and placed it on the side of the pitch and, arms folded, he would watch all of Koeman's sessions from it. It is not difficult to imagine how Van Gaal might have reacted had the roles been reversed.

At Alkmaar, after a difficult season in 2007-08, when the team finished 11th out of 18, Van Gaal had wanted to quit. Many of the squad lacked hunger and his methods were not working. But a few key players urged him to stay and shape the team as he wanted for the following season. He did so, dropping the difficult players, imposing his mentality and winning the title by 11 points.

When Van Gaal can manage in his way, with his control and with players that he rates, the results can be impressive. He almost went to Manchester United in 2002 only for Sir Alex Ferguson to reverse his decision to retire. The fireworks have long come as standard.
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Bebe said:
Other than van persie none of our players have worked with him. The hell do they know?

Also I'm fairly sure van persie would glowingly recommend him. They seem to have a strong relationship.

How any of our players other than maybe the seniors would know much about him is beyond me.

The only one I can think of is Rooney. Personally I don't give a damn about what Wayne Rooney thinks.
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So we, the fans, know everything about him but the players know nothing? They'll know a lot more about him than we do. They'll all have contacts throughout football.
 
pocco said:
The players have all the power. We'll just have to see who they decide to play for over the next few years.
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Probably just the odd senior player. I doubt the rest even have access to the higher ups and would dare get involved. We need to start selling any bad eggs.
 
http://www.4dfoot.com/2013/08/01/i-am-the-ideal-man-15-quotes-by-louis-van-gaal/

1) I know I’m a very good coach.
2) Am I the one who’s so smart, or are you so stupid? (After a journalist had asked him a question.)
3) Congratulations on signing the best coach in the world. (To an Ajax director, after signing his first contract as coach.)
4) Louis van Gaal has nothing more to learn.
5) No, I am the ideal man, of course. (When asked whether Eric Gerets was the ideal man to coach Belgium.)
6) The Bavarian attitude to life suits me perfectly. Why? Bayern’s motto is ‘Mia san mia,’ ‘We are who we are’ and I am who I am: confident, arrogant, dominant, honest, hard-working and innovative.”
7) I have achieved more with Ajax in six years
than Barcelona has in one hundred years. (In 1997 after becoming coach of Barcelona.)
8) I’ve signed a contract with the Dutch national team until 2006,
so I can win the World Cup not once but twice.
9) I’m not the kind of coach who just goes out and buys players for the sake of it. I’m a coach who wants to – and can – improve players.
10) Guardiola follows the Van Gaal Philosophy. So I’m not surprised Bayern have hired Guardiola. Bayern always hire the best managers.
11) I cry almost every day. There’s always something that touches me.
12) I’ve never worn leggings like Robben does. I’m never cold because I’m warm bloooded. My wife says so too. We always sleep spooning.
13) If you want to, go ahead. (After a reporter asked Van Gaal whether he wanted to congratulate his former friend Ronald Koeman with winning the Eredivisie with PSV.)
14) I hope the desire to win is greater than the tiredness. But the body is less strong than the mind. And we’ve got a few wimps in this team. (Ahead of a DFP Pokal match with Bayern.)
15) Friends of the press, I’m leaving. Congratulations.

Bonus – Van Gaal as the populist rhetorician

In 1995, after winning the Intercontinental Cup with Ajax:

We are the best! We are the BEST! And not just of Amsterdam. But also of Rotterdam. And Eindhoven. And Europe.. And now we are the best of the…. WORLD!”


In 2010 after winning the league with Bayern:

Who has the best defense? FC BAYERN! Who has the best attack? FC BAYERN! And that’s why we are: CHAMPIONS! And not just in München. Also in: GELSENKIRCHEN! And also in BREMEN. And in HAMBURG! We are the best of GERMANY. And perhaps soon: of EUROPE!
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"11) I cry almost every day. There’s always something that touches me.
12) I’ve never worn leggings like Robben does. I’m never cold because I’m warm bloooded. My wife says so too. We always sleep spooning."
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Sign this mentalist up now. I can envisage pre season tournaments in Amsterdam where bonuses are paid out to the biggest shagger on the trip and who dares to streak round the Van Gogh museum.
 
Shinjisan said:
I seriously can't wait to see the back of half of these cnuts. All these years I prided my self in being a supporter of the club whose players, except Rooney, are different from the mercenaries at Chelsea or City. Players with more character. One year without Sir Alex and they are showing their true colors. This is infuriating stuff.
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This shows one of Ferguson's many strengths. It's one thing winning the PL but to win it again the next is the really hard part and to win it as many times as you did under Ferguson is quite staggering. He got more out of players than most if not all managers...I doubt we'll see another club win the PL year after year as MU did under him.

With the one person who could keep these 'superstars' focussed and hungry now gone they will be thinking like the majority of other PL players....we win, great! We lose, ahh well, there's always next week. IMO, this attitude is what has gone a long way to getting Moyes sacked and I've no doubt the next guy will benefit from the deadwood/past it players being shown the exit.
 
Shinjisan said:
I seriously can't wait to see the back of half of these cnuts. All these years I prided my self in being a supporter of the club whose players, except Rooney, are different from the mercenaries at Chelsea or City. Players with more character. One year without Sir Alex and they are showing their true colors. This is infuriating stuff.
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Bang on the money. I'm still aghast at their deplorable behaviour.

Shocking.
 
I'm (slightly) warming to the idea of him being our manager. No doubt he's a clever coach with a wealth of footballing knowledge, but my main concern is his distractions with Holland that would hamper our pre-season preparations.

If he was a free-agent right now, he'd probably tick most boxes.
 
I wonder who the reported third offer he has is from. Mainland Europe club is all that has been said.
 
Reports in the paper this morning that some players are against Van Gaal coming in. I sincerely hope that whether its him, Ancelotti or Tony fecking Pulis, that those in the dressing room who think they can pick and choose the manager that suits them will be fecked off out the door immediately.
 
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