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CantonaGiggs1 said:
Giggs needs to be in the staff or else it is no deal for me.

Some of you seem to have no problem cutting ties with the past(or any connection to it), but I do.

Ryan Giggs must remain.
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This is very logicless IMO. We should propose and advice Van Gaal to take Giggs on the staff, but ultimatelly it should be Van Gaal's decision. He'll be the manager and he'll do things his way, because otherwise he'll likely fail.

e can always keep Giggsy as a reserve coach if LVG doesn't want him as his assistant, although I think that he'll keep him. However asking him to keep the entire class of '92 is ridiculous and disgraceful.
 
Kaos said:
Why 'must' he remain?

I'm all for Giggs having a role in the coaching staff, but if van Gaal wants to bring in his own successful coaches, then who are we to question that? Sentimentality won't get us anywhere.
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I never said Van Gaal couldn't bring his coaches. I just want Giggs to remain. Besides, Van Gaal is a short term solution, Giggs could learn from him(like he did with Fergie) and be ready to take over when Van Gaal calls it quits in a few years. It would be a smooth transition and it would be like having the best of both world's(Van Gaal and SAF) rolled into one.
 
Sultan said:
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Why are people getting so worked up with Gary's opinions? He's hardly going to influence the board.
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He's country's leading pundit to be fair, could do without him infecting football fans views with his retarded opinions.
 
I honestly don't get this 'it must be an English manager' thing - it's not just United, I've had the argument with fans of other teams when they've been looking for a manager. To me any organisation wants the best person for the job - and that should be the sole criteria for appointment. I've actually had people say they'd prefer to have an English manager even if it meant they weren't as successful . Seems crazy to me.
 
Plugsy said:
Possibly and I'd object both in terms of principle and also on the fact that if true it'd be something we've suddenly decided is club policy no earlier than Tuesday, which is madness.
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Yeah mate have to say i agree, would seem like a hasty shift away from the how the team has been run for years. There was never anything wrong with the model we had under Ferguson, the set up itself wasn't the reason it didn't work this season we just had the wrong man to lead it.

I personally have never seen the point of a director of football, the idea in principle is ok. But a good chief executive who works closely with the manager can cover most of the duties a DOF is supposed to handle without diluting lines of communication.
 
Erebus said:
I honestly don't get this 'it must be an English manager' thing - it's not just United, I've had the argument with fans of other teams when they've been looking for a manager. To me any organisation wants the best person for the job - and that should be the sole criteria for appointment. I've actually had people say they'd prefer to have an English manager even if it meant they weren't as successful . Seems crazy to me.
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Hate those kind of people, with a passion, I really really do :mad:
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
Giggs needs to be in the staff or else it is no deal for me.

Some of you seem to have no problem cutting ties with the past(or any connection to it), but I do.

Ryan Giggs must remain.
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You do know there is absolutely nothing to suggest Ryan Giggs is going to be a good manager don't you? There is far to much sentiment among some people.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
You do know there is absolutely nothing to suggest Ryan Giggs is going to be a good manager don't you? There is far to much sentiment among some people.
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What would it take to suggest that a man(who has never managed before) has what it takes to be a good manager?

If there is nothing to suggest that Giggs could be a good manager, can you name me someone who you think would make a good manager(that has never managed or coached before), and why?

Before Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, and Ancelotti were ever given a coaching/managing job, what suggested that they could make world-class managers?


I don't see how it would hurt to give Ryan Giggs a chance to gain experience. He would have learned from 2 great football men(SAF and VG). And I disagree with you, I think Giggs has what it takes to make a good manager. We will never find out unless we give him a chance to prove it.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
Before Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, and Ancelotti were ever given a coaching/managing job, what suggested that they could make world-class managers?
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All of them started from the bottom and deserved the job (especially the last 3). You just don't get one of the biggest jobs on football just because you have played well for 2 decades. Mourinho - one of the best ever managers - haven't played at all.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
What would it take to suggest that a man(who has never managed before) has what it takes to be a good manager?

If there is nothing to suggest that Giggs could be a good manager, can you name me someone who you think would make a good manager(that has never managed or coached before), and why?

Before Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, and Ancelotti were ever given a coaching/managing job, what suggested that they could make world-class managers?


I don't see how it would hurt to give Ryan Giggs a chance to gain experience. He would have learned from 2 great football men(SAF and VG). And I disagree with you, I think Giggs has what it takes to make a good manager. We will never find out unless we give him a chance to prove it.
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I'm not suggesting Ryan in time couldn't be a good manager but this idea that some have that we should just throw him straight in when he has never managed a dressing room, a transfer market etc is somewhat strange. Those names you mentioned, you are right they were given the chance to prove themselves but not at the biggest club in the world who are coming off the back off their worst season in many years.

Also, I don't get this notion that a couple of years as an assistant manager would be acceptable experience before taking on such a huge club, surely in a perfect world Ryan would go and prove he's managerial qualities at a club where he could improve them?

I am also not saying that should Louis Van Gaal shouldn't keep Ryan on the coaching staff, I actually believe he will but to say if Van Gaal doesn't want the burden of a club legend hanging around which is completely understandable he shouldn't be given the job isn't really fair.
 
Revan said:
All of them started from the bottom and deserved the job (especially the last 3). You just don't get one of the biggest jobs on football just because you have played well for 2 decades. Mourinho - one of the best ever managers - haven't played at all.
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Has everyone gone insane? When in this thread did I say to give the job to Giggs right now? I am talking about giving him a coaching job and allow him to gain experience under van Gaal.
 
He should manage the youth team or the reserves and see how he does first. Any assumption he needs to be groomed to go straight into first team management is still sentimentality overload. Would SAF have appointed him his assistant? Did he appoint Ole? Who he said was one of the most astute readers of the game he'd ever seen? No, because he wasn't mental. He made him climb the ladder. Any ladder. Some fecking ladder however tiny at least.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
Has everyone gone insane? When in this thread did I say to give the job to Giggs right now? I am talking about giving him a coaching job and allow him to gain experience under van Gaal.
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Give over. Giggs just doesn't have the experience or credentials to take over right now. You're being too sentimental. I mean maybe give him a job on the coaching staff to gain experience, but you're crazy if you think we should give him the job permanently, right now!
 
RexHamilton said:
Give over. Giggs just doesn't have the experience or credentials to take over right now. You're being too sentimental. I mean maybe give him a job on the coaching staff to gain experience, but you're crazy if you think we should give him the job permanently, right now!
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Please tell me English isn't your first language.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
Has everyone gone insane? When in this thread did I say to give the job to Giggs right now? I am talking about giving him a coaching job and allow him to gain experience under van Gaal.
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So why do you mention them considering that all of them started directly on management?

About him becoming a coach/assistant manager now, I have been advocating that idea too. It seems the best option by far.
 
Baxter said:
Marcotti obviously has a bit of a personal issue with LVG.
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His biggest arguement being he really had a poor time in his first stint as the Dutch manager, but... he was given the same job again.. and qualified with record points total?, the only really decent point made in the discussion is his Dutch side will be under the microscope this summer if he gets the job, coupled with the fact he's in a hard group with a very limited (by their standards) Dutch side.
 
Baxter said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...for-Carlo-Ancelotti-at-Manchester-United.html

Ogden running with the 5 coaches snag. If we want him, we should give him the coaches, especially when Ancelotti is unrealistic at this moment.
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That would be extremely stupid, considering we let Moyes fire our roster including the goal keeping coach in the name of 'getting his own men in', if we don't let an experienced coach like Van Gaal bring his coaches. What continuity? Phil Neville and Ryan Giggs weren't in the coaching roster last year, Butt and Scholes wasn't even part of the coaching set up with the senior team. What sort of continuity are we aiming for?
 
This Class of '92 bollocks is at risk of getting out of control. Woodward must rule with his head on this one, for the good of the club. We have pandered to romanticism and sentimentality for too long now, it's time to get some bollocks and actually make a change to the way we play our football.
 
I don't see what is angering some people. I'd have no problem with Van Gaal bringing in some of his own people but I do think five is a bit extreme especially bringing two assistant managers and a goalkeeping coach. That's more than Moyes brought and I think it would probably inevitably end up creating a dutch clique at the club which always leads to resentment among players. I imagine Woodward wants him to limit it to maybe 2 or 3 people in senior roles brought with him which frees up a bit of space to accommodate Giggs and others.
 
Baxter said:
Marcotti obviously has a bit of a personal issue with LVG.
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thats true, still some opinions on this podcast are pretty valid.
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1) (...) I just think the thing about van Gaal is, that he just seems to be again a bit of personality based appointment and what we are seeing these days are clubs do well to set out a real technical vision about what they want to achieve as a club and how to go in a certain direction. I just seems like the decision making process at United both last summer and this summer is, well we need a certain personality. I just dont get the impression, that there is currently any great technical vision (...)

2) (...) I dont understand why he should be all of the sudden the best option for Manchester United with all the negative that comes with him and with the fact that his brand of football is very different from what Sir Alex played (...)
 
Is the argument really that unless the coaches that have been in their posts five minutes are retained it's somehow a massive blow to continuity?
 
It would be mad - absolutely mad - to hire a coach like Van Gaal and do anything other than let him bring in whoever the feck he wants to.
 
Van Gaal once said that "running is for animals". Would he apply this to Real Madrid's current playing style?

I hope not.
 
The thing that is unsettling me the most about all of this is that I'm really not sure what I want to happen now. One of the reasons that I thought Moyes would stick around would be because of a lack of options to replace him which, unfortunately, seems to be the case. Van Gaal has loads of experience but seems to be being linked out of convenience more than anything and the fact that Giggs is the only real alternative being touted around is pretty damn worrying. I love Giggsy and I think/hope he is manager one day but to put him in charge when we are about to undergo a likely rather large overhaul seems slightly mental. We need someone who knows what he is doing in the transfer market and on the tactics board, not just someone who will make the players try really hard for him.
 
walsh said:
The thing that is unsettling me the most about all of this is that I'm really not sure what I want to happen now. One of the reasons that I thought Moyes would stick around would be because of a lack of options to replace him which, unfortunately, seems to be the case. Van Gaal has loads of experience but seems to be being linked out of convenience more than anything and the fact that Giggs is the only real alternative being touted around is pretty damn worrying. I love Giggsy and I think/hope he is manager one day but to put him in charge when we are about to undergo a likely rather large overhaul seems slightly mental. We need someone who knows what he is doing in the transfer market and on the tactics board, not just someone who will make the players try really hard for him.
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I am feeling the same way. I am a little concerned about how he would have us playing.
 
Brightonian said:
It would be mad - absolutely mad - to hire a coach like Van Gaal and do anything other than let him bring in whoever the feck he wants to.
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I'd agree, especially if it was for defending a coaching staff, none of whom existed in their present capacity a year ago, most a week ago. I think there's a fear we could become a bit 'home-schooled', the likes of Giggs and Scholes who have known no other way of life almost. I don't think that's healthy particularly. I don't see why being asked to go into the world and sample different things and cultures and experiences and to learn from your own mistakes -is a bad thing. It makes me a bit uncomfortable the idea of having coaches whose only interest it is to manage Manchester United.

Surely if Scholes had a passion for coaching he'd not have needed to wait until his mate called to get him a job at the place he felt most familiar. I don't want coaches here who are only here because they like the idea of continued employment by Manchester United rather than the job of actually being a coach. It just seems as if it's something to do rather than something he necessarily wants to do. If coaching is your passion, go for it. Why wait for a United vacancy to come up? To me that raises questions about someone's motivation for the role if they only seem to have interest performing that role at one club. How dedicates to the job does that sound?
 
Plugsy said:
Incidentally Ancelotti is 28/1 now, Giggs 6/1, Van Gaal 1/10
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People have this false perception that betting odds actually mean something. They don't know any more than you or me. There are only 2-3 who know anything that is happening inside the club, and that is reputable journalists.

There has been many, many occasions were the odds got lower but nothing happend.
 
Bader said:
People have this false perception that betting odds actually mean something. They don't know any more than you or me. There are only 2-3 who know anything that is happening inside the club, and that is reputable journalists.

There has been many, many occasions were the odds got lower but nothing happend.
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I didn't say they meant anything, but if Ogden is printing an article saying it 'paves the way for Ancelotti' then 28/1 may sound inviting
 
Bayern has this system where manager can come and go, but their structure stay intact. Which brings to new manager only bring few of their men. I like this idea, because as we know, LVG won't be here for a long time but Manchester United is. And we don't know if his appointment will work or not.

So, just like Bayern, I'd like for the new manager to use what's available on the United structure, and only bring people that absolutely necessary for him to perform.
 
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