please stop with the Hitler comparisons......the biggest mass murderer of all time.
extremely insensitive and immature.
extremely insensitive and immature.
United linked with van Gaal in the meeja
- Thread starter Erentz
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
- Status
Someone lock this thread. Open it until we get new info. This is just going down hill.
Anyway who is Giovanni even ? He clearly was't good enough for Barcelona. Later graced Olympiakos, Al-Hilal and Mogi Mirim amongst other illustrious clubs of the game.
Am I? I'm perfectly fine. Just because I think the guys a cnut whilst he's suddenly the hottest manager around on here, doesn't really bother me. I'm cool sharing a different opinion.
Fair enough. A more prudent approach wouldn't hurt would it?
He's dug himself into a hole really. Comparing someone to Hitler is stupid but when challenged to then clarify that you believe they have same personality and attitude is absolutely mental.
I hope so!
What?
I'd suggest we return to the thread topic.
I meant attitudes as in the way he acts. He said that I claimed they 'share the same attitudes', which basically implies they share the same beliefs. He was twisting my words.
He's just saying that Van Gaal has the same attitude as the greatest mass murderer in history, not that he's actually a mass murderer. Jeez you guys!
I think you mean "mannerisms" not attitude. 2 completely different things.
Rio was asked by the BBC would he look forward to working with Van Gaal and his reply was far from enthusiatic.
Complete rubbish! How can you even say he has the same type of personality and attitude as Hitler. That's sick. Just because he doesn't take shit?
To be fair, Rio hasn't been enthusiastic about anything bar singing in his car and seeing Adnan wearing a Rio 5 Ferdy cap this season.
So you don't like him, therefore he's like or is Hitler? C'mon man. Try and be reasonable about this and stop thinking comparing him to Hitler is in anyway appropriate in any context outside of being a very ill-judged joke. You're on dodgy ground here, so I'd recommend leaving the thread for a bit and for everyone else I think we should try and turn our attention away from Adolf Hitler and back onto LVG.
Maybe some do not get his personality right. Yes, he wants discipline - but he ain't that big an authorian. It is not that he likes people the most that are just "Yes-Sayers" - if you look at what players he likes and that he e.g. promoted a Mourinho he loves the intelligent persons around him most.
Maybe you should read some interviews with Truus van Gaal who believes that her husband is often too naive and believes too much in the good in persons.
His personality has a lot of different sides. Not only his belief in himself and his doings. You might need to have that to have success. And in the relationship with players who do not match his system or do not as they should he just uses the direct way - you can think about it like you want but I think that is a lot fairer than others. Players no their position and do not have to guess. Saves you a lot from longtime trouble...
Maybe you should read some interviews with Truus van Gaal who believes that her husband is often too naive and believes too much in the good in persons.
His personality has a lot of different sides. Not only his belief in himself and his doings. You might need to have that to have success. And in the relationship with players who do not match his system or do not as they should he just uses the direct way - you can think about it like you want but I think that is a lot fairer than others. Players no their position and do not have to guess. Saves you a lot from longtime trouble...
can't we do stalin for a bit whilst we're here?
What did he say? Any link?
Hitler comparisons are made all the time on here. His name is always thrown around without a second thought, especially when it's about people outside the club or the way RAWK is ran etc. Just because it's about Van Gaal there's uproar. I posted newspaper articles and published opinions that made the same comparison.
I made comparisions between VG and Mussolini a few pages back. I wasn't referring to their political ideas, humanity or character but merely on their way of delivering a speech. For all I know even if that speech was made up by Gandhi or Martin Luther King in that way, I would still say the same thing.
I still think he deliver speeches more like Mussolini then Hitler. Hitler was more aggressive then Mussolini in his speeches (close to histerical) Mussolini delivered his speeches with an almost comical overconfidence and with that small pauses between one sentence and another to allow his words to sink in.
Just because people were published saying idiotic things doesn't make it any more right, or acceptable to be espousing on here.
Rio really needs to leave the club.
Giggs on the manager being announced in the next couple of weeks:
EDIT: You lot, stop it.
EDIT: You lot, stop it.
Fergie was Stalin. Lasted a long time, got rid of anyone who threatened his leadership, had spies everywhere etc etc.
Are you talking about the interview on Football Focus just now? You've interpreted it completely different to me
No, but I think people are trying to make a big deal because I'm talking ill of their new saviour. When people throw Hitlers name around any other time on here nobody bats an eyelid. He's an extremely authoritarion style manager that shares some other traits with Hitler. Not all, as I pointed out, but some. If anyone can give me a better, more politically correct example then I'll go with that instead.
Haha! I can understand the way the speech was delivered is reminiscent of a fascist leader. Doesn't mean we can compare character. Apart from that, yea you're entitled to whatever you wanna say.
So what this seems to boil down to is Van Gaal gave a speech on a balcony, now he's being compared to anyone who has also given a speech on a balcony or podium.
Imagine if Sir Alex gave his final speech from the roof of Old Trafford.
Imagine if Sir Alex gave his final speech from the roof of Old Trafford.
Have you seen the videos of Van Gaal givin his speeches to his players? He loses his shit big time. At least I think you get what I meant with my comparison.
I know which is basically what the content of my post was. Calling someone Hitler-esque or whatever is relatively common if a bit misguided; to then clarify that you think the person has the same personality and attitudes of Hitler is insane. There is no way to separate the attitude and personality of Hitler to the many unforgivable crimes he was responsible for. Clearly one influenced the other. Saying someone has the same personality as Hitler is pretty much unacceptable.
That was what he meant to say. Far from Enthusiastic.
Enthusiastic.................................................Not Enthusiastic
------------------------------------------------->HERE<-----------
Wow, this thread has been derailed somewhat.
Well, I think I'm going to sit you out of this thread for a bit. I said this was inappropriate and you continued.
What did he say?
it's ok Adzzz, pocco is just cut up about Moyes sacking because he's friends with the Moyes family (apparently).
That's just wrong, in my opinion. Hitler had an attitude and a strong belief in what he was trying to carry out. Van Gaal is the same, but in a footballing context. The comparison ends there and I made that perfectly clear.
Back onto LVG now folks.
"We are not just the champions of Manchester. But also of Liverpool. And Birmingham. And London. And hopefully......EUROPE."
That's the thing.
And to be fair they may share similarities because deep down they share the same goal ie to incite the audience in front of them. VG had just won the league and wanted to incite the fans to show their happiness. Mussolini had just declared war to the allies and wanted the Italians to show as much as enthusiasm as possible (many Italians weren't keen to war back then especially since they were siding with the Germans ie WW1 former enemy). Speeches like that are mechanized and practized to the least detail (For example Mussolini used to copy Maciste a popular film figure in Italy at that time inspired by Hercules) which surely doesn't reflect a person's true colours at all.
So did Giovanni leave the squad on holiday or when still getting paid to play?
Last edited:
- Status