Wayne Rooney | 2011/12 Performances

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Gazza said:
Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.
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Look at Rooney's recent scoring record in the knock-out stages. They are very good.

Rooney has put in multiple fantastic performances against AC Milan. He has also helped destroy Arsenal and Chelsea.

He also scored in the CL final and was our only player who looked like he was able to play with the Spanish boys.

Rooney has been great in the CL for the last few years.
 
Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.
 
Gazza said:
Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.
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I think that's a tad harsh. He may not have been the best player in the Champions League in any given season but he's been consistently productive in the knockout stages of the competition. Since scoring against Roma in 2007 to end his European drought he has scored 14 in 24 starts in knockout ties, scoring in a final, and a couple of semi-finals. Ronaldo has managed 13 in the same time period although probably from less starts.

Rooney may have left a giant footprint on the competition in 2010 had he not got injured. 4 goals against Milan, followed by the opener against Bayern. You have to feel we would have got past Bayern if Rooney was 100% considering the form he was in, and with Inter putting Barca out it is possible United and Rooney could have been successful.
 
Other inconsistent strikers out there: Drogba, Torres, Ibrahimovich, Berbatov, Benzema, Saha, Anelka, Suarez, Adebayor.

Rooney's goal droughts are annoying but most top strikers go on barren runs. It's really annoying with Rooney because when he is on a good scoring spree it looks like he can literally bag a hattrick in every game.
 
lets take ibrahimovic in his last 3 seasons in the league(inter, barca, ac):
08/09 - 35 starts 25 goals 7 assists
09/10 - 23 starts 16 goals 7 assists
10/11 - 29 starts 14 goals 11 assists

thats a pretty good return i think we'd all agree

rooneys last 3 seasons in the league -
08/09 - 25 starts 12 goals 7 assists
09/10 - 35 starts 26 goals 3 assists
10/11 - 25 starts 11 goals 11 assists

contributing more or less a goal in every game he plays, fantastic record really
 
With Villa injured.....I think he'll have the longest 15+ goals a season streak going out of all the top players. With assists, he's been involved in 25 goals directly in 8 consecutive seasons.
 
Gazza said:
Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.
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Overall in the CL knockout stages Rooney's got 14 in 27 starts, Ronaldo 14 in 28, Messi 18 in 29 - he can't have been that bad. Rooney last year was the key player in the knockouts and took apart teams in the quarter finals and semis as well as scoring a very nice equaliser. Also scored against Milan twice on three occasions, two of which in 09/10 when he also opened the scoring against Bayern before the injury...I know what you mean though, it's all a case of what if really. It's not every year you come up against a side as strong as Barcelona, what if it was any other team? He might well have been the driving force in the CL final just as he was in the rest of the knockout stages last year. What if he didn't get that injury against Bayern?

He's had a number of standout performances but it's true to an extent, he's never had a Champions League performance that's let everyone know he is one of the best players around. Even Gerrard's had that. Still, he's clearly a top player.
 
Plan M said:
Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.
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Even when not in form , Rooney contributes in many ways to our play.
 
rooney's form come in patches but he is a world class footballer. no doubt we are much a better team when rooney is on song.

we are spoilt by the brilliance of messi and ronaldo these days, because both of them are averaging almost 1 goal every 1 game. other top strikers are just like rooney in terms of consistency with their goalscoring form.

great to know he has a decent goalscoring record in the knock out stages of the champions league, and yes he has scored and performed well against european football giants over the years.

i also believe he is top of the premiership's list of goals and assists combined over the last 5 or 6 years, if i'm not mistaken.
 
I didn't mean to be harsh on Rooney, just adding some balance to it - I don't think it's laughable to question whether Rooney is world class. I would say he's had some world class performances in the Champions League, and his goal record is good, but for a world class player he hasn't had a consistent CL campaign, performance wise. I may have been harsh in my initial post though, granted.
 
The thing about Rooney is that we all feel that he should be better. It's irritating when the head screws with the talent. His worst enemy is himself.
 
wr8_utd said:
There are often debates on here about the validity of calling Rooney world class due to his "inconsistencies" actually.
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Yes, "" because they aren't real. Rooboy is a real consistent performer!

Rooney could be up there with Messi and Ronaldo. His all too common and all too prolonged spells of lack of form sets him apart from them. It's frustrating because it's hard to see any reason why he shouldn't be up there with them. (Except, of course, professionalism and mental strength.)
 
to the lad saying take the 50m pound for him? feck off come on who would we replace him with? Rooney is a one of a kind striker/workhorse he scores big goals in big games and sets up goals take that 50m shove it up ** arse.
 
Messi and Ronaldo have really twisted what people expect of their players. If Rooney isnt world class, few are. Laughable to even debate it imo.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Messi and Ronaldo have really twisted what people expect of their players. If Rooney isnt world class, few are. Laughable to even debate it imo.
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Yup - oh Rooney doesn't stand up statistically or aesthetically to two of the top players of this generation, so he mustn't be World Class.
 
You immediately have posters bringing up the likes of Drogba and Villa and Ibrahimovic as better players than Wayne. Not many strikers can play the No.10 role like Rooney does. I just wish for one season we didn't play with Rooney but someone like David Villa. Would really show what Rooney is to our team and how vital he is. A fecking injury hits us, SAF asks Wayne to play Left wing. He does it. He asks him to play CM he does it and plenty a time you see him defending on his D-line. I think people will really realize what kind of a player Rooney really is if he leaves ( next couple of years-hope not).
 
Varun_Utd said:
Messi and Ronaldo have really twisted what people expect of their players. If Rooney isnt world class, few are. Laughable to even debate it imo.
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This. Those two have really spoilt how football fans view the sports. Now any game without a goal/assist is a poor one. :wenger:
 
Plan M said:
Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.
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I think that's the problem.
 
He's a world class player and there shouldn't be any debate about it.

People do mention his inconsistency when comes to scoring but that's just matter of position he's playing. No wonder his only great goalscoring season was 09/10 when he played centar forward with no defensive duties who's only task was to be in 16yards and wait for the ball. So he didn't drop to midfield for the ball, or covered wing(s) when one of winger would cut it, didn't look for the space to create for striker up-front as he was the main target for the other players and all he had to do was put the ball into the net. If we put him back into that position again he would score more on regular basis, but we would lose to much of his vision, creativity and passing then we would gain with his goals.

Rooney is unique striker in world football with to many great abilites and don't know any other striker that will chase full back to the goal line if needed just to cover for the ball. He takes all his defensive duties seriously, runs for the 90minutes, makes assist (direct assist or through vision that influence our overall attacking play) and scores goals with a little dip in that departmant sometims but still manages to have double figures every year. All of my friend consider him as brilliant player that would be automatic starter for every team in the world since his postional play is second to none. He played left winger during Ronaldo time here, CF position, behind the striker, and has some spells in midfield and what's common for all that is his 100% commitment in every position. Can't really ask for the more from him.
 
Plan M said:
Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.
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No chance would anyone want this to happen surely.

With that 50Mill assuming Fergie was given it all to spend, who would you bring in as a realistic replacement?
 
Black Adder said:
People do mention his inconsistency when comes to scoring but that's just matter of position he's playing.
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Well this isn't true. Many forget Rooney had a run when he scored just 1 goal in 9 games in 09/10 - which is a longer run of scoring no more than a goal than he's had at any point this season. He's scored in 11 different games for us this year from 28 overall, he scored in 23 games from 44 overall in 09/10 - certainly a more consistent goalscorer but not by that huge an amount, he's just a pretty streaky goalscorer in general I think.
 
Randall Flagg said:
No chance would anyone want this to happen surely.

With that 50Mill assuming Fergie was given it all to spend, who would you bring in as a realistic replacement?
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There's no one good enough. Rvp, Villa, Aguero and maybe Ibra are in the same league as Rooney and we wouldn't get any of them.
 
Gazza said:
Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.
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Aye, he has only been an integral part of a team that have won it once and been runners up twice in the past five years. I think you are talking about the kind of Champions League campaign that wins a player World Player of the year. In that case, no he hasn't hit those levels and as a result he has never appeared in the top three places for that particular award.

He has however, appeared in the World X1 this year, as voted for by 40000 professional footballers from around the world. If he is considered on of the best two forwards in the world by his peers then I guess that it is safe to say that he is 'World class'
 
cheesy said:
The post I quoted made it seem like Rooney could be put in any position whatsoever, and thrive as long as he tried his best, which isn't true.

He can play as a striker, but I feel that he adds so much more to the team when we play him in a deeper role. Back during that prolific season, I think he was still developing as a player. He wasn't as good as a playmaker then as he is now, and could play in either attacking position though. Since then though, he's improved his game in a deeper role.
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By "wherever" I obviously either up top on "his own" or behind the main striker.Rooney as a CM or winger doesn't compute for me, it's a waste
 
Brosstan said:
It doesnt prevent him from scoring but it makes it unlikely that he will hit the 30 goals per season heights of 09/10 that he will need to become all time top scorer at United.

He is much more useful deep than up front anyway, and our whole attacking play benefits from him playing deep with Welbeck working the line ahead of him. Thats more important than Rooney's personal scoring record.
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Why does he need to be the all time top scorer at United ? I think if he stays at United without being a consistent 30goal a season player, he will achieve it anyway.
 
World class is such a subjective term anyway rendering any conversation on it's basis completely useless.

Rooney's a class player. But I think he's still not reached his peak or fulfilled his potential. There are elements of his game that if you add to the player he is today and which were once part of his game, he'd be absolutely incredible.

Regarding the consistency levels, it depends what scale you're judging him by. If it's the likes of Henry when he dominated the league, then he falls well short. But compared to other top strikers today, not so much. But it is something to improve on. I don't see why Rooney shouldn't be aspiring to Henry's levels and settling for matching the likes of Ibrahimovic.
 
Plan M said:
Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.
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This does seem to be the unpopular opinion, but I have to be honest and admit that I'd take your side when it comes to this argument.

He is world class at times, however that other off form side to him is one that shows up too often. It's not as if it just appears the odd time. He sometimes goes through several month spells of not playing at his best, and we can't have that.

I'd bite the hand of anyone who offered us £50m for Rooney off. Some may disagree, but he is replaceable, and a sum such as the one mentioned would help us to replace him with a top forward.
 
cheesy said:
This does seem to be the unpopular opinion, but I have to be honest and admit that I'd take your side when it comes to this argument.

He is world class at times, however that other off form side to him is one that shows up too often. It's not as if it just appears the odd time. He sometimes goes through several month spells of not playing at his best, and we can't have that.

I'd bite the hand of anyone who offered us £50m for Rooney off. Some may disagree, but he is replaceable, and a sum such as the one mentioned would help us to replace him with a top forward.
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Name some viable replacements that we could buy for less than £50m.
 
I reckon Wayne, at his best, is a complete footballer and a 'world class' one - presumably this term just means amongst the world's elite?

But his 'bottom level', to nick a phrase from Schmikes, is much lower than many of the world's elite players.

And, as many have already said, his slumps can last for months.

What does all this mean? feck knows, but he's our best player and we're an infinitely better side when he plays well.
 
RedLars said:
Name some viable replacements that we could buy for less than £50m.
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There are questions as to whether some of these players would come, but £50m would allow us to certainly look at players like Villa, Van Persie or Gomez.
 
cheesy said:
There are questions as to whether some of these players would come, but £50m would allow us to certainly look at players like Villa, Van Persie or Gomez.
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None of those come anywhere close to replacing Rooney.

Wayne's a complete footballer. We'd be far poorer without him and with one of the aforementioned instead.
 
Feed Me said:
None of those come anywhere close to replacing Rooney.

Wayne's a complete footballer. We'd be far poorer without him and with one of the aforementioned instead.
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How would none of them come close to replacing him? Van Persie certainly could, as he's a lot more than just an out and out striker.
 
How's this for a definition of 'world class', offered up by the missus:

"The way I understand 'world class' is that the player would get into the vast majority of teams in the world. On top of that, I believe that two or three 'elite' players in the world are in a whole different ball park."

That's about right, isn't it? And by that definition, Wayne IS world class.
 
cheesy said:
How would none of them come close to replacing him? Van Persie certainly could, as he's a lot more than just an out and out striker.
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van Persie is an extremely gifted striker, but that's all he is. Sure, he can play with his back to goal, run in behind, work the channels, score and create. But Wayne does all that, in addition to being an effective player deeper and on the wings. RvP is a great striker, Rooney a great player.
 
Where does this view of RVP come from? Before he proved himself as a number 9, most people said he wasn't suited to the role and is better behind the striker because he contributes a lot more than just goals. He plays as a number nine and now apparently he's just a great striker rather than a great player.

Funnily enough, I remember a lot of non united fans saying that about Rooney in 09/10, just a goal scorer, when it's clear he's more than that. Both he and RVP are two of the most complete forwards in the world.

Anyway, I think Rooney is easily in the top 10 players in the world, definitely world class for me.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Aye, he has only been an integral part of a team that have won it once and been runners up twice in the past five years. I think you are talking about the kind of Champions League campaign that wins a player World Player of the year. In that case, no he hasn't hit those levels and as a result he has never appeared in the top three places for that particular award. '
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That's the exact same point Brwned was making, my point was that saying that doesn't prove anything definitive. In the interests of balance, I would nominate several key factors in why we've done so well in Europe over the years, and suggest that Rooney wasn't the one of the big factors.
 
cheesy said:
There are questions as to whether some of these players would come, but £50m would allow us to certainly look at players like Villa, Van Persie or Gomez.
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I wouldn't swap any of them for Rooney.
 
AttackingFlair said:
Where does this view of RVP come from? Before he proved himself as a number 9, most people said he wasn't suited to the role and is better behind the striker because he contributes a lot more than just goals. He plays as a number nine and now apparently he's just a great striker rather than a great player.

Funnily enough, I remember a lot of non united fans saying that about Rooney in 09/10, just a goal scorer, when it's clear he's more than that. Both he and RVP are two of the most complete forwards in the world.

Anyway, I think Rooney is easily in the top 10 players in the world, definitely world class for me.
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RvP has been a class player as a nine or ten - no one is disputing this.

Rooney has covered the width and depth of the pitch far more though - he's an all round, more complete footballer.

You never see RvP dropping twenty yards off the front to pitch in in the midfield, or spray 60 yard cross field balls.
 
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