We will never win the league with Lukaku up front

Hazard made a similar comment about him during the World cup. Basically if he doesn't score he adds nothing else to the game and that is unacceptable for a modern day top level striker. Its okey for the likes of Barnes and the Murrays or Deeneys, But not for a Manchester United striker.

Barnes, Murray and Deeney are actually in the team to add ‘other stuff’, and they are the types who will be praised even on scoring droughts for simply offering nuisance value and chasing balls down.

I don’t think Lukaku has been ruthless enough at scoring goals, not his overall team play to justify selection, or even signing frankly. Fellaini offers far greater nuisance value in the opposition box if we’re even just looking at it from that perspective, while his famed touch restricts him from quality link play on the deck. And now he’s missing sitters.

Nobody has shaped our narrative this season as much as him. We’ve lost 3 games this season and in two of them, he had good (great,even) opportunities to write a different story by getting the first goal. I strongly suspect we beat both Brighton and Spurs if he takes his chances. There would be no talk of crisis.

We also don’t get knocked out at home to a Championship side if he scores that particular sitter.
 
Of course we can win the title with Lukaku up front, but he needs serious competition and alternatives. To win the league, you’ll need different types of players combined with several goalscorers, which is a big concern for us nowadays. It’s fair to expect a minimum of 25 PL goals for a main striker in a title contending team. The trio of Sánchez, Martial and Rashford should be able to score 30 goals between them. Mata, Lingard and Pogba 20 with 10 goals from the rest of the team will give a total of 85 goals, which is pretty good. Not saying that this will happen, but it’s what we should be aiming for.
 
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Lukaku is a big strong old fashioned CF who needs a speedy "Fox in the Box" alongside him. Someone who only needs a half chance to score.

Really? I think he is that type of player. A poacher with speed and strenght... a Hernandez on steriods basically but limited footballing abilty compared to most world class striker.
 
Lukaku reminds me of Ruud. Yea, laugh all you want. :cool:Minus the goal hungry driven, ruthless finishing, better technical abilities and quick insane reactions inside the box. Both play best inside the box than outside, while in fact in their own ways, are actually not that bad outside. RVN's technical and general abilities meant he's that too good and can be an all around complete striker including bringing in others into play and he showed that few but enough number of times, he's just not too interested in doing that, preferring instead to be the one at the end that finish attacks. Lukaku we know have a good sense of his surrounding teammates and will feed team mates with good passes. Both play with intelligence positioning and short movement exploiting the pocket of spaces all around the inside box.

No need for too much runs if you're already there.

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Anyway, back to just Lukaku, and attempted disintegrating this "staticness" of his.
  • He's a fox in the box, relying on intelligence positioning and calculated short targeted movement, exploiting the many pocket of spaces inside the box.
  • Sort of a poacher, his reaction is a lot slower though that the usual poacher I know of, but other than that has all the minimum tools.
  • Shooting power and shooting technique is not top class, and he doesn't actually "shoot" or blast the ball in but more like putting the ball into the back of the net. Not a shooter.
  • Not a dummy runner (who'll pull defenders away creating spaces for team) or a crazy runner (constantly running around moving into empty spaces).
  • Have good strength and balance, but doesn't abuse it nor making good use of it, so for sure not a power forward.
  • Have amazing top speed and balance, but not too agile not quick acceleration. Not too much of a speedy striker.
  • Good heading skills, not amazing. Fair aerial threat.
  • Not really a dribbler. Dribbling skill is fine, not too good, but gets the job done. His play on the right channel and wing is good. Good balance, fair dribbling skills and speed enough to beat defenders and fine crossing skills.
  • Good awareness, he'll feed team mates with good short passes. A fine supporting striker, who can link-up well, but selective combination since it needs others to gets his movement. Martial manage to see him and link well with him.
  • Post play is improving, he has the eye of passes which helps a lot eg. that flick to Rashford goal against Liverpool. Poor strength play in holding the ball and often bad touches can let him down though on the floor. Aerially can make good flicks, but not like Fellaini who can receive the long ball well and brought it down starting quick attacks.
  • Not too good in evading markers, so that's another disadvantage. At times, he'll lurk behind opposing defenders, like a shadow striker, silently lurking to tap the ball in.
So combination of those are why it's easy to see him as "static".
Why run the longer distance if you're already there at the "right positioning" or done calculated short runs. It's not easy for his team mates to see him though. Pogba, Sanchez, Martial and even freaking KDB can see his short runs and positioning. Pogba preferred him to move more faster and making more good runs.

Another point is..
Doubt he have that mindset of becoming the first star men of his team (eg. Zlatan, Neymar, Mbappe showed that appetite for France, Ruud, CRonaldo, Hazard) he's too much of a team player. So we need others to step up and fill that shoe. Not necessary but useful, often that kind of player is the big difference maker when two big team collides. We do have two players who showed signs of having that hunger - Martial and Rashford.
 
Brave statement. Luckily someone has said it. It's wrong but finally someone has said it.

Can we come back to this genius post please.
 
Hazard made a similar comment about him during the World cup. Basically if he doesn't score he adds nothing else to the game and that is unacceptable for a modern day top level striker. Its okey for the likes of Barnes and the Murrays or Deeneys, But not for a Manchester United striker.
Yeah it's a problem for sure. It's not like he's a great foil for others either. He can create a chance and I'm sure the stats bear that too. However, I find that our entire attack is tailored to essentially supporting him which can be problematic given his limitations. For example, City and Liverpool aim to play good football and the likes of Aguero and Salah tend to be at the end of moves to score goals. With us, it seems as though we firstly aiming to feed Lukaku. I see Martial, Rashford, Sanchez etc looking to find Lukaku as their first instinct rather than showing their own individual flair/quality, or him being at the end of generally high quality moves. For me, when you have footballers with limitations, it erodes the collective cohesion and makes you more reliant on good individualistic moments rather than systemic output.
 
Lukaku reminds me of Ruud. Yea, laugh all you want. :cool:Minus the goal hungry driven, ruthless finishing, better technical abilities and quick insane reactions inside the box. Both play best inside the box than outside, while in fact in their own ways, are actually not that bad outside. RVN's technical and general abilities meant he's that too good and can be an all around complete striker including bringing in others into play and he showed that few but enough number of times, he's just not too interested in doing that, preferring instead to be the one at the end that finish attacks. Lukaku we know have a good sense of his surrounding teammates and will feed team mates with good passes. Both play with intelligence positioning and short movement exploiting the pocket of spaces all around the inside box.

So nothing like Ruud then.
 
Never be a top striker....he's already a top striker. The thing I like about his stats are they don't lie. There's lots of opinions on here about his ability, not being able to score against 4 teams in the league but in the history of the prem, who's got a better goalscoring record when you also consider his goals where for Everton and West Brom? You can only be a top striker to do that year on year in this league that is a graveyard for so called top strikers. If it was that easy, why are there only an handful of players that have scored 100 goals in 200ish games? Any that's laced up a pair of boots, knows scoring goals is the hardest thing in football and that's why strikers cost the most money. There's someone called Morata, technical better......how many goals but I'm sure some of you are more impressed by his stepovers....I'll just stick with putting the ball in the net.

He's not good enough for top level club like United. Lukaku is part of the problem why we are playing those crosses but ironically, due to his poor movement (lack of aggression, lack consistency with his movement, miss timing) the crosses didn't hit him. You wonder why everytime players like Rashford & Lingard get more shots than Lukaku does in a game. We are relying too much on him, and he's not a top class striker and he couldn't handle the pressure and expectation for being one of high expectation or giant expectation from big club like United. A top club can rely on just a player to score and still delivering no problem for example Suarez, Rooney, RVP, RVN.

His stats is truly a lie. He tends to score goals against the lesser team but not top team, and there are many times when the team needs him to score a winning goal in important games he failed to step up and be the hero. Last season the only top team he was able to score was against Chelsea Rudiger & Christensen. If you think it's because the quality of service isn't good enough, explain why he only scored against Panama & Tunisia with world class players like KDB & Hazard behind to support him and failed to step up in important games. Not asking him to be false 9 striker just asking him to put the ball in the net and steps up in big games.
Players like RVP & Suarez can score goals with worse players because they are top or world class strikers.

No technique and poor movement, just a pure power and pace striker. He's so bad in a tight spot no wonder he struggles against top team who tends to apply high press. Any good defenders can stop him if they know how to deal powerful & pacey striker. He has a lot of limit to be a striker to carry us to the next level, 80m isn't worthy, it's better to get a refund while some clubs might think he is worth a lot. Players like Martial could score similar amount of goals last season if he was given the same amount playing minutes.
 
The hole team has to start moving more, moving the ball faster and using the spaces. At the moment it does not matter if Lukaku moves or not, because most of the time our attacks are predictable and the defenders have too much time to cover our strikers.
The last game showed that the players can attack and speed up their game, but its up to the manager to find the right game planes and unleash the potential of our players.
 
If RedCafe and social media existed in Andy Cole's early years (1995, 1996,1997)

He would've been absolutely slaughtered
 
Lukaku is screaming for a strike partner. I wish we would go back to a 4-4-2

Been thinking about this a lot. Sanchez and Lukaku as strikers, Sanchez dropping slightly behind, Martial wide left, Rashford wide Right. Pogba and somebody (depending on opponent) in midfield.
Our best players all on the pitch with attacking intent from the start. I know it’ll never happen with Jose though.

I agree with the thread title though but only because of the way we are using him. He should be constantly running on to the ball, not holding it up and holding off defenders he’s just not good at it
 
Been thinking about this a lot. Sanchez and Lukaku as strikers, Sanchez dropping slightly behind, Martial wide left, Rashford wide Right. Pogba and somebody (depending on opponent) in midfield.
Our best players all on the pitch with attacking intent from the start. I know it’ll never happen with Jose though.
That's the kind of nasty talk that I like
 
There are not many great CFs in the current game, so much that the likes of Lukaku, Mirada and Suva became too transfer targets.

it is what it is and we simply need to put better talent and goal scoring threat around him.To that extent, the current trio of Sanchez, Martial and Rashford don't cut it.

We really need a 'Hazard' striker (maybe dybala) in the final 3rd - able to take on defenders, create, score and have a moment of magic in him.

I doubt any of our current strikers even warrants game planning by the opposition, talk less of needing double teaming.
 
Lukaku doesnt use his strenght enough. He apparently watches videos of movement but he looks like he lost his natural game. He isnt a target man he cant time a leap at all. He is a striker who likes to get in behind but teams don't give us the space to do so. His touch is not as bad as some say but he cant do quick interchange. What really gets me about Lukaku is his in the box movement. He is always flat footed and everytime you look at him he has his hands infront of him signalling to his team mate to pass like he wont take a year to get a shot away anyway. Compare that to RVP who was always on the move in the box not waiting for the ball to come to him.
 
He is incredibly stupid, probably the least intelligent striker we had(atleast on the pitch).

I actually do agree with this.
The guy is a large specimen. With this in mind, he should play to the strength of being big/strong. I rarely see him out muscle a defender or beat a defender to a header (aerial long ball hit by DDG).
Instead I see him doing stepovers and wanting to be the fox in the box.

Basically, he tries to play as if he is the size of Sanchez, when he needs to be playing like Drogba or Shearer.

The issue right now, though, is that he keeps missing open goals and good chances. There were some games earlier this season which we lost, which we could've won had he been on target.
Personally, I think Jose needs to bench him and start bringing him on as a sub, gradually increasing his game time, every match.
 
I don’t think Lukaku has been ruthless enough at scoring goals, not his overall team play to justify selection, or even signing frankly. Fellaini offers far greater nuisance value in the opposition box if we’re even just looking at it from that perspective, while his famed touch restricts him from quality link play on the deck. And now he’s missing sitters.

Nobody has shaped our narrative this season as much as him. We’ve lost 3 games this season and in two of them, he had good (great,even) opportunities to write a different story by getting the first goal. I strongly suspect we beat both Brighton and Spurs if he takes his chances. There would be no talk of crisis.

We also don’t get knocked out at home to a Championship side if he scores that particular sitter.

Agreed on all points.
 
The thing is, Mourinho picks him all the time. If anything he was doing wasnt to the manager's tastes we'd probably have seen other options tried up front more often.

If Mourinho is playing him near enough every week then he probably wants him to be a static target man with not a lot of movement. And if thats the case then it wouldnt matter if we signed someone else because he'd play the same way.
 
I want to see how he does with a different manager. The fact remains he is a goal machine who can even touch 40 goals a season so very stupid to say we cannot win the league with him.
 
Would like to see him slim up completely and see if that helps him. Just don't think he has it in him to be good enough as our main striker as thing stands. His season has been as bad as possible really.
 
We've won 2 cups with him btw.

We won a trophy for losing the FA Cup Final and coming 2nd to City?

As for Lukaku, his movement is poor, he is always flat footed and comes alive when it's too late to make something of a pass. Imagine he let a ball go past him and Juan Mata sprinted 20 yards to keep it in!!

He rarely shoots unless it's clear cut from about 15 yards out. There's a reason why the very best forwards get numerous opportunities and it's because they're always alive to the next slight chance. He seems to want everything perfectly laid up so he can just take 2 steps and shoot.
 
I don't think we will win the league with mourinho as manager and woody at the helm of the club.
 
Need to offload him asap if we're to actually win something.
 
A workhorse that puts a shift in and will pop up with goals, but need better quality to take us the next level.
 
A workhorse that puts a shift in and will pop up with goals, but need better quality to take us the next level.

He is strong but he is really far from a workhorse. I bet Berba was running nothing less than him off the ball and he was usually known as lazy.
 
Really need to get rid, he's a patchy striker and we can't progress with that. I still back him to score 15+ goals in the league but he's not going to help us progress.
 
Am I the only one who thinks this needs to be addressed sooner than the cb issue.