West Bromwich Albion vs. Manchester United

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From FIFA rules.

  1. Denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick.

I think you should also quote the rules for offences punishable by free kick or penalty kick, and you'll find that deliberation is a main criterion for handballs. The problem of course is that refs never take deliberation into account when they give free kicks in the middle of the pitch, even though they should.
 
With handball, it kinda has to be.

That's what the rules say, but next time a ball strikes the arm of a defender on the line and a red card and penalty are given I don't expect much uproar. The literal interpretation of the laws of the game is quite frequently not the enforced one.
 
What about when the arms are stretched and the ball hit the hand ? I have no idea what's the first criterion a ref takes into account when judging these moments.

Stretched doesn't matter, it's unnatural positions that matter and his arm was in the natural position for someone trying to kick a ball. He's just shit.
 
Good tracking back by Fellaini. I feel that he could work in the CM, if he had a more creative and offensive partner.
 
That's what the rules say, but next time a ball strikes the arm of a defender on the line and a red card and penalty are given I don't expect much uproar. The literal interpretation of the laws of the game is quite frequently not the enforced one.

Ah, there is a massive gulf in context there.
 
And scored in five of our last 5 league games. Van Persie is a better striker than Rooney. Dropping him would be silly.

Rooney had his most prolific season playing as a striker and has never played as a pure striker since. How can you claim RVP is a better striker when Rooney hasnt even had the chance to play as a striker for years?
 
There's ambiguity in the rules.

There isn't. It's written quite clearly there in the rules, what is erratic however is how referees apply it when it isn't a major decision like a penalty or sending off. They give free kicks in the middle of the park with accidental ones which they shouldn't do and causes misunderstandings of the rules.
 
I've seen them both given and waved away in that situation. I don't know how the referee is supposed to divine a player's intent in a split second either.

Most of the time it is impossible to properly judge a player's intent, in France the focus is on whether the arm isn't close to the body or not more than intent. "Intent" is stupid to use as a criterion
 
RVP loves a challenge.
 
Moss is fecking ridiculous. They play handballs all over the pitch, Gera dives in our box, gets feck all. Adnan and Robin get booked for their first offences.
 
Stretched doesn't matter, it's unnatural positions that matter and his arm was in the natural position for someone trying to kick a ball. He's just shit.

Then this ref on Canal + who has banging on about it is clueless ?
edit: By stretched I meant unnatural in the sense you understand it I think.
 
And another pretty clumsy challenge, Van Persie seems to get a little frustrated to me. Keep your cool Robin.
 
Hoof, hoof, fecking hoof hoof hoof. Are we actually capable of playing the ball on the ground?
 
Perhaps with RvP on a yellow now we should take him off, push up Roo and bring on Shinji, assiming he made the bench today.​
 
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