Westminster Politics

@Pogue Mahone posted in the Transgender rights thread and I thought it was useful. More in depth discussion on the subject should take place in the correct thread, but this may be useful as a summary of the report when looking at political reaction in this thread:
Read this (I cannot post on that thread) but Pogue posted and his comments I thought were fair.

Like the report, it's fair balanced but as this is such a fractious issue, it's just being used to scream and claim all sorts of nonsense.
 
Ah yes the last referendum went so well. This is Farage’s new grift it seems.



So Farage doesn't understand that the ECHR is not an EU institution.

He now wants the public to vote to cancel the Northern Ireland protocol and Windsor framework and all trade deals, especially the one with the EU and people would fall for this complete nonsense because he's a racist xenophobe. Come on you Brexiters, press the self-destruct button yet again.

When will someone lock this moron up?
 
So Farage doesn't understand that the ECHR is not an EU institution.

He now wants the public to vote to cancel the Northern Ireland protocol and Windsor framework and all trade deals, especially the one with the EU and people would fall for this complete nonsense because he's a racist xenophobe. Come on you Brexiters, press the self-destruct button yet again.

When will someone lock this moron up?

I don't know why you allow german citizens to get elected
 
So Farage doesn't understand that the ECHR is not an EU institution.

He now wants the public to vote to cancel the Northern Ireland protocol and Windsor framework and all trade deals, especially the one with the EU and people would fall for this complete nonsense because he's a racist xenophobe. Come on you Brexiters, press the self-destruct button yet again.

When will someone lock this moron up?
Don't forget the peace process too.
 
Having worked in elections, postal voting in the UK is one of the most secure methods to vote by. There are numerous checks involved throughout the process. If Farage had any evidence, he would go to the authorities but he's talking bollocks.
 
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Anyways robot Thatcher is back in the news


Are we getting paid more to work these weekends or is it the same salary but more work? Our salaries are already crap as it is
 
I'll be generous and assume you are referring to the commitments to trident otherwise you've missed the whole 'when resources allow' comment in your haste to get a dig in

"When resources allow" is subjective and could potentially mean the moment they get in and make cuts to benefits or something like that to facilitate it.
 
"When resources allow" is subjective and could potentially mean the moment they get in and make cuts to benefits or something like that to facilitate it.

It's also subjective and could mean by the end of parliament or never.

Again, they are saying that their plan to reduce spending on benefits is to fund the NHS and mental health services to support people into recovery because the numbers are too high because of austerity leading to delays in treatment.

They have to talk with firm rhetoric because they are Labour are don't get away with anything with the press we have.
 
It's also subjective and could mean by the end of parliament or never.

Again, they are saying that their plan to reduce spending on benefits is to fund the NHS and mental health services to support people into recovery because the numbers are too high because of austerity leading to delays in treatment.

They have to talk with firm rhetoric because they are Labour are don't get away with anything with the press we have.

So the problem all these poor people have with their health is that they're too rich compared to the NHS which is making them sad and sick and so they need their benefits cutting?

Makes perfect sense to me.
 
Oh sorry is the plan confusing?

No. When they are saying that the numbers of people on disability benefits has increased to unacceptable levels due to underfunding and they are proposing fixing the problem. Ie people not receiving treatment

This has the added benefit of enabling people to work and increasing productivity

If you took a breath to think about it it wouldn't be confusing
 
No. When they are saying that the numbers of people on disability benefits has increased to unacceptable levels due to underfunding and they are proposing fixing the problem. Ie people not receiving treatment

This has the added benefit of enabling people to work and increasing productivity

If you took a breath to think about it it wouldn't be confusing

Taking their benefits away to "fix the problem" creates a new problem. It's stupid posturing.
 
Why is there a need for an individual to claim disability benefits if they are now fit to work?

So I take £50 a week off them and they're cured?

If they were cured they wouldn't be claiming the benefit so you wouldn't need to cut it...
 
So I take £50 a week off them and they're cured?

If they were cured they wouldn't be claiming the benefit so you wouldn't need to cut it...

If for example, 650k people are on disability benefits. Say 400k are never going to able to work the remainder can be treated

They are saying that if they receive the treatment and are now able to work that they will no longer be claiming disability benefits as they will be working.

Over time, the figures will go down when the public has quality health treatment.

It's not difficult to understand
 
If for example, 650k people are on disability benefits. Say 400k are never going to able to work the remainder can be treated

They are saying that if they receive the treatment and are now able to work that they will no longer be claiming disability benefits as they will be working.

Over time, the figures will go down when the public has quality health treatment.

It's not difficult to understand

I will be shocked if there aren't real terms cuts to the actual benefit so they can satisfy the Victorian Tory cnut vote that they're slavering over, regardless of how counterproductive it is to society or the economy.
 
Why is there a need for an individual to claim disability benefits if they are now fit to work?
The benefit system, coeval, in the UK is among the worst in Western Europe. I'll have to triple check that one. Cancer patients were forced to work because they were deemed fit by the Tory auditing-austerity system.

When it comes to disability benefits, what, broad view, individual is sitting at home fit to work but surviving on a miserable state pension instead? There's a risk of Benefit Street by the back door with some of this rhetoric, though not aimed at you personally.

Sitting at home on 40 to 80 quid when absolutely fine and fit for work. It's complete nonsense. Getting those who are on that benefit back to work might be helped if they weren't barely surviving in the first place. It's not unemployment, it's disability. People who have no say, at any given time of life, as to whether they can work or not. It's a disgraceful rate as it is.