Westminster Politics

This is far worse than the last days of Trump, at least America got rid of him, we are still stuck with Boris!
 
groovyalbert said:
That's not altogether true.

Motions such as the furlough scheme - which was a well formed policy given how quickly it had to be rolled out - during Covid has shown this government could act at pace when needed, and the UK actually has some pretty forward thinking climate policies - although these have been cast into doubt with the growing energy crisis/war in Ukraine, but this isn't entirely their fault.

What is more worrying, and it's something Justine Greening rightly commented on earlier, is that you now have key ministries with no MPs sitting in. The top-down command completely falls a part, and even non-major but still important policies and and programmes can't pass through. Civil servants must be looking on in utter bemusement at what this all potentially means for the projects they've been working on.
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Our climate polices are totally offset by Boris jetting off to Ukraine every week.
 
groovyalbert said:
That's not altogether true.

Motions such as the furlough scheme - which was a well formed policy given how quickly it had to be rolled out - during Covid has shown this government could act at pace when needed, and the UK actually has some pretty forward thinking climate policies - although these have been cast into doubt with the growing energy crisis/war in Ukraine, but this isn't entirely their fault.

What is more worrying, and it's something Justine Greening rightly commented on earlier, is that you now have key ministries with no MPs sitting in. The top-down command completely falls a part, and even non-major but still important policies and and programmes can't pass through. Civil servants must be looking on in utter bemusement at what this all potentially means for the projects they've been working on.
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Like what? The ban on onshore wind?
 
Why is Labor so unpopular in the UK? Having a good opposition would help a lot right now.
 
MUW4Eva said:
This is far worse than the last days of Trump, at least America got rid of him, we are still stuck with Boris!
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Tories just shot their load too early, should have held fire on that vote of confidence ballot for a few more weeks. It would be a simple execution now.

He won't be surviving much long thankfully. I know Gordon Brown got called a squatter for staying in number 10 when coalition was trying to be formed in 2010 but Johnson is in Julian Assange territory now.:lol:
 
Frosty said:
Wait, the Stanley Johnson who was accused of sexual assualt? To comment on his son's inability to deal with accusations of sexual assault?
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Yes, the same Stanley Johnson who recently became a citizen of France to escape this shitehole.
 
sport2793 said:
Why is Labor so unpopular in the UK? Having a good opposition would help a lot right now.
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This country has always been a conservative one. Even when Attlee created the welfare state the press and the Tories were all over him for creating a new Gestapo to enslave Britons.

The 1997 to 2010 period of Labour rule was the longest period of non-Tory rule since 1762.
 
Seriously feck you all who want and cheer for Boris gone.

This is a Tory rebranding exercise. They are still the party of sexual assault on top of everything else, with or without.

Every chance the new leader will be worse but with a new shiny suit of armour and fresh ability to appeal to the voting publics most depraved impulses.

BorisIn.
 
FootballHQ said:
Tories just shot their load too early, should have held fire on that vote of confidence ballot for a few more weeks. It would be a simple execution now.

He won't be surviving much long thankfully. I know Gordon Brown got called a squatter for staying in number 10 when coalition was trying to be formed in 2010 but Johnson is in Julian Assange territory now.:lol:
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He also was called that a bit unfairly by some in my view. He had a right as a sitting PM to try and form a government, which he declined, allowing the Tories and Lib Dems to negotiate a coalition, and having agreed with Cameron and Clegg that he would act as a caretaker until the agreement was reached.
 
Frosty said:
This country has always been a conservative one. Even when Attlee created the welfare state the press and the Tories were all over him for creating a new Gestapo to enslave Britons.

The 1997 to 2010 period of Labour rule was the longest period of non-Tory rule since 1762.
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Djemba-Djemba said:
They're pretty comfortably ahead in the polls.

If Johnson calls an election Starmer would be PM .
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Good to know, I'm just stressed out for you guys right now and there needs to be more of a check on Boris and the Conservatives who enabled him. The Democrats are likely to lose ground in the House but even with a poor economy still have a reasonable shot of retaining control and possibly even gaining ground in the Senate in November (based on recent polling), which by itself could be enough to steady the ship. Whereas it doesn't seem like Labor can do much at this point unless there's another election. My rudimentary understanding of parliament suggests this is a long shot though but feel free to correct me.
 
Him clinging on like a turd to a sheep’s backside tells you everything you need to know about the man he is.
 
TwoSheds said:
Like what? The ban on onshore wind?
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Fortunately the ban doesn't include territories outside of England, and I'll be amazed if it lasts.

As an example as to where the UK is leading is in regards to carbon pricing, and the electricity sector is now generating more electricity from renewables than fossil fuels. A lot of this is industry lead, but it's under the guise of government regulatory and policy framework (much of which should really be accredit to the former Labour government in reality).
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes, I get your point - because people believe what they want to believe without thinking about it.
It's so frustrating that people seem to have lost the ability to think things through.
It's not even that he is or was a good liar. It is so obvious he lies almost non-stop.
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Rhetoric and insults often overcome logic and facts. Let’s be honest, even we laugh at it. When Rafa Benetez did his list of facts to try and disprove SAF rhetoric everyone laughed at Rafa. Even cost his team the title, if I’m not mistaken.
 
sport2793 said:
Good to know, I'm just stressed out for you guys right now and there needs to be more of a check on Boris and the Conservatives who enabled him. The Democrats are likely to lose ground in the House but even with a poor economy still have a reasonable shot of retaining control and possibly even gaining ground in the Senate in November (based on recent polling), which by itself could be enough to steady the ship. Whereas it doesn't seem like Labor can do much at this point unless there's another election. My rudimentary understanding of parliament suggests this is a long shot though but feel free to correct me.
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The other issue is that Labour will very much struggle to ever form a government in the UK again thanks to their losses in Scotland. The best we can hope for in a new election is a hung parliament and some form of coalition but Lib Dems would be unlikely to prop up a Labour government and the next biggest party (SNP) I feel would be damaging to Labour as the Tories would point out that Labour will damage the strength of the union just to get in power
 
Frosty said:
This country has always been a conservative one. Even when Attlee created the welfare state the press and the Tories were all over him for creating a new Gestapo to enslave Britons.

The 1997 to 2010 period of Labour rule was the longest period of non-Tory rule since 1762.
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That's true and even then Blair's Labour was more in line with 'Blue' than socialist red.

Saying that what Labour achieved in its first 18 months under him p*sses all over the Tory achievements under Cameron, May and Johnson.
 
DeGea’sFeet said:
Rhetoric and insults often overcome logic and facts. Let’s be honest, even we laugh at it. When Rafa Benetez did his list of facts to try and disprove SAF rhetoric everyone laughed at Rafa. Even cost his team the title, if I’m not mistaken.
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Is that Trump we are talking about here?
Little Marco etc ....

Wonder what pathetic nicknames Boris will come out with...??
 
sport2793 said:
Good to know, I'm just stressed out for you guys right now and there needs to be more of a check on Boris and the Conservatives who enabled him. The Democrats are likely to lose ground in the House but even with a poor economy still have a reasonable shot of retaining control and possibly even gaining ground in the Senate in November (based on recent polling), which by itself could be enough to steady the ship. Whereas it doesn't seem like Labor can do much at this point unless there's another election. My rudimentary understanding of parliament suggests this is a long shot though but feel free to correct me.
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Labour can call for a Vote of No Confidence but that applies to the whole Government, and if the Tories lose that there will be a General Election. That never works with a majority Government as turkeys don't vote for Christmas. There is a lot which can be done politically if a Government is in paralysis but yes, if the Tories don't remove Johnson we may have to wait until January 2025.
 
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