Doesn’t matter, even their own readers have had enough.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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This is key. This country is full of good people. Many of them voted Tory for a bunch of dumb or disgusting reasons. You don’t have to meet them centre-right to collect their votes. They’ll vote Labour or Lib Dem to remove Tories. Do that from a progressive position, not some stupid centrist massive broad tent.
If a coalition with the Lib Dems is in the offing, you’d better be sure to have some big ticket left wing policies that you can horse trade and possibly dilute a little. Doing it from the middle will just see nothing change.
It’s just so fecking stupid. I’m not necessarily pro HS2 as a project, but fully behind a decades long project that sees high speed rail that connects the entire UK. Get to Cardiff, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Manchester, Leeds in an Acceptable amount of time, for acceptable amounts of money.
Soooo many jobs. Soooo much money to big corporations. How can a Tory finance guy not structure and sell that in a way that works? It was such an easy win.
It’s utterly mad.
Talking about the comparisons between Enoch Powell and Bravermans speeches. I recall this clip of someone cutting Powell down to size.
I don't understand the calculation of the Braverman comment. Who is she supposed to win over with this? Those who agree multiculturalism has failed will surely count her and Sunak as part of that failure.
Are there large amounts of UK voters who are somehow on the fence about multiculturalism, and will now flock to the tories because of these comments?
I actually don't think I understand the dynamics of British politics at all. How can you rule for 13(?) years and then, with a straight face, act like you're now finally about to commence the work that needs to be done? Just beyond belief.
Are there large amounts of UK voters who are somehow on the fence about multiculturalism, and will now flock to the tories because of these comments?
I actually don't think I understand the dynamics of British politics at all. How can you rule for 13(?) years and then, with a straight face, act like you're now finally about to commence the work that needs to be done? Just beyond belief.
I think they're seen as "some of the good ones". It's similar to Trump ranting about the elites when he's a billionaire New Yorker. Them being the very group they demonise doesn't seem to matter. If anything, Braverman and Pattell seem to have been chosen for their jobs because they can't be accused of racism as easily as the average posh white man and they make their supporters feel better about themselves because they validate their concerns about people like them.
That's why I think they're failing so badly. It's obvious they can't "stop the boats" and can't do anything about immigration. Even if you were far right, why bother voting for them?
As a person in my early 70s, I don't understand it either if I am honest.
History tells us that the UK is an inherently centre right voting country. With the Tories winning the majority of elections. Only Tony Blair and Harold Wilson have won GEs in the last few generations.
So the Tories can pretty much do what they like and still be electable, unlike Labour.
She wants to be the next leader after they lose the election, talking to the Tory members.
SNP/Sturgeon woes really could compound the misery for the Tories at the next election.
First time that I see anything about Jonathan Miller as is a Brittish personality, but I think it resembles to few other people in my country. I dont know why I have the feeling that society can't produce this sensitive and intelligent people...nor the current social debate allows it. When a political in confronted with questions or debate, he answers something else, or they rudely attack and they don't allow to debate. The person behind him, could be wrong, or even maliciously wrong but he waited his turn, also he was trying to argument even sneakily. I think nowadays there is no pause, poise and is who speak louder and more ambiguous. It seems that is not even their thoughts but they are trained like dogs to lie and to deflect
I miss less hysterical times with more honest (even wrong) people
This is the likely 'telling factor' and what makes me think that Labour could get their highest majority ever in the next GE. Precisely because those who think the Tories should do something about 'stopping the boats' and immigration, now realise that they can't.
Hence, just as we saw at the last GE the 'red wall' Labour vote collapse over Brexit, because they could/would not do something, we may now see the 'blue wall' collapse over these issues, the Tories losing votes all over the place, with mainstream voters turning to the Lib dems, and left of centre Tories holding their noses and voting Labour and including possibly mass Tory abstentions, in places where they have no chance anyway.
Whatever, the outlook looks great for Sir Keir
yeah, that's a blowout for Labour. Telegraph in particular. That is the sine qua non of Tory opinion in tabloid form.
only Dacre's dailymail has Tories ahead by a measly 2%. Blair style majority highly likely.
When you look at the numbers, Labour did worse than 2019. The SNP vote never showed up.
You can't hold that against them. 2019 was a general election, of course turnout was way higher. Labour vote dropped just 4% when 44% fewer people voted overall. It's a damn fine result for Labour.
It is a traditional Labour stronghold. Lost it to the SNP post independence referendum in the 2015 GE along with all but one of Labours Scottish seats. Labour won it back in 2017. Lost it again in 2019 along with all the other Scottish seats they gained back in the previous election.
Considering the SNPs collapse over the past year, it would have been a disaster if Labour didn't win it by a decent margin.
She’s another piece of work
About fecking time.
Her actions beggar belief.
The problem is most of the cnuts that made millions from poorly governed PPE contracts have already left the UK.
I was thinking a week ago something like this would be a good vote winner, so not surprised to see them step up with it.
How has a politician that bad become Prime Minister? I mean, “Privilege” is clearly the answer but feck me he is just awful on every level.
Because a trans/ boat person is coming for you.
The change angle is an interesting angle from someone who's been in the highest offices of the land himself for the past 5 years.
He looks like one of the bad guys from Innerspace who get shrunken down to child size at the end of the film.
Sneaky fecking spiteful cnut. I bet he treated himself to a decontamination shower after being that close to normal people.
Undemocratically is the answer.
He wanted to be PM but Liz Truss beat him comfortably. Liz fxxking Truss.
The only people who voted for him were his mates in the Nasty Party.
If he had any decency, which he clearly doesn't, he would have called for a GE. But he knew that his only chance of being PM was by clinging to power while the country goes down the tubes.
And he will cling onto power for as long as he possibly can.
He has more power than most politicians via his wife to be fair. I suspect for Rishi he actually does want to be a politician, and in his own weird way thinks he is making a difference.
I dunno. Blair's privilege was not completely dissimilar, but he was superb at this stuff - partly because he'd thought this stuff through himself, partly because he was just really good at the performance bit, and partly because he had a barrister's quick thinking. Sunak is just remarkably bad at this in every way.
It helped Blair having someone like Alastair Campbell keeping him up to speed as well. I'm not sure who Sunak and his cabinet have but I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of Boris' kids.
Oh feck off, this is parody levels
If it wasn't for his natural charm and honest to goodness "man of the people"ness he'd be absolutely fecked.
Fixed it for you.
Oh my god that is so embarassing.
How many times can you be laughed at today? 