Westminster Politics

Like Johnson, she'll say, promise, & do anything for advantage.
 
Sky's Lewis Goodall:
Yesterday I observed that there is a stark set of double standards operating about the cocaine use of Michael Gove vs Boris Johnsson in this leadership contest. Johnson has now denied he ever took the drug.
 
Like Johnson, she'll say, promise, & do anything for advantage.

While certainly not a Tory voter I have taken the time to listen to the campaign pledges of most of the candidates.
Apart from their promises on Brexit, the thing that I find most interesting is their promises on tax cuts.
These range from reducing VAT and replacing it with a purchase tax (same thing really) to massive reductions in both the standard band and higher band tax rates.
Now. Far from me to question the feasiblity of these wild promises but they all make rather vague references to exactly where this money is supposed to appear from.
I never believe a word that a politician says but the winner will be our next PM and as a result l have even less trust in them than I already have.
 
While certainly not a Tory voter I have taken the time to listen to the campaign pledges of most of the candidates.
Apart from their promises on Brexit, the thing that I find most interesting is their promises on tax cuts.
These range from reducing VAT and replacing it with a purchase tax (same thing really) to massive reductions in both the standard band and higher band tax rates.
Now. Far from me to question the feasiblity of these wild promises but they all make rather vague references to exactly where this money is supposed to appear from.
I never believe a word that a politician says but the winner will be our next PM and as a result l have even less trust in them than I already have.
The treasury reckons we're running at a surplus on current spending plans and the Tories just can't resist spending it. All the years of blaming Labour for not mending the roof while the sun shines, and the instant they have anything they're falling over each other to spunk it on their own tax cuts. Which considering the biggest problem of looming brexit will be a catastrophic drop in government revenue whilst businesses are desperate for support is deeply fecking stupid. I suspect Boris's proposed tax cut for the wealthy will prove to be a typical Boris cock-up when he eventually breaks cover to face questions from the press.
 
The treasury reckons we're running at a surplus on current spending plans and the Tories just can't resist spending it. All the years of blaming Labour for not mending the roof while the sun shines, and the instant they have anything they're falling over each other to spunk it on their own tax cuts. Which considering the biggest problem of looming brexit will be a catastrophic drop in government revenue whilst businesses are desperate for support is deeply fecking stupid. I suspect Boris's proposed tax cut for the wealthy will prove to be a typical Boris cock-up when he eventually breaks cover to face questions from the press.

Very well put and I could not agree more.
The biggest regret is the Labour party are not able to gain much traction because of the weaknesses of their leader.
What a crap situation.
 
Very well put and I could not agree more.
The biggest regret is the Labour party are not able to gain much traction because of the weaknesses of their leader.
What a crap situation.
Who also isn't beyond spouting utter bollocks to win votes
 
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The Times: I spoke to a police officer recently who said that the Brexit campaign had led to an increase in hate crimes. Do you regret the way you ran the 2016 referendum campaign?

No, says Michael Gove. He says Britons have become more pro-immigrant since the campaign.
 
Johnson's (prospective) win seemed suspiciously like a fait accompli from the start - reporters are & have been, frankly, rude to Gove; their questions are often a variation of 'give up'.
 
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Just read a summary of the things the candidates are promising. All pie in the sky ideas. This country is unsalvageable.
 
Does anyone actually know why Kate Hoey was in Labour in the first place?
 
Com Res Polling

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Absolute idiotic poll.

Conservative remainers will never forgive Boris for Brexit and the Labour die hards will not abandond Labour and vote Conservative.

Boris or anyone pressing for Brexit will never ever command a majority.
 
Com Res Polling

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That must have been paid for by Boris or the ERG :lol:

The Lib Dems winning less seats under a no deal Boris seems very improbable. Obviously it depends on the constituencies but I'd expect him to cause the biggest Tory to Lib Dem movement.
 
Prime Minister Boris Johnson...feck me!

Was obvious years ago tbh. Fairly sure I said it on here and someone wasn't having it then. Pitifully predictable. Only hope is that a general election is not far away and he doesn't last long enough to cause too much damage. Or maybe he needs to so that people wake the feck up and sort themselves out.
 
Was obvious years ago tbh. Fairly sure I said it on here and someone wasn't having it then. Pitifully predictable. Only hope is that a general election is not far away and he doesn't last long enough to cause too much damage. Or maybe he needs to so that people wake the feck up and sort themselves out.
He won't do anything different than May will he ?

The tories are getting pushed into going for a no deal due to their voters jumping onto the Brexit Party wagon(Plus Brexit is all the party has in terms getting people to vote for them). At this stage it doesn't matter who the tory leader is.
 
He won't do anything different than May will he ?

The tories are getting pushed into going for a no deal due to their voters jumping onto the Brexit Party wagon(Plus Brexit is all the party has in terms getting people to vote for them). At this stage it doesn't matter who the tory leader is.

True. Maybe the best thing to come out of Brexit will be the end of the Tories. Every cloud...
 
He won't do anything different than May will he ?

The tories are getting pushed into going for a no deal due to their voters jumping onto the Brexit Party wagon(Plus Brexit is all the party has in terms getting people to vote for them). At this stage it doesn't matter who the tory leader is.

Exactly. This is the perfect time to get the 'Prime Minister Boris Johnson' phase out of the way. Hopefully, in as short a period of time as possible.
 
Exactly. This is the perfect time to get the 'Prime Minister Boris Johnson' phase out of the way. Hopefully, in as short a period of time as possible.
I guess if shit does hit the fan in the form of no deal brexit, it's better for a brexiter to be in power than someone like May.

Although I think at this stage no deal voters have accepted that a no deal will go horribly wrong but they will see this as the price to pay for ''FREEDOM'' etc. Mostly because no deal voters are wealthy enough to take the hit and old enough that they'll die before seeing the long term damage.
 
I guess if shit does hit the fan in the form of no deal brexit, it's better for a brexiter to be in power than someone like May.

Although I think at this stage no deal voters have accepted that a no deal will go horribly wrong but they will see this as the price to pay for ''FREEDOM'' etc. Mostly because no deal voters are wealthy enough to take the hit and old enough that they'll die before seeing the long term damage.

In a no deal scenario it doesn't matter who's in charge. Can't influence anything anyway, brexiteer or no brexiteer. He'd be a great figurehead to take the hatred afterwards though and get him out of the way of British politics as quickly as possible.
 
In a no deal scenario it doesn't matter who's in charge. Can't influence anything anyway, brexiteer or no brexiteer. He'd be a great figurehead to take the hatred afterwards though and get him out of the way of British politics as quickly as possible.
Oh yeah that's what I meant.
 
So labours attempt to take control today - what are the odds

I think they only need 3 conservative votes (and they will probably get that) - but that assumes some of the opposition MP's dont back the government and i suspect some will
 
It's how they weigh the data (and that can be done conveniently in a few ways) that's the bigger mystery. For example that says Boris would get 37% well May got 42% of the vote and only got 313 seats yet Boris gets 395 in their projections. There's some big assumptions somewhere.

Increased Lib Dem vote would presumably damage Labour in a lot of marginals and hand them to the Tories.
 
Wow... It's all.about brexit for the conservative leadership

.Andrew Bridgen tells Guido that he has asked the whips to remove the whip from Tories who voted against the Government with Labour’s motion

This would then stop them from voting in the leadership election