A billionaire making a bet with a millionaire on people's lives. Sure it'll go down well.
Just highlights how out of touch the prime minister is.
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A billionaire making a bet with a millionaire on people's lives. Sure it'll go down well.
Just highlights how out of touch the prime minister is.
Anybody want to bet £1000 he doesn't go through this bet?
Someone should bet Starmer £1,000 that he can't say Israel are committing war crimes.
Well the ICJ stopped (just) short of that so why should he go further than one of the highest international courts?
Sunak is SO bad at politics! He just wrote Starmer’s PMQs for him.
- Is it becoming of a PM to make wagers on the outcomes of people seeking asylum?
- Is it not crass that, during a cost of living crisis when X% of people have less than £500 in savings, that the PM can spaff £1000 on a nonsense bet?
- What does it say about the PM LITERALLY gambling on his flagship policy working?
If I was anywhere near the social media bosses I’d be getting them to plaster out memes and post about that in every corner of the digital world!
- Is it becoming of a PM to make wagers on the outcomes of people seeking asylum?
- Is it not crass that, during a cost of living crisis when X% of people have less than £500 in savings, that the PM can spaff £1000 on a nonsense bet?
- What does it say about the PM LITERALLY gambling on his flagship policy working?
If I was anywhere near the social media bosses I’d be getting them to plaster out memes and post about that in every corner of the digital world!
He's such a vile individual which says something coming after Johnson. Tories will go into the gutter to fight for this election.
Huge celebrations announced in Spelthorne.
The act of seeking asylum is not illegal, however attempting to entry a country by a route that is clearly defined as part of the criminal enterprise of 'people -trafficking' and defined by that country as being illegal, is!
Yes, people feel forced into this illegal route because the UK government does not allow anything different, except in defined cases, e.g. Hong Kong, Ukraine, etc. latterly, and such as East Asians from Kenya, and others, earlier. However, it is still taking part in an illegal criminal enterprise and something any government has to stop, and be seen to being attempting to do so, and provides effective cover for the inadequate overall migration policy of the Tories.
This is part of what I have referred to in earlier posts, that there is no coherent migration strategy. This government has just been reacting to situations that have been developing, but they are not the main problem, it mixes up asylum and economic migrants in its pronouncements in order in some cases to deliberately cause confusion, or as @Paul the Wolf would have it, 'telling lies'.
Such misdirection (if that's what it is) leads on to nonsense policies like the Rwanda debacle and further muddies the waters.
I don't know if it is or not, but the UK government adheres to the idea of it, and is another indication of how unprepared, even after all this time the present government is on these matters. Along with Climate, Energy, and Natural Resources, Migration policy will dominate the next two decades at least.
This is precisely the point I am making, this government and previous ones have virtually made up migration policy 'on the hoof', whether it was 'Windrush', or other situations that came later, it was all a matter of responding to 'events' as they occurred. This approach is no longer either capable of being pursued, or in self -interest terms alone, feasible. We now know that climate change alone will render parts of the world uninhabitable, millions will be on the move, not just to avoid unjust regimes, persecution etc. but simply to survive; the northern hemisphere will be the likely preferred destination and at the moment at least in public very few countries in the Northern hemisphere are ready for it.
People trafficking is illegal, trying to obtain asylum in a country is not illegal and neither is leaving a country. Therefore the responsibility of the illegality is on the Uk government. There would be no need for people to pay traffickers or make dangerous crossings if the UK government allowed people to obtain legal access. Therefore they are promoting illegal activity. Aiding and abetting the traffickers.
But they've managed to brainwash large sections of the British public to conflate legal immigration with asylum seekers and make no mention at all of actual illegal immigrants because they have absolutely zero idea of how many there are..
Why is everyone so wound up about 40000 people but won't say anything about 1.2million legal immigrants or the unknown number of illegal immigrants - brainwashing and the inability to admit that Brexit is the cause of the huge increase.
Because they are being trafficked by criminals, its not rocket science!
Agreed many people, especially on the far right, don't want to see any immigrants at all. However the majority recognise (many from their own lineage) that the UK has always taken in immigrants, throughout its history and it will need more over time, for economic reasons much as anything else, especially young people who will have families and help the birth rate, etc.
Brexit is, in this matter at least, your 'red-herring' Paul, people who came here from the EU under freedom of movement were always likely to return to their native lands at some point, they were not the solution to the UK's low birth rate and ageing population. Only those who want to stay and build families and contribute throughout their lives. Mostly this from countries outside the EU, some of which seek asylum as well as economic migration. This is why a coherent migration policy has to be part of the main discussions and policy priorities in the UK over the next two decades.
Wtf. How is he not being hammered more for this? Absolutely disgusting for a low level MP let alone the fecking PM.
But they wouldn't be trafficked by criminals if the Uk had legal routes?!? So set up legal routes and remove their fears about them and the dangers they pretend to be so worried about would be over.
The people from outside the EU are coming for short-term work visas, not to stay in the Uk and pay taxes and settle down. They can't even bring their family. They'll be replaced by another group every couple of years. In every aspect Brexit has had the exact opposite effect of what people they thought they were voting for - worse trade, more immigration, less democracy, etc from A to Z, not one aspect has been any kind of benefit (and there's much worse to come).
Surely it's the traffickers who are doing illegal things not the asylum seeker
he’s just having a piss fake wager with a mate for a laugh. he’s just showing us how much he’s one of us.
It's been such an honour to serve my constituents that I don't want to do it in the opposition Party
That is correct sir.
Clearly, in a situation massively amplified, if not created, by the UK making it incredibly difficult, and in some cases impossible, to legally apply for asylum.
Yes, that's why a coherent migration policy is needed.
However, in the real world the people-trafficking criminality has to be stopped first. Whilst people still choose to make use of criminals, and such criminal activity is seen by many to be a form of 'queue jumping, because only those who can afford to pay these criminals are seen to be benefiting. Then I suspect they will not persuade either the government, nor the majority of people in the UK to seek a better solution.
This has become something of a 'Mexican-standoff' situation and perfect cover for the Tories, but I suspect a Labour Government would also have to resolve the small boats issues first, before it can win over a stronger support for more coherent routes for genuine asylum seekers, from the general populace.
If this is the case, then the policy rules will have to change and yes at some point relatives and dependents will need to be properly accommodated and the whole process made coherent and clear that if you apply to come here you are expected to stay.*
As I've mentioned before I believe we are a long way off a coherent migration approach yet, let alone such a defined policy. The current Tory government will introduce new and punitive actions (*) ( some I previously referred to as 'sand-bagging') along the way, this will be extrapolated when the Rwanda thing fails, probably in the run up to the GE.
I don't think this aspect of Brexit has caused any lasting problems, specifically in terms of immigration issues. The numbers of people arriving in the UK under freedom of movement did lead to lowering of wages in some areas, which have since risen (in part also because of Covid) as those people moved back. True some businesses have suffered a hit on their bottom line as a result of wage rises and it has forced them to have to look once again at training, and hence retaining, their own UK based people, instead of raiding the workforce of others. Conversely many companies are benefiting from being able to bring in specialist staff from the rest of the world, where crucial vacancies exist, at a lower rate than exists in the EU.
As you have often predicted the full effects from Brexit are likely to be experienced when the barriers to trade increase in the coming period, but I strongly suspect, it will only be the right-wing extremists who get upset about the apparent effects of Brexit on migration.
Why does the illegal trafficking have to stop first? Open legal routes and it puts it out of business just about. Problem solved. But we know why - it wouldn't satisfy those who want to blame immigrants.
Wages were lower because of freedom of movement from Europeans? Another myth of Brexit. If that was the case why were/are the salaries in many EU countries higher than the UK - they must have moved to be poorer?
Saw that Starmer wants to get equal pay for BAME people. Don't the same laws apply to everyone?
I know you believe Brexit will work and so does Starmer but it's impossible. I've got more chance of winning the lottery and I don't even play the lottery.
The far-right will get worse because the policy is insanely stupid and the more it fails the worse they will get.
Companies and the government are paying agencies to bring staff in. So the people aren't being paid more. Nobody benefits from this, the people will come and go and be earning less than before because they have to pay for visa and agency fees. And they won't pay much tax, so the country loses out.
Specialists are brought in to do the jobs British people were supposed to be doing after 'x' years of training. All those plumbers, electricians and builders Starmer's got lined up to be trained (even if they don't want to be) . Alice in Wonderland is more realistic.
Meanwhile the economy shrinks more and more and barriers grow and grow and people will realise eventually and the brighter people will move abroad, because they can, not the humble worker. It's a slow death. Just like the 60s brain drain.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...but-is-united-in-criticism-of-sunaks-policies
Truss’s PopCon group splinters on launch but attacks Sunak’s policies
Just two of four MPs billed to speak present as launch event amounts to evisceration of PM’s government
The decomposed lettuce, the haunted pencil and the 30p neanderthal.
Get out the popcoRn
Truss’s PopCon group splinters on launch but attacks Sunak’s policies
Just two of four MPs billed to speak present as launch event amounts to evisceration of PM’s government
The decomposed lettuce, the haunted pencil and the 30p neanderthal.
Get out the popcoRn
The turd that just won't flush.
About those waiting lists...
Rishi Sunak accused of personally holding up deal to end doctors’ strikes
Exclusive: Sources say PM has blocked talks due to concerns about knock-on effect of more generous pay offer
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...onally-holding-up-deal-to-end-doctors-strikes
Rishi Sunak accused of personally holding up deal to end doctors’ strikes
Exclusive: Sources say PM has blocked talks due to concerns about knock-on effect of more generous pay offer
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...onally-holding-up-deal-to-end-doctors-strikes
Can’t believe what I’ve just heard from Sunak in PMQ’s. Trying to score political points on Starmer’s views on Trans rights, all the while Brianna Ghey’s mother is in the chamber.
Absolute fecking scumbag. There is literally no depths these vermin will lower themselves to.
Absolute fecking scumbag. There is literally no depths these vermin will lower themselves to.
Just seen that myself. Unbelievable. He really is a Cnut.
He's a fecking cnut.
He's really not very good at this. What a fecking idiot.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...08405103619909#block-65c3748b8f08405103619909
Tim Loughton (Con) asks about migrants converting to Christianity to help their asylum claims.
Sunak says the Home Office has asked for a report into this.
Only Christians allowed?
Does this mean Sunak and Shitler will be deported?
Tim Loughton (Con) asks about migrants converting to Christianity to help their asylum claims.
Sunak says the Home Office has asked for a report into this.
Only Christians allowed?
Does this mean Sunak and Shitler will be deported?
I just watched that. What the absolute feck?! "Only a 99% U-turn." Starmer seemed properly pissed off by that as well.
These fecking people. That wasn't a mistake. Every single one of his responses is gone through with a fine tooth comb before PMQs. Sunak and his fecking bullying pals drafted that response and thought "yeah, this will energise our base". Chasing the votes of dickheads.
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Utterly disgusting. Blood is boiling. He should resign immediately.
8 year old me is hanging his head in shame.
Is Sunak going for the Boris Johnson tactic of trying to drown out bad news stories with more bad news stories?
Yesterday it was making 1K bets, today it's attacking trans people in front of the mother of a murdered trans person.
Is he completely losing the plot?
Yesterday it was making 1K bets, today it's attacking trans people in front of the mother of a murdered trans person.
Is he completely losing the plot?
Their only hope of getting elected again is to divide the public and persuade shitheads who hate "wokeness", or whatever they're calling it nowadays, to vote for them. They'll demonise anyone they can if it means they can keep their seat.
I guess they tried foreigners again like last time and it didn't work. Then they tried poor people, but nearly everyone is poor nowadays so that didn't work. "Oh, people on twitter like memes about trans people. That might be a vote winner!" Is probably how the discussion went on.
Just a reminder that Labour want to deny trans people that ability to use the same hospital wards as cis people.
It’s difficult to believe people are really outraged at the latest Tory bigotry. It’s all performative nonsense from everyone involved.
It’s difficult to believe people are really outraged at the latest Tory bigotry. It’s all performative nonsense from everyone involved.
I assume that this is related to the asylum granted to the London chemical attack guy, which was supported by a clergyman stating that he'd converted to Christianity?
Despicable tbh. He's a disgusting human being.
Honestly, horrific human being.