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I was hoping someone was going to ask "Who is your favourite Tory leader alive or dead".....I typed this out literally word for word yesterday and didn’t hit post
Of the current lot I would say (ironically) the one who is not standing... Ben Wallace!
Most of the Tories I have met or observed are bound together like a tribe, you have the rich Eton lot etc. and the ''hard heady' (usually self made) business entrepreneur, its all about self reliance and doing things for yourself. Many of the staunchest Tory's are people who have over come many hurdles in life and believe if they can do it so can everyone else. Compassion is not a common trait (remember Theresa and her 'nasty party' jibe) among Tories, but there are some.
Competition within the party is fierce especially for the top jobs, no quarter will be asked or given in this leadership fight and the winner knows there will be no forgiveness if they get it wrong.
After the blood bath of disposing of Margaret Thatcher, Major slipped in under the wire, to become PM, but by then the ruminations about Europe had taken hold and the fight to death (eventually played out with Brexit) started in earnest in the Tory party. Major was not strong enough and the public was fed up with the Tory's and with the magical touch of the Blair Era calling, John Major paid the penalty. (isn't hindsight wonderful!!)
In the next GE the public's displeasure with the Tory's is Starmer's best weapon against them, as long as he does nothing silly and keeps his volatile MP's quiet. The Tories will need another Margaret Thatcher to avoid disaster.
To be fair, I thought both Hunt and Javid were robustly challenged on this in their interviews yesterday. And essentially both claimed cutting taxes will boost growth, ergo blah blah - basically, usual trickle down bollocks.
What is really apparent is how out of any new, cogent ideas the Tories are. Maybe it is just the dearth of talent in the current Tory party, but, by God, it does seem like we witnessing the wake of an institution.
My mother was a weedgie, lovely to hear someone condemning Thatcher in that accent.
Are they all advocating an austerity programme?
And if was the fact that Osbourne believes that the austerity programme worked when it didn't.
It was one thing for Cameron and Osbourne to come and in and lie about needing austerity because at least they could shift blame onto Labour just being in power for 13 years.
It's quite another to come in after your party has already been in power for 12 years and then try and claim look the economy is fecked, we need austerity again, just try and forget we've been the ones in charge for 12 years ok?
It's quite another to come in after your party has already been in power for 12 years and then try and claim look the economy is fecked, we need austerity again, just try and forget we've been the ones in charge for 12 years ok?
Remoaners are the new escape goat
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...m-zahawi-joins-liz-truss-in-pledging-tax-cuts
Zahawi wants to fund tax cuts with 20% cuts across all public services.. What the actual feck is he smoking?
Sorry the library is shut so that James Dyson can get richer.
Zahawi wants to fund tax cuts with 20% cuts across all public services.. What the actual feck is he smoking?
Sorry the library is shut so that James Dyson can get richer.
The country owes it to itself to get rid of this party next year.
One has to ask the question why these people are so horny for a leadership position. You'd think the responsibilities and all would be a turnoff. But no, they're so desperate for it.
His team have amended it saying he meant cut 20% of civil servants, not departmental budgets.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...m-zahawi-joins-liz-truss-in-pledging-tax-cuts
Zahawi wants to fund tax cuts with 20% cuts across all public services.. What the actual feck is he smoking?
Sorry the library is shut so that James Dyson can get richer.
That still must surely reduce the quality of loads of public services though.
Im not close enough to this currently to have read into it but how do Labour’s policies compare? Are they pushing for higher taxes or how do they get around the problem of tax-cuts/spending?
With Energy bills topping £3,000 per year (possibly leading to civil unrest) with the likelihood that all Public Service Unions are carrying out planned programmed of selected 'strike' (causing most disruption) action, or 'working to rule', or on 'go slow' directives by Autumn; with inflation nudging 12-15%, in the new year, and even threats of a new wave of Covid....who exactly would want to be running the country?
Will it be the Tories or Labour that plan to lose the next GE?
Will it be the Tories or Labour that plan to lose the next GE?
What could possibly go wrong..
Bring back austerity? It never fecking ended.
Power. They don't take responsibility for anything bad, it's always someone else's fault - and the electorate believe them.
I don't believe either side will plan to lose an election.
The euro-sceptic in-fighting hurt them, but the biggest problem was simply that they reached the point governments always seem to after a decade where they were so self-entitled and getting hit by so many scandals and sleaze stories that the public had just had enough. Today feels like history just repeating itself. I don't think there's any chance at all of them winning the next election barring some huge unforeseen event like a war with Russia.
No chance at all. Its the kind of things pundits always speculate about but which never, ever happen. Politicians short term ambitions are always too strong.
Moreover, the party runs the risk of finding itself out of power for a long time.
This is true. Incumbents generally have a significant advantage.
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You have t give Starmer credit. It’s been clear for a long time his approach has been to give them enough rope to hang themselves and it was accused of being too passive.
It looks like the right move at the moment I just hope to god he leans to the left if he actually gets into power.
You have t give Starmer credit. It’s been clear for a long time his approach has been to give them enough rope to hang themselves and it was accused of being too passive.
It looks like the right move at the moment I just hope to god he leans to the left if he actually gets into power.
You have t give Starmer credit. It’s been clear for a long time his approach has been to give them enough rope to hang themselves and it was accused of being too passive.
It looks like the right move at the moment I just hope to god he leans to the left if he actually gets into power.
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He won't.
I think if someone like Sunak etc is appointed Tory leader, Starmer will need to be much less passive and more policy specific.
The most shocking thing about the Andrea Jenkyns stuff is the fact that she gave a good character statement to a Tory supporter who was found guilty of threatening behaviour towards a Labour MP.
Im surprised not many media outlets have been reporting on that to be honest. When you’re out there giving positive character statements to the police on members of the public threatening MPs then you have no leg to stand on when you start receiving some abuse yourself.
Im surprised not many media outlets have been reporting on that to be honest. When you’re out there giving positive character statements to the police on members of the public threatening MPs then you have no leg to stand on when you start receiving some abuse yourself.
If Labour get in power now, right before a likely recession they will be lumbered with the schtick that they aren't the Party that can handle the Economy. (The British public are dumb with short memories on anything that isn't printed in The Sun or Daily Mail)
And all the other dominoes that fall will be lumbered with them too.
I don't really see a scenario where anyone "wins" from being in power right now, things aren't gonna get better for the public soon - and it could shape narratives for a number of years to come.
Plus Labour have shown to not have much in the way of policies that are different than the Tories so far.
And all the other dominoes that fall will be lumbered with them too.
I don't really see a scenario where anyone "wins" from being in power right now, things aren't gonna get better for the public soon - and it could shape narratives for a number of years to come.
Plus Labour have shown to not have much in the way of policies that are different than the Tories so far.
No idea; not heard anything concrete from Labour on this.
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Waste of time
Is it not a bit of a moral victory to have Johnson kicked out this week?
Or do you mean its a waste of time in the sense that they wouldn't get the VONC through anyway?
Why?
Probably to target the Tory backbenchers, they were quick enough to want him out but if expected in that that they vote for him in a confidence vote, it will just make them look like hypocrites.
No it's not
Is there a chance this VONC backfires and the Tory troops rally round? So close, yet so far..
I think the Tory MPs rallying around is exactly what they'll be looking for....
Yeah my question was why is it a waste of time.
Labour cannot lose this vote. If they win and Boris is out (despite 80 majority) then that is a huge result and the end of Boris. He can’t use the next 2 months to do any more damage.
If Johnson wins the vote, the Tory party are shown up for who they are and going into the next election “supported Boris despite everything” becomes a hell of a campaign hit. They’re already at 28% in the polls, continuing to support Johnson after these last few weeks and all the resignations would be an incredibly bad move.