More than anything he must be livid with Rooney being appointed captain. Probably joined redcafe to vent his frustration.
What do we think Fergie makes of all this?
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So many feelings
He ain't walking through that door.
His time was up. His style of play was outdated and he knew when to get out. I will want to ask him if he knew he was about to call it quit when he was handling Pogba the way he did.
What was the Bebe deal all about?
What was the Bebe deal all about?
He probably doesn't know who stayed and remained just like the rest of us. Processes and Philosophies brings him headaches
"The quality of this league winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success at the highest level whilst the structure of the youth set-up will ensure that the long-term future of the club remains a bright one."
To me that was some kind of gentlemanlike talk. I mean, what else he should have said after this retirement? "Oh, and by the way, the squad is shit, we really must clean out the stable."
Ferguson was able to win the league with average players because he was a genius, but even he would have made a lot of changes over the last two years, I think. (Cleverley, Nani, Anderson, Zaha, Hernandez, Buttner, Bebe,...)
But maybe - just a feeling - Kagawa, Welbeck and Macheda would still be with us.
To me that was some kind of gentlemanlike talk. I mean, what else he should have said after this retirement? "Oh, and by the way, the squad is shit, we really must clean out the stable."
Ferguson was able to win the league with average players because he was a genius, but even he would have made a lot of changes over the last two years, I think. (Cleverley, Nani, Anderson, Zaha, Hernandez, Buttner, Bebe,...)
But maybe - just a feeling - Kagawa, Welbeck and Macheda would still be with us.
What does Sir Matt make of all this?
Fergie must be off on some boat in Barbados singing cha cha cha with some fine ass booty.
So many ungrateful cnuts in here. No more so than this one
I just watched Roy and Vieira. I miss real football
No point in even speculating. How are we supposed to know what he's thinking?
BBC taunting us with this picture on its transfer deadline day page. Loads of 'What-ifs' there
Easy, you just say that Fergie would agree with whatever criticism you have of United. It doesn't really matter whether he would actually agree.
Hmm, so is this all part of an ongoing WUM by you lately, or are you having a nervous breakdown?
I'm sure Ferguson knew his successor(s) would have to pay the price for his 20th, for his departure in style. Two CB's who where nearing retirement, his last big buy who was in his thirties, no youngsters with great potential. I think he has earned the right to leave like that, and his successor should have a chance to renew the squad, but he certainly did not leave a top sqaud behind.
No, I don't think he did either. Moyes was a waste of a year too (Fellaini in). After that, player-wise, where we are now / where we might be. The only questions / answers that might be vastly different in that particular very particular context that could be brought forward to now as relevant for the first choice team are Rafael (I prefer Darmian anyway) & Rooney (out presumably).
But all meaningless speculation innit? And LVG is getting stick for some things that aren't his fault, imo.
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feck Fergie, what does Ja Rule make of this?
I am extremely grateful for what Fergie did. In fact I think it is needless to say really. His record is evidently clear to all, even to opposing fans who might begrudgingly acknowledge.
When it comes to the squad that won us that 20th season and beyond, it was not good enough for any other manager. He would have been able to do well with that squad, but not many people can do what he does.
This is the basis for my questions to him. If he was staying to ensure we are strengthen before leaving I would have understood the Pogba treatment.
Agreed! Its sad!
He'd probably think half the posters on here should feck off and support Chelsea.
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How was his time up? when he had united competing for the best trophy's who almost knocked madrid out if it was not for the ref, the quality of the squad's decline is a 50/50 with our finance, and lack of strengthening the squad when it needed, but no way was fergie's time up. VG looks more outdated than fergie, and if I am honest we signed a manger in VG who seems ageing and more senile every day, unlike VG, fergie had still a much clear focus than VG on what he wanted from his squad, and he never give so complicated instructions, he let the players enjoy their football.
I NEED JA
in all fairness fergie left us with an aging squad with far to many average players...
Nothing pisses me off more than this "style of play was shite, zombieman pass, outdated, no culture, shite manager" bullshit that keeps being pedled.
Disagree, he left us with a balanced squad who were used to playing Sir Alex football. Most of these players were shipped on because they werent given a chance by Van Gaal or they simply werent able to play Van Gaal football.
Really? What is "sir Alex football" anyway? Because there's absolutely no doubt that the football we played in Fergie's last couple of years in charge was markedly different to what we'd seen with great Fergie sides from the past.
I know what Fergie makes of the latest bit of United history... he must be pissing himself, considering how annoyed he has been with Real
This
It was our CL style recycled for the PL. Not as much energy used as in the 90s to be able to challenge on all fronts throughout and limit injuries. It was boring at times but effective. He still allowed our attacking players freedom to express themselves in the final third and was far more fluid in tactics than Van Gaal who likes his players to be in a specific area of the pitch. Its a very different style.
Agreed
Pogue did Fergie piss in your chips?
You come across so bitter about his reign these days
It was a very different style to Van Gaal, I wouldn't argue with that. It was also a very different style to the last Fergie team to actually succeed in Europe, so not sure what you mean about "CL style recycled for the PL".
Let's not forget that our record in the Europe was kind of crap during Fergie's last few seasons in charge. It's absolute nonsense to claim we had a good , balanced squad playing "Sir Alex football". It was, at best, a work in progress and demonstrably a level below his previous quality squads. We were horribly reliant on Giggs and Scholes right up until their retirement and had nobody anywhere near their kind of quality ready to take over. That was a ticking time bomb that Fergie didn't solve and his succesors have really struggled with since. And that's not even mentioning the challenges in finding defensive replacements of the same quality as Vidic, Rio and Evra.
Whatever it was, it worked very well and got us plenty of goals and won us the title.
I'm not remotely bitter about his reign. It was amazing. I'm bitter about the one-eyed bollox from people who can't wait to slag off every manager that has the unenviable task of replacing him and refuse to face the reality of the enormous task they faced. I don't blame Fergie for rinsing every last drop out of the squad before he retired. He's more than entitled to do that and winning number 20 was the perfect send-off. Don't kid yourself into thinking he left the makings of another great squad behind him, though. He didn't have to do that and he quite clearly didn't.
Every thread you see this: "ooh, Fergie wouldn't do this if he was still in charge! He'd agree with what I think about this" crap. And most of them were probably shitting on Fergie most of the time, moaners that they are. But now they invoke Fergie like invoking scripture to prove their views on how shit United are.
United won every game 5-0 under Fergie, always playing the greatest football ever seen! Every game!
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Think you're arguining for the sake of arguing.
Its pretty obvious we took our CL formula which was used in the group stages and was so successful and adapted it to the PL. I remember people hating the group stages because our football was dull yet effective. Normally resulting in high possession football and enough goals to win a game without actually humiliating the opposition and knackering our players in the process. This is something we carried over into the PL, a slow 'zombie football' which was boring but effective. Always doing enough to win and then shutting up shop.
Id agree about Giggs and Scholes. Our midfield needed work but the answerr wasnt signing more number 10s as we have done. Only this summer has our midfield finally be fixed imo. Dont agree about the defense though, Vidic had more years in him at United imo. Evra could still do a job for us, only Rio needed replacing and Smalling was ready.
The squad was fine, needed a few signings to plug a few gaps but the money was there ready for the new manager. I think Sir Alex stopped spending big in his last few years to ensure there was a big war chest ready as he knew a new manager would want his own players.
He's disappointed LVG didn't read the review copy of his new book over the summer...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Leading-Sir...&qid=1441186136&sr=8-3&keywords=alex+ferguson
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Leading-Sir...&qid=1441186136&sr=8-3&keywords=alex+ferguson
Bolocks. United won the league in 2013 because Van Perise was having a golden spell, City were having their (now regular) post-title dip and other rivals were rebuilding. Fergie did amazingly well to drag another title out, but once Van Persie lost it the squads many flaws were fatally exposed. It required major major rebuilding. And thankully the last year has seen a major removal of deadwood, including Van Persie sadly.
And I bet you were pissing all over "Sir alex football" in many of the games in the last year of his reign. There were plenty of awful performances saved by some Van Persie magic.
I think he'll be more disappointed in the attitude of a lot of his stars and young players than anything.
Agree with this, bar with Vidic's bit.
He had trouble with injuries in Fergie's last two seasons, and even when fit was far from the physical beast he was at his peak. He was absolutely terrible under Moyes (our worst player that season) and now is Inter's fifth choice CB. He was completely finished when Fergie left.
Evra is a bit more difficult to answer. He looked bad in his last few years here (defensive wise), but was quite good for Juve. I guess that he could have still had done a job as Shaw's backup, but I guess he wanted an another adventure.
You haven't followed his career in Italy then?
I think Evra probably could do a job for his but he was clearly on the wane as Fergie's reign came to an end. Finding an adequate replacement was always going to be on the long "to do" list that Fergie's successor inherited. Thankfully doing everything possible to sign Luke Shaw was one of the very few things on that list that Moyes sorted out in his short reign.
Smalling looks to be more or less ready to replace one or other of our great CBs but let's not ignore the fact he's been constantly in and out of the physio room since Fergie left. Ditto Jones and Rafael. Not to mention the hassle of trying to decide what to do with Anderson, Welbeck, Fletcher, Evans, Kagawa, Zaha, Powell, Nani and Cleverley or the mystifying decline of Valencia and Young that was well underway when Fergie was still in charge. Plus the manager seemed to have serious doubts about Rooney and our only other top striker was about to enter a terminal decline.
All of this means that when a new manager takes on the biggest job in the country and immediately needs to set about a major overhaul of every part of the squad, bar goalkeeper (who was already thinking about a move to Madrid) then it's fecking laughable to claim our squad was "fine" or only needed to "plug a few gaps".
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