What Now For Moyes?

[Sassy Colin]

I have no respect for Moyes as a manager, and I think no good clubs should go near him. He's an ex-player turned manager, and like most players who become managers hasn't changed, updated, evolved his philosophy one bit. Over-training, "get to the byline and put in a cross, play like Jagielka" fecking miserable clown. He's mid-table mediocrity, hope to never hear his name again.

Vast majority of managers used to be football players, it is not the issue here.

SAF, Guardiola, LvG, and Ancelotti were also players. The issue has more to do with personality types and the willingness to be adventurous enough to learn and apply new things.

Look at LvG. He prefers a 4-3-3 but saw that a 3-4-1-2 suits our personnel better so implemented it right away. I don't see Moyes trying a 3-4-1-2 out in a million years even if his squad is tailor-made for it.

Moyes was a shit player who never did anything in the game, just like his management (oh, apart from winning Division 2 with Preston).

 

[stevoc]

Moyes was a shit player who never did anything in the game, just like his management (oh, apart from winning Division 2 with Preston).

Easy he also won the Charity Shield lest we forget.

 

[Turnip]

Moyes is a little old fashioned and would probably bring relative success to smaller clubs. He seems like an honest guy who simply wasn't right for the United job, but I don't think you can blame him for having a shot, who wouldn't?
Sure he'll stay in management, just not in a top flight club, maybe not even a premier league club. Hope he gets over his failure here and manages to move on and find some sort of success somewhere.

 

[Big Papi]

That may be true but your comments on Ferdinand seem to have an equal amount of sting in them, so far you have called him a sham of a professional and cnutish thats your opinion of him and you are entitled to it, but thats hardly 'classy' either.

Unlike Moyes Rio actually was world class and a great servant to United for over a decade, that was easily forgotten by some once his legs went.

Moyes was a useless clown who did real damage in his short time at United he deserves all the stick he gets on here, in fact he probably doesn't get enough. He really did a number on some who against all logic still try to defend his tenure at United.

So? Does he get to stay forever then? If you're done, you're done. If he was such a great servant, he should've respected the club more by behaving properly. Fergie asked the fans to give Moyes support and I think they did until well after Christmas, but he should have asked the same of the players.

Also, I criticised his behaviour, not him.

 

[Big Papi]

Easy he also won the Charity Shield lest we forget.

Which is easily topped by the 13 PL titles you've won. I think I've established what you are.

 

[stevoc]

So? Does he get to stay forever then? If you're done, you're done.

No of course not but thats not the point. You are the one asking people to ''thank him for his efforts and move on.'' in regards to Moyes for 10 months of incompetence, and yet you havent a good word to say about Ferdinand after 12 years of loyal service to the club.

If he was such a great servant, he should've respected the club more by behaving properly.

How did he disrespect the club?

How did he not behave properly?

Also, I criticised his behaviour, not him.

You called him a sham of a professional and cnutish if thats not criticising someones character i don't know what is.

I genuinely don't give a feck what you call Ferdinand on here, fill your boots for all i care, but laying into Ferdinand you only make yourself look a hypocrite with your bleating about people disrespecting Moyes and spouting guff about being 'classy'.

I think I've established what you are.

Yeah and whats that? Have some balls if you are going to insult someone do it, instead of insinuating.

 

[Big Papi]

No of course not but thats not the point. You are the one asking people to ''thank him for his efforts and move on.'' in regards to Moyes for 10 months of incompetence, and yet you havent a good word to say about Ferdinand after 12 years of loyal service to the club.



How did he disrespect the club?

How did he not behave properly?



You called him a sham of a professional and cnutish if thats not criticising someones character i don't know what is.

I genuinely don't give a feck what you call Ferdinand on here, fill your boots for all i care, but laying into Ferdinand you only make yourself look a hypocrite with your bleating about people disrespecting Moyes and spouting guff about being 'classy'.




Yeah and whats that? Have some balls if you are going to insult someone do it, instead of insinuating.

It's a thread about Moyes, not Rio. I was speaking about Rio's behaviour during Moyes' time.

A chain is as strong as it's weakest link. The club and the players must bind together to face adversity. Rio's tweets were done, not with the good of the club in mind.

I called him a sham of a professional 'during that period' and I said his behaviour was cnutish. If you're going to quote, context is important.

I'm not being hypocritical. Moyes was genuinely doing his best, in difficult circumstances. If he couldn't do it or couldn't do it with the circumstances as they were, we'll probably never find out. Rio's behaviour was not good during the time. It's the difference between a lack of ability and actively committing yourself to negative actions. It's not hypocritical to do so.

Moyes may not ever have been a success at United, but he came into a big club needing all the support he could get. Rio, as a senior player, should have gotten on board and he didn't. He didn't have to respect Moyes as a man, but he could have respected the fact that he was the United manager, but he didn't.

I can't here - it's against the rules. Anyway, it wasn't an insult. More of an insight.

I'm not going to continue posting about this. I have things to do and pieces of toast to eat.

 

[Ringo 07]

Moyes may not ever have been a success at United, but he came into a big club needing all the support he could get. Rio, as a senior player, should have gotten on board and he didn't. He didn't have to respect Moyes as a man, but he could have respected the fact that he was the United manager, but he didn't.

I think at the end of the day the players could see after maybe 1 or 2 months that Moyes was miles out of his depth and Rio's twitter comments along with Van Persie's endless injuries and leaks to the press about players getting in his way were the senior players way of getting the message out that Moyes was clearly the wrong choice. Sadly it took Fergie and Woodward many more months to admit to their mistake meaning a manager that was miles out of his depth getting 4 more months than he should have which may have caused more damage to the team......but at the same time you have to back your managers but the early signs from Moyes were clearly not good enough and at any big club on the planet bar Utd then he'd have been sacked by Christmas

 

[itso 7]

And there were some examples of how he could have succeeded. Decent record of giving youth a chance, supposed to make us hard to beat by drilling defensive discipline into training, good eye for a bargain in the transfer market. The fact is that no one expected the entire team to collapse like it did. A manager failing is one thing, but to nearly destroy the club by causing rifts in the first team is what sealed his fate imo.

But he showed none of traits here. Eye for a bargain ? Fellaini, Mata ? Defensive drilling, well our defence collapsed under him. If he had done those things correctly then he'd have at the very least salvaged our season and his reputation.

 

[Winrar]

Didn't City win the league? Didn't Gary Neville and Fergie say that we aspired to Chelsea's level in the mid-noughties when they were dominating? You aim to be the best and that's what he (said he) was doing.

The Moyes-hate is terrible.

Look, he made our club into a laughing stock in just one, I mean less than one season. Yes, City won the league, but they're not a complete powerhouse that 04-06 Chelsea was. City weren't even the champions at the time Moyes said that, either.

His mentality was a complete joke, his tactics were a complete joke, his man management was a complete joke, his interviews were downright laughable, results were absolutely tragic, etc. He had 9 months with complete support from the board and he turned everything into a complete farce. At the end of the day fans had minimum expectation of securing a place in the Champions League by finishing 4th (maybe even coming close to that provided there were clear, effective footballing vision, tactics, and progress that someone like Rodgers had) as we were willing to get behind Moyes as Fergie told the supporters, but he couldn't even come close to achieving that.

 

[ravi2]

It's a thread about Moyes, not Rio. I was speaking about Rio's behaviour during Moyes' time.

A chain is as strong as it's weakest link. The club and the players must bind together to face adversity. Rio's tweets were done, not with the good of the club in mind.

I called him a sham of a professional 'during that period' and I said his behaviour was cnutish. If you're going to quote, context is important.

I'm not being hypocritical. Moyes was genuinely doing his best, in difficult circumstances. If he couldn't do it or couldn't do it with the circumstances as they were, we'll probably never find out. Rio's behaviour was not good during the time. It's the difference between a lack of ability and actively committing yourself to negative actions. It's not hypocritical to do so.

Moyes may not ever have been a success at United, but he came into a big club needing all the support he could get. Rio, as a senior player, should have gotten on board and he didn't. He didn't have to respect Moyes as a man, but he could have respected the fact that he was the United manager, but he didn't.
I can't here - it's against the rules. Anyway, it wasn't an insult. More of an insight.
I'm not going to continue posting about this. I have things to do and pieces of toast to eat.

If I was Rio and Moyes made me get defending tips from watching videos of phil fecking jagielka, Id have no respect for him either.
Put yourself in Rio's shoes.

 

[stevoc]

It's a thread about Moyes, not Rio. I was speaking about Rio's behaviour during Moyes' time.

It is a thread about Moyes, but you were the one who brought Rio up to have a go at him were you not, and he is relevant to the conversation we are having about Moyes.

A chain is as strong as it's weakest link. The club and the players must bind together to face adversity. Rio's tweets were done, not with the good of the club in mind.

Tweets? Which tweets were these, if Rio had posted tweets bad mouthing Moyes or the club it would have been big news. I don't remember any. Enlighten me please.

I called him a sham of a professional 'during that period' and I said his behaviour was cnutish. If you're going to quote, context is important.

You keep saying Rio's behaved 'cnutish' (basically calling him a cnut btw) what did he do that was cnutish?

I'm not being hypocritical. Moyes was genuinely doing his best, in difficult circumstances. If he couldn't do it or couldn't do it with the circumstances as they were, we'll probably never find out. Rio's behaviour was not good during the time. It's the difference between a lack of ability and actively committing yourself to negative actions. It's not hypocritical to do so.

I said you make yourself look like a hypocrite when you say people shouldn't denigrate or insult Moyes while in the same post you call Rio cnutish and a sham of a professional. Isn't that the very definition of hypocritical.

Why does David Moyes deserve more respect than Rio Ferdinand in your opinion?

Moyes may not ever have been a success at United, but he came into a big club needing all the support he could get. Rio, as a senior player, should have gotten on board and he didn't. He didn't have to respect Moyes as a man, but he could have respected the fact that he was the United manager, but he didn't.

How do you know he didn't get on board? How do you know he didn't respect Moyes?

I have yet to see any stories about Ferdinand from reputable sources to suggest he was unprofessional during Moyes tenure, please don't tell me you are not basing your opinion on Rio off Twitter and Fanzine rumours?

Because if you believed all that shite then our most decorated player and new assistant manager was one of the worst culprits when it came to disrespecting and undermining Moyes. Was he unprofessional also?

I can't here - it's against the rules. Anyway, it wasn't an insult. More of an insight.

If it wasn't an insult then i doubt its against forum rules. Post your 'insight', it would be fascinating to hear the opinion you have formed on me as a person based on 2-3 posts on an internet football forum.

I have things to do and pieces of toast to eat.

Enjoy your toast.

 

[Dominos]

The Ferdinand hate escalated from a nothing incident really. From what I can recall he gave an interview towards the end of 2013 in which he mentioned he prefers to be given the news on whether he's playing early so he can be physically and mentally prepared (which was in contrast to how we were doing things last season, with the team news being close to the game). This somehow prompted a tirade of abuse on here on how he's a scumbag, a poor leader, and unprofessional.

Looking at the tangible evidence, this incident seems to be the full extent of his 'unprofessional behaviour' during the Moyes era. That is until the "rumours" tweet when Moyes was about to get sacked, but can we really say that had a negative effect on anything?

 

[stevoc]

The Ferdinand hate escalated from a nothing incident really. From what I can recall he gave an interview towards the end of 2013 in which he mentioned he prefers to be given the news on whether he's playing early so he can be physically and mentally prepared (which was in contrast to how we were doing things last season, with the team news being close to the game). This somehow prompted a tirade of abuse on here on how he's a scumbag, a poor leader, and unprofessional.

Looking at the tangible evidence, this incident seems to be the full extent of his 'unprofessional behaviour' during the Moyes era. That is until the "rumours" tweet when Moyes was about to get sacked, but can we really say that had a negative effect on anything?

I remember that interview mate, i thought nothing of it at the time he was just saying what he prefers, i don't remember him saying anything negative about Moyes to undermine him or Moyes commenting on Rio's conduct negatively. And as you say i don't remember hearing any other negative story relating Ferdinand, or about him bad mouthing people on twitter. So where this hate for Ferdinand came from in the last few months is a mystery to me.

I think a lot of us have always thought he was a bit of a wally with twitter and his prank show etc. but all that stuff is harmless hes always seemed like a good lad to me, if he was the unprofessional cnut some would have you believe he would not have lasted 11 years under Ferguson. He should be regarded as a legend for his service to United in my opinion.

What was this 'rumours' tweet mate, did he say something bad about Moyes getting sacked?

 

[gooDevil]

A lot of people seemed to think it was Rio who was leaking the line ups.

 

[Dominos]

I remember that interview mate, i thought nothing of it at the time he was just saying what he prefers, i don't remember him saying anything negative about Moyes to undermine him or Moyes commenting on Rio's conduct negatively. And as you say i don't remember hearing any other negative story relating Ferdinand, or about him bad mouthing people on twitter. So where this hate for Ferdinand came from in the last few months is a mystery to me.

I think a lot of us have always thought he was a bit of a wally with twitter and his prank show etc. but all that stuff is harmless hes always seemed like a good lad to me, if he was the unprofessional cnut some would have you believe he would not have lasted 11 years under Ferguson. He should be regarded as a legend for his service to United in my opinion.

What was this 'rumours' tweet mate, did he say something bad about Moyes getting sacked?

Not really. I think he tweeted his song of the day which was "rumours" or something like that. This was in the midst of the newspapers reporting he was getting sacked in the morning.

 

[Empire]

Easy he also won the Charity Shield lest we forget.

Look at how happy he looks, only if he had a crystal ball.

 

[stevoc]

Not really. I think he tweeted his song of the day which was "rumours" or something like that. This was in the midst of the newspapers reporting he was getting sacked in the morning.

Ah right cheers, so he tweeted a song called rumours and people took this as a dig at Moyes. Well thats tenuous to say the least.

 

[Xaviesta]

Palace might be a good place to restore his repuation. Or maybe performing well there would just crystallise it.

 

[Invictus]

Palace might be a good place to restore his repuation. Or maybe performing well there would just crystallise it.

But he Barcelona.

 

[Sky1981]

He wasn't alone in doing that. The players were culpable too. Any club, if everyone points the one direction, will work better than lads going every which way. Rio shite-ing on about shit on Twitter should not have happened. The dressing-room should be a black hole of information, where nothing gets out. You think he had a full career ahead of him to worry about, not someone at the tail-end of one.

If he wasn't good enough, he wasn't. What happened wasn't by design/on purpose. Why posters are denigrating him to such an extent does not befit a 'classy' club like Man United. At worst, it was a mistake.....we thank him for his efforts and move on. There is gravel in a lot of the comments.

He's doing that alone that moyo!

Ffs, is this still up for debate? Look how evra, rio, and vidic prove moyo wrong by playing top level football this season!

 

[.Rossi]

Look at the shape Rio is in....

If Rio is a sham of a professional, what the hell is Wayne Rooney then?

 

[.Rossi]

David Moyes was manager of Manchester United

People thought he was destined for success

I have no friends, family or partner...Sometimes in my lonely state I sit outside, smoke and watch the stars. I often think about life and whats beyond. Then I stop as it's too much of my brain to comprehend......

I'd rather think about life, space, religion and what's beyond out there then David Moyes being our manager.....Says a lot

 

[MUFCpiffgawd]

Burnley manager saying the same words as Moyes "we are going to try and make it difficult for" makes you realize how far we've come since last year

 

[entropy]

If I was Rio and Moyes made me get defending tips from watching videos of phil fecking jagielka, Id have no respect for him either.
Put yourself in Rio's shoes.

This is just some cheap rumor out of the several others which were flying around during Moyes's time at united. Think straight, why would any manager do that to one of his top players.

 

[Everest Red]

This is just some cheap rumor out of the several others which were flying around during Moyes's time at united. Think straight, why would any manager do that to one of his top players.

Even if Moyes did it, he might have done so to provide Rio a demonstration Jagielka's role in a defensive system.

 

[.Rossi]

This is just some cheap rumor out of the several others which were flying around during Moyes's time at united. Think straight, why would any manager do that to one of his top players.

Vidic was asked if Moyes did that in an interview.......

Vidic hesitated before answering, before finally saying, "It doesn't matter what he did"

It's not a rumour

 

[.Rossi]

Even if Moyes did it, he might have done so to provide Rio a demonstration Jagielka's role in a defensive system.

Maybe I'm taking you up wrong but, in my opinion, telling one of England's best defenders ever to play like someone, below their level, is very insulting.

I doubt very much if Fergie told Keano to play like Robbo when he first came into the team....And Robbo was

 

[hobbers]

This is just some cheap rumor out of the several others which were flying around during Moyes's time at united.

True, but there's more smoke about it as a rumor than the common view of Rio not respecting Moyes and trying to constantly undermine him.

The truths about Moyes tenure are probably far more mundane than the mumbled player mutinies and ridiculous coaching methods that the media wants us to imagine.

 

[Manchie]

He seems nice guy but sadly I believe his methods and philosophy are anti football and I don't sympathize with him that he is jobless.

 

[.Rossi]

Let it fly lads....Let it fly

 

[Amir]

Let it fly lads....Let it fly

Like Van Gaal told Rooney to?

 

[shaggy]

I think at the end of the day the players could see after maybe 1 or 2 months that Moyes was miles out of his depth and Rio's twitter comments along with Van Persie's endless injuries and leaks to the press about players getting in his way were the senior players way of getting the message out that Moyes was clearly the wrong choice. Sadly it took Fergie and Woodward many more months to admit to their mistake meaning a manager that was miles out of his depth getting 4 more months than he should have which may have caused more damage to the team......but at the same time you have to back your managers but the early signs from Moyes were clearly not good enough and at any big club on the planet bar Utd then he'd have been sacked by Christmas

We may well have approached van Gaal in December time but been told he was not available until after the world cup. Not sure who we could have appointed really, perhaps Pochettino.

 

[Galactic]

Am I the only one in here who desperately wants Moyes to be successful?

OK, he was very bad, borderline terrible, with us, but that's no reason to 'hate' him like he's a disease or something.

 

[Boycott]

Am I the only one in here who desperately wants Moyes to be successful?

OK, he was very bad, borderline terrible, with us, but that's no reason to 'hate' him like he's a disease or something.

I'm with you.

 

[sizzling sausages]

Yeah, I'd like to see him come back from his stint here and do well elsewhere too. Some of the abuse he still gets from United fans is pathetic.

 

[entropy]

Vidic was asked if Moyes did that in an interview.......

Vidic hesitated before answering, before finally saying, "It doesn't matter what he did"

It's not a rumour

Utter bollocks, so you are saying that interviewer specifically asked "did Moyes show rio video of jagielka defending"? Sounds like BS to me.

 

[crossy1686]

Am I the only one in here who desperately wants Moyes to be successful?

OK, he was very bad, borderline terrible, with us, but that's no reason to 'hate' him like he's a disease or something.

I think you're a rare breed, for sure.

I don't think anyone wants to see him fail, I think we all just expect him to.

If Moyes does go on to be successful and you know, maybe even win a trophy in his career, it will make us look bad. I prefer the story as it is "Moyes given a golden opportunity but runs it into the ground".

 

[ravi2]

This is just some cheap rumor out of the several others which were flying around during Moyes's time at united. Think straight, why would any manager do that to one of his top players.

Actually I believe he did.

 

[Moonred]

Think people have established what he is and what he is not, not sure the point of continuously discussing him just for the heck of it.