What Now For Moyes?

.Rossi said:
Ha yep.
Cos I made it up for the sake of it.

A quick google will show you
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Moyes responds to certain accusations that were levelled at him. For instance, had he encouraged Rio Ferdinand to study a video of Phil Jagielka? ‘That’s nonsense,’ he says. ‘I would never do that.’
 
stevoc said:






These two quotes sum up why Moyes failed at United for me perfectly, he doesn't consider taking over the champions and presiding over a nose down the table to 7th a failure because thats where he usually finished, thats the status quo for him. Had we came 4th he probably would have considered it a great success instead of the bare minimum expected. No doubt this mid table attitude filtered down to the players as well by the looks of some last season.

To also say he went into the job thinking he would do exactly what he did at everton confirms what many (myself included) think, he just totally underestimated the scale of the United job and probably doesn't have the ability to adapt his methods to suit the club and players he's managing. Also proves he was totally unsuited to manage a club of United's stature from the outset.

The badge on his blazer changed but in his head noting else did. I dread to think what would have became of United had he been given a few years in the job.



Still sucking up to the press as well i see to ensure they don't give him a rough time if he ever gets another job in england.
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I read some of the comments from the interview and somebody said that if Moyes believed the first to replace Fergie was going to struggle, then why did he not have the guts to turn it down. My belief is that for a British manager, the chance to manage United or Liverpool is just too good to turn down.
 
When he does get another job and they play United, what sort of reception will he get from the homes fans at Old Trafford?
 
PickledRed said:
Why do you think he agreed to the exclusive? It wasn't a hatchet job, it was a cosy chat over lunch. These papers don't get big interviews by hammering the subject.
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Then don't make the interview, that article makes a mockery of journalism.
 
The way he was sacked will forever be a stain on the supposed 'moral superiority' some of us believe we have.

I still think enough fans don't get how important SAF/Gill were and the values they exhibited as human beings. Simply put, no employee ever left our club in the circumstances Moyes did, not even Keane or Ruud who left under a serious cloud.

Great interview by Moyes and shows his character and class. I simply wish United fans would conclude he was not up for the job but stop the character assassination we see from some on this board. I don't see what yours did wrong apart from not being good enough .... There is no manager alive who would turn down this job, it's even more prestigious and seductive as playing for Real Madrid.

I think United fans should bury this hatchet with Moyes and now get behind him - it will never happen, but get him back at OT and give him an ovation for trying. That's what a classy club would do. Sadly I don't think we have that class any more.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I read some of the comments from the interview and somebody said that if Moyes believed the first to replace Fergie was going to struggle, then why did he not have the guts to turn it down. My belief is that for a British manager, the chance to manage United or Liverpool is just too good to turn down.
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No doubt mate, it was the only chance at an elite club Moyes was ever likely to be offered. He had to take it.
 
njred said:
I'm very fond of Moyes. He's a good Mgr that got put in an impossible spot. Following saf and taking over a team with an aging defence and an underperforming midfield. He should have been given a few more years
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Regardless of what he says and what he does going forward I wish him well but i am 100% thankful hes not our manager anymore.

We may do equally bad under LvG but i still wouldn't think Moyes would ever be better suited for the position.
 
duffer said:
When he does get another job and they play United, what sort of reception will he get from the homes fans at Old Trafford?
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Nothing memorable. They wouldn't boo him for sure unless he comes out and slams United or something. Whilst many United fans were losing it last season, the match-going fans were always patient and supportive of him. When they booed it was usually directed at a player or at the team. Moyes did get it easy in that regard.
 
stevoc said:


These two quotes sum up why Moyes failed at United for me perfectly, he doesn't consider taking over the champions and presiding over a nose down the table to 7th a failure because thats where he usually finished, thats the status quo for him. Had we came 4th he probably would have considered it a great success instead of the bare minimum expected. No doubt this mid table attitude filtered down to the players as well by the looks of some last season.

To also say he went into the job thinking he would do exactly what he did at everton confirms what many (myself included) think, he just totally underestimated the scale of the United job and probably doesn't have the ability to adapt his methods to suit the club and players he's managing. Also proves he was totally unsuited to manage a club of United's stature from the outset.

The badge on his blazer changed but in his head noting else did. I dread to think what would have became of United had he been given a few years in the job.



Still sucking up to the press as well i see to ensure they don't give him a rough time if he ever gets another job in england.
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Don't really blame the guy for putting up a defensive barrier around what happened. That's a natural defence.

However it does suggest the guy fails to appreciate exactly how bad last season was. If losing a whopping third of your league games isn't failure, then it simply shows a fundamental difference in level between him and us. At United, that's failure.
 
Don't see much wrong with the interview. I don't blame him for wanting another job. He was hardly going to come out and say he fecked it all up. He didn't blame the players at all.

He is wrong of course about saying he deserved time. Any top club in the world does not offer time as a luxury. Utd should not be any different.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Don't see much wrong with the interview. I don't blame him for wanting another job. He was hardly going to come out and say he fecked it all up. He didn't blame the players at all.

He is wrong of course about saying he deserved time. Any top club in the world does not offer time as a luxury. Utd should not be any different.
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The only time we'll find out what the players really thought of him will be when Rio comes out with his book later this year.
 
OneUnited24 said:
The only time we'll find out what the players really thought of him will be when Rio comes out with his book later this year.
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I would on one hand love to hear the truth and it would be a hell of a read

But at the end of the day it probably does nobody any good. So I hope Rio doesn't go too far
 
Moyes and Pogba should get together and write a play or something on the evil tyranny that is Man Utd.
 
duffer said:
When he does get another job and they play United, what sort of reception will he get from the homes fans at Old Trafford?
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OT crowd always supported him. He'll get a decent reception, definitely a much better one than he got from Everton when he took United there.
 
Randall Flagg said:
I would on one hand love to hear the truth and it would be a hell of a read

But at the end of the day it probably does nobody any good. So I hope Rio doesn't go too far
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I honestly dont think he will spare any punches. Maybe its the cynic in me but i feel thats why Moyes mentioned the whole "play like Jagielka" thing, almost to get the first word in because its likely Rio will talk about it.

Whatever happens i wish moyes well going forward but when he talks about getting time at a big club after showing nothing last season makes me think the guy must really be disconnected from reality...
 
The bit that got me is when the interviewer made the point about Moyes insisting that the fee for the interview be paid to Darren Fletcher's charity much like he thought the money that the Moyes out plane should have done. It's a beautifully crafted propaganda piece. What an honest, humble chap Moyes is.
 
Not really related, but Moyes pandered to Rooney regarding him as somebody from another universe. Phil Neville part of the famed class of 92, and the doomed David Moyes coaching staff, suggested Rooney is worthy of a statue. What's Phil Neville been smoking recently?

I've only read the comments, so have they been taken out of context? Seems a crazy, crazy thing to say.
 
united_99 said:
OT crowd always supported him. He'll get a decent reception, definitely a much better one than he got from Everton when he took United there.
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Yes, he'll get a good reception. It's not like he set out to destroy us or acted the bastard in any way. Just wasn't up for the job.

The constant moaning to the press is disappointing, but understandable. Few people have the guts to admit they totally arsed up a job the way he did.
 
sammsky1 said:
The way he was sacked will forever be a stain on the supposed 'moral superiority' some of us believe we have.

I still think enough fans don't get how important SAF/Gill were and the values they exhibited as human beings. Simply put, no employee ever left our club in the circumstances Moyes did, not even Keane or Ruud who left under a serious cloud.

Great interview by Moyes and shows his character and class. I simply wish United fans would conclude he was not up for the job but stop the character assassination we see from some on this board. I don't see what yours did wrong apart from not being good enough .... There is no manager alive who would turn down this job, it's even more prestigious and seductive as playing for Real Madrid.

I think United fans should bury this hatchet with Moyes and now get behind him - it will never happen, but get him back at OT and give him an ovation for trying. That's what a classy club would do. Sadly I don't think we have that class any more.
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Good post.
But what do you mean by 'get him back at OT'?
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Not really related, but Moyes pandered to Rooney regarding him as somebody from another universe. Phil Neville part of the famed class of 92, and the doomed David Moyes coaching staff, suggested Rooney is worthy of a statue. What's Phil Neville been smoking recently?

I've only read the comments, so have they been taken out of context? Seems a crazy, crazy thing to say.
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Have a hard time believing that the quotes are genuine :

“There have been brilliant players who have played for Man United but you’re talking about all-time United greats – Law, Best, Charlton, Ferguson. And Giggs is in that category also.

“Denis Law, George Best, Bobby Charlton and Alex Ferguson all have statues already" and Neville believes Rooney can join that elite group if he works hard enough.
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No Sir Matt twice. The biggest United legend of all. Don't suppose Phil would leave his name out.
 
If Pellegrini or Mourinho had just arrived at City or Chelsea and had 200 Million to spend and only had Fellaini to show for it after the summer and then finished 7th....I'd be sure that they'd be possibly getting a lot more vitriol being aimed their way than Moyes got with us....

....Yet Dave still insists he needed more time! Priceless!
 
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Pexbo said:
The bit that got me is when the interviewer made the point about Moyes insisting that the fee for the interview be paid to Darren Fletcher's charity much like he thought the money that the Moyes out plane should have done. It's a beautifully crafted propaganda piece. What an honest, humble chap Moyes is.
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"Fee for the interview"???

Do UK newspapers actually pay a fee to get their interviews? That's unheard of in the US except for certain television interviewers like Barbara Walters and Oprah Winfrey.
 
If he doesn't think he was given time, he's in the wrong business. It was continually said during the season that no other club of this size would have put up with him all the way through to April.
 
This quote says it all:

‘We tried to bring players in during the summer transfer window but they didn’t materialise. It certainly wasn’t for the lack of trying. It wasn’t indecision. The complete opposite.

‘It’s been well documented that we wanted Fabregas, Bale and Ronaldo. There was talk of Ronaldo when I first arrived. We were close to getting a couple of major names. I’m not getting in a blame game here but things just didn’t materialise. I had taken over from the most successful manager in history. The chief executive had taken over from one of the most renowned administrators in the game [David Gill]. So it was a new job for two people.’

The naivety in thinking we'd be able to lure any of those three, let alone all of them is just staggering. The only way Ronaldo would come back would be if SAF were still the manager, or for a final payday at the end of his career. Bale was only ever going to go to Real (and good luck getting Levy to play ball with us.) Finally, Fabregas was perhaps obtainable, but not for anywhere near the fees we were offering. Meanwhile the likes of Thiago and Strootman were available at realistic fees (granted, I didn't know a thing about Strootman last summer, but those are paid to know.) The Fellaini/Baines dithering was the final example of Moyes' and/or Woodward's ineptitude.
 
I think people are being harsh criticizing him for being out of his depth. He thought he'd stick to methods he worked -- and frankly, that's been his bread and butter for decades. He can't reinvent himself overnight.

The problem was him being picked to do the job in the first place. That should never have happened.

It's a bit like buying a crap player and criticizing him for being crap.
 
zing said:
I think people are being harsh criticizing him for being out of his depth. He thought he'd stick to methods he worked -- and frankly, that's been his bread and butter for decades. He can't reinvent himself overnight.

The problem was him being picked to do the job in the first place. That should never have happened.

It's a bit like buying a crap player and criticizing him for being crap.
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I think we'll see the same thing at West Ham. The owners want Alardyce to play a more entertaining style; it's Big Sam FFS! This is the only style he knows, and to be fair, the style that's got him where he is. It's the same with Moyes: his style worked very well for a mid-table club, but was never going to work at United.
 
jem said:
This quote says it all:

‘We tried to bring players in during the summer transfer window but they didn’t materialise. It certainly wasn’t for the lack of trying. It wasn’t indecision. The complete opposite.

‘It’s been well documented that we wanted Fabregas, Bale and Ronaldo. There was talk of Ronaldo when I first arrived. We were close to getting a couple of major names. I’m not getting in a blame game here but things just didn’t materialise. I had taken over from the most successful manager in history. The chief executive had taken over from one of the most renowned administrators in the game [David Gill]. So it was a new job for two people.’

The naivety in thinking we'd be able to lure any of those three, let alone all of them is just staggering. The only way Ronaldo would come back would be if SAF were still the manager, or for a final payday at the end of his career. Bale was only ever going to go to Real (and good luck getting Levy to play ball with us.) Finally, Fabregas was perhaps obtainable, but not for anywhere near the fees we were offering. Meanwhile the likes of Thiago and Strootman were available at realistic fees (granted, I didn't know a thing about Strootman last summer, but those are paid to know.) The Fellaini/Baines dithering was the final example of Moyes' and/or Woodward's ineptitude.
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It's classic championship manager type behaviour.
He might as well have thrown in Messi to the list.
 
I wish he would feck off and stop talking about us. He failed miserably and wants to lay the blame everywhere but his own door. Seriously thinks he's far better than he is. Player recruitment this summer was made even more difficult by the fact that under him we failed to reach the CL.
 
Just a quick thought, possibly contentious. I wonder what will happen if he goes to another club - and fails there. Would people actually start thinking that maybe, just maybe, his abilities as a manager have consistently been overrated by his friends in the media? Because many on here would agree with that, as would a lot of Everton fans I know.
 
Erebus said:
Just a quick thought, possibly contentious. I wonder what will happen if he goes to another club - and fails there. Would people actually start thinking that maybe, just maybe, his abilities as a manager have consistently been overrated by his friends in the media? Because many on here would agree with that, as would a lot of Everton fans I know.
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Probably. What if he did really well?
 
sammsky1 said:
The way he was sacked will forever be a stain on the supposed 'moral superiority' some of us believe we have.

I still think enough fans don't get how important SAF/Gill were and the values they exhibited as human beings. Simply put, no employee ever left our club in the circumstances Moyes did, not even Keane or Ruud who left under a serious cloud.

Great interview by Moyes and shows his character and class. I simply wish United fans would conclude he was not up for the job but stop the character assassination we see from some on this board. I don't see what yours did wrong apart from not being good enough .... There is no manager alive who would turn down this job, it's even more prestigious and seductive as playing for Real Madrid.

I think United fans should bury this hatchet with Moyes and now get behind him - it will never happen, but get him back at OT and give him an ovation for trying. That's what a classy club would do. Sadly I don't think we have that class any more.
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We can still have a little moral superiority. He lasted 11 months despite it being pretty clear he wouldn't make the top 4 for about half that time.

I don't really get Moyes' issue. He must have known how bad things were. Impossible job or not, there is the fact that he let us slide from champions to not even in Europe. The fact that some journalists knew and got the word out a few hours beforehand just doesn't matter. He smacks of a person looking for someone to blame. It was probably the most stressful year of his life, so its understandable I suppose. Tiresome all the same.
 
He's a nice man who was out of depth, but also had little to no support from the owners and Woodward.
 
bishblaize said:
Don't really blame the guy for putting up a defensive barrier around what happened. That's a natural defence.
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Can't say i do either mate to be honest, it would be refreshing for a manager to hold their hands up and admit they made a balls of a job. But to be fair most of us would probably not do that either in the same situation.

bishblaize said:
However it does suggest the guy fails to appreciate exactly how bad last season was. If losing a whopping third of your league games isn't failure, then it simply shows a fundamental difference in level between him and us. At United, that's failure.
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Yeah he seems to still be in the denial stage. I think he was just at Everton for too long to shake off a mid table mind set perhaps, i think for him United finishing 4th-5th would have been a great season and he also probably would have been happy with scraping CL for a few years while he tore the team apart and created a more workmanlike side to suit his football.

I will give him some credit though in that article he admits he approached the job with the wrong mind set, and realizes it was probably not too clever to take a ridiculous 6 week holiday when he should have been preparing for the United job and working on transfers right after Everton's last match.

So i think he is slowly coming to the realization that a lot of what went wrong during his time at United was as a result of his own mistakes and not necessarily the world conspiring against him. Maybe one day he will admit it was mostly down to him that he messed up the United job.
 
Oh feck off Rene, we have enough on our hands to have to deal with your whining. Grow a pair and get back to coaching first teams. Stop leeching off of united for media attention.
 
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