Where do you expect us to finish this season?

Antisocial said:
Not sure right now that we can argue that we deserve to finish top four. The way we've been playing in the majority of games (basically all bar the two Bayer games and against Swansea) we don't deserve to be top four.

There's no divine right to finish top four - it has to be earned on the pitch for a club like ours. And right now a top four finish simply isn't being earned by Manchester United.

Arsenal are obviously playing well enough to deserve to finish in the top four. City and Chelsea deserve it because of how much money their owners have spent. That leaves one spot for the remaining teams to fight for - and we're not fighting. This is nothing like fighting for it.

I thought third before the season started - I'm tempted to adjust that, but let's wait until after Xmas.
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City and Chelsea deserve it because they can afford to buy it? Is that what you mean?
 
Moriarty said:
City and Chelsea deserve it because they can afford to buy it? Is that what you mean?
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Basically yes - the Premier League has enthusiastically welcomed the sugar daddies, probably more so than any other league (look for example at the amount of coverage or camera time owners or their representatives attending games get from Sky or whomever). It's a sugar daddy league. Money = success; bought and paid for. They have to mess up pretty impressively for the money they spend to result in finishing outside the top four. For the rest success has to be earned through the usual combination of fan support, hard work, re-investment, youth development, good management and a bit of luck. If the players on the pitch aren't fighting for a top four place then we're rather fecked.

Edit: Just to be clear, this is my take on the reality of the Premier League - not my vision for how I want it to be, or how I allocate merit to clubs like City or Chelsea.
 
We are only 5 points off 4th but the problem is we look more likely to drop points than the teams in the top 6 right now, I think getting a CL spot would be a good achievement at this juncture but I can't see it happening unless we get CM additions.
 
From Champions to serious challengers for the 4th place.

Thank god Moyes is the chosen one.
 
I expect us to finish outside the top 4 this season, unfortunately.
 
I think we won't make CL and if that happens I'd like us to be 7th or 8th rather than 5th so we don't have the distraction of Europa League next year.
 
Ideally 4th.

Realistically we may just miss out and be in 5th.
 
Based on the first 14 games, 6th or 7th.

Surely it can only get better.....
 
Glaston and Peterstorey have won. The Evertonization of us is reaching the mid-stages.
 
I still think it's too early for United supporters to panic. The way this season has been developing, this is the most competitive league competition in years. All teams will drop plenty of points before it's over and there's still a long way to go.

City have the best squad and still look the favorites to me. Arsenal have been impressive, but I wonder if they have enough in their tank to continue this form much longer. Even if those two look a good bet for the first and second place, there are still four-five more teams that can realistically finish in the top four, and United are in that group.
 
I suggested this last week and got laughed at but we won't finish in the top 4 this season.
 
antihenry said:
I still think it's too early for United supporters to panic. The way this season has been developing, this is the most competitive league competition in years. All teams will drop plenty of points before it's over and there's still a long way to go.

City have the best squad and still look the favorites to me. Arsenal have been impressive, but I wonder if they have enough in their tank to continue this form much longer. Even if those two look a good bet for the first and second place, there are still four-five more teams that can realistically finish in the top four, and United are in that group.
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Chelsea and City have regained some consistency lately and I think both of them as well as Arsenal are out of our reach. It'll be between us, Spurs and Liverpool for 4th and I reckon Liverpool are more consistent than us and will get more points against lesser sides.
 
We'll finish exactly where we are now because unfortunately this guy will be given a full season.
 
antihenry said:
I still think it's too early for United supporters to panic. The way this season has been developing, this is the most competitive league competition in years. All teams will drop plenty of points before it's over and there's still a long way to go.

City have the best squad and still look the favorites to me. Arsenal have been impressive, but I wonder if they have enough in their tank to continue this form much longer. Even if those two look a good bet for the first and second place, there are still four-five more teams that can realistically finish in the top four, and United are in that group.
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Thing is we dropped far too many points in what was supposed to be a run of 'winnable' games. Dropping points at the start was understandable because it was a tough start to the season for us. There's nothing about the way we are performing which will make anyone think we are capable of going on the run of wins that would be needed to challenge.
 
If Moyes finish 4th. Considering we had 6 teams above us firing in forms.

I'd say that'll take us 15 wins and 5 draws at least.

Do you honestly think we can achieve that? with the way we're playing? Heck if Moyes achieved that surely that'll one of the most interesting comeback in the history of football?

I understand if its a head to head point to catch up like we did with Arse back then, but this is 6 teams altogether, what are the odds 6 of them fails. I'd say slimer than an okamoto 0,01cm condom.
 
Liverpool are beating the bottom half of the table quite convincingly (the Hull game aside), they will most certainly pick up more points there than us. We just have to keep the gap to 4th place as small as possible and buy a couple of quality midfielders in January. Getting Van Persie back and firing is crucial though, as will be Moyes finally showing some bollocks and dropping the likes of Valencia and Welbeck.

Arsenal, City and Chelsea are out of reach. 4th is about the best we can hope for, and looking at the other teams, we're quite a bit behind. We have Newcastle, Villa, West Ham, Norwich and Hull in our next five. Seriously, if we can't get at very least 13 points from those I don't see how we even have a shot for 4th place, it doesn't get easier than this.
 
Sarni said:
Chelsea and City have regained some consistency lately and I think both of them as well as Arsenal are out of our reach. It'll be between us, Spurs and Liverpool for 4th and I reckon Liverpool are more consistent than us and will get more points against lesser sides.
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Maybe we have to take Everton more seriously as well. If they beat us at their ground, it will be difficult to overtake them too.
 
Antisocial said:
Basically yes - the Premier League has enthusiastically welcomed the sugar daddies, probably more so than any other league (look for example at the amount of coverage or camera time owners or their representatives attending games get from Sky or whomever). It's a sugar daddy league. Money = success; bought and paid for. They have to mess up pretty impressively for the money they spend to result in finishing outside the top four. For the rest success has to be earned through the usual combination of fan support, hard work, re-investment, youth development, good management and a bit of luck. If the players on the pitch aren't fighting for a top four place then we're rather fecked.

Edit: Just to be clear, this is my take on the reality of the Premier League - not my vision for how I want it to be, or how I allocate merit to clubs like City or Chelsea.
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Fair enough. I thought you'd gone mad for a minute back there. You know, I'd never thought much about the camera time given to the sugar daddies when City and Chavski are on the box, but it's an interesting observation. I'd laugh if City scored a blinder only for the cameras to miss it because they were focused on the sheik's mug.
 
Funny the hysteria that went on in here over the summer when some journos suggested we would struggle to make top 4. It's going to be very difficult to get now and the festive period is crucial as we have several 'winnable' games and we have to hope that others around us drop points.

This season was always going to be tough and not very enjoyable. But I must admit, it's going slightly worse than I had anticipated.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Funny the hysteria that went on in here over the summer when some journos suggested we would struggle to make top 4. It's going to be very difficult to get now and the festive period is crucial as we have several 'winnable' games and we have to hope that others around us drop points.

This season was always going to be tough and not very enjoyable. But I must admit, it's going slightly worse than I had anticipated.
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There's always journos banging on about us finishing outside the top four, so I suppose they'll have to get it right some time, even if it's the first time in around 10 years. I still think that it'd be a crime for this squad to finish outside the top four though. If that happens, well then I don't think taht Moyes is the right man to manage this club.
 
It will be a tight one this year. With the way things have gone so far I dont see us making the top four unless something drastic happens. Maybe attaching explosives to a players legs and telling him either its 100% or Kaboom !!!!
 
ItsEssexRob said:
This is where you go wrong, the team is not as good as you think it is, yes SAF changing is the major difference, but it wouldn't matter what manager you put in there it would always be a problem.
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Absolute bollocks. You haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. The squad is packed with quality. It desperately needs an identity and a manager that can work on the set up and system and bring it into the 21st century. The players are the least of the problems. The apparent deadwood isn't even on the pitch.
 
Sky1981 said:
If Moyes finish 4th. Considering we had 6 teams above us firing in forms.

I'd say that'll take us 15 wins and 5 draws at least.

Do you honestly think we can achieve that? with the way we're playing? Heck if Moyes achieved that surely that'll one of the most interesting comeback in the history of football?

I understand if its a head to head point to catch up like we did with Arse back then, but this is 6 teams altogether, what are the odds 6 of them fails. I'd say slimer than an okamoto 0,01cm condom.
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With Moyes we may acieve 5 victories and 15 draws to be fair.
 
I hope we can make top 4, that would be a major triumph all things considering... I actually now know what Arsenal fans probably feel like for the last near decade...

I hope Chelsea win the league between them City and Arse. City for obvious reasons and all Arsenal fans are getting so annoying now saying shit like "I bet RVP regrets leaving now". I want their barren run to continue until the end of time
 
Sky1981 said:
If Moyes finish 4th. Considering we had 6 teams above us firing in forms.

I'd say that'll take us 15 wins and 5 draws at least.

Do you honestly think we can achieve that? with the way we're playing? Heck if Moyes achieved that surely that'll one of the most interesting comeback in the history of football?

I understand if its a head to head point to catch up like we did with Arse back then, but this is 6 teams altogether, what are the odds 6 of them fails. I'd say slimer than an okamoto 0,01cm condom.
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Are these condoms really that thin, and where can you purchase them in England?
 
Kag said:
Absolute bollocks. You haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. The squad is packed with quality. It desperately needs an identity and a manager that can work on the set up and system and bring it into the 21st century. The players are the least of the problems. The apparent deadwood isn't even on the pitch.
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Keep telling yourself that until it becomes painfully clear its maybe not as true as you think. There is quality, theres some world class talent in Rooney RVP and DDG if he carries on improving, but there's also a fair bit of mediocrity too and it does not end with the midfield. A lot of the players are still playing on past glories and can put in good shows but they are few and far between. SAF was able to mask this and the top class talent were able to dig you out of holes time and time again for the past few seasons. You need real quality in midfield, on the wings and in defence.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Keep telling yourself that until it becomes painfully clear its maybe not as true as you think. There is quality, theres some world class talent in Rooney RVP and DDG if he carries on improving, but there's also a fair bit of mediocrity too and it does not end with the midfield. A lot of the players are still playing on past glories and can put in good shows but they are few and far between. SAF was able to mask this and the top class talent were able to dig you out of holes time and time again for the past few seasons. You need real quality in midfield, on the wings and in defence.
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Also not helped by Moyes's infuriating insistence on prioritising 'hard workers' over genuine talent and making the likes of Cardiff and Southampton look like Barcelona.
 
shaggy said:
Also not helped by Moyes's infuriating insistence on prioritising 'hard workers' over genuine talent and making the likes of Cardiff and Southampton look like Barcelona.
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Hence why he persists with Welbeck. A player that I thought was excellent in Uniteds opening game and then dropped off completely yet I was ridiculed before that for saying his profligacy made him an average prospect, now it seems to be the United fans who have turned against him and the new saviors are Kagawa, Nani, Janujaz and Rafael, all of which played some part last night and 2 of which started.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Hence why he persists with Welbeck. A player that I thought was excellent in Uniteds opening game and then dropped off completely yet I was ridiculed before that for saying his profligacy made him an average prospect, now it seems to be the United fans who have turned against him and the new saviors are Kagawa, Nani, Janujaz and Rafael, all of which played some part last night and 2 of which started.
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Kagawa played well first half and then for some reason Moyes decided to shunt him on the left and swap him with Welbeck. Rafael is just back from injury and was strangely taken off. Moyes seems to see Valencia + Welbeck > Nani, Kagawa + Januzaj and has never given Nani a chance to get some form back despite Valencia being gash for almost 2 years. A midfield of Welbeck, Valencia, Fellaini and Giggs is so uninspiring and unimaginative. Wouldn't mind seeing Welbeck go out on loan and play some minutes upfront as I do still think he has a future with us despite his poor performances recently.
 
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