No! I would like us to win every game this season and see where it takes us! I think we'll lose and as things stand it matters not what result we come away with but if we followed a win tomorrow up with 10 more it would be an immense result.
Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?
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Heavy defeats aren't the issue with Moyes. If we got tonked by Chelsea, City and Liverpool even more so (still could with the last two) but managed to beat the smaller teams convincingly like Arsenal. Things would be easier on Moyes. Course he needs to do more than just the timid tactics so far.
this thread seems to have gone horribly wrong.
I'm certainly having to do a lot more explaining than I thought I would! It's a simple enough concept, surely?
I really don't think so. The best connected journos with the club are under the strong impression we're prepared to give him more time even if we finish outside top 4, to build his own squad in the summer - my guess is Moyes has been told as much as he's clearly planning for the summer with his scouting trips etc. Fergie has also expressed this, with his and Bobby's influence it's near impossible to see a sacking this soon, maybe after 2/3 full years of failure.
I don't believe the departure is inevitable, though. I think it's clear we're planning for Moyes to get the squad how he wants it in the summer (I strongly fancy him to weaken it to be honest), and we know top 4 has gone at this point, whether he does decent or shite from now til the end of the season I don't think is going to make a major difference to our current stance that he will be given time.
That strikes me as lacking imagination. I remember 99, I watched our last league game of the season with a very good friend who supports Spurs. As a recap, if we won the game, we won the league. If we didnt, Arsenal probably would. My mate rooted for us, it made no real difference to their season one way or the other whether they won or lost. But if they won it handed Arsenal the title which he couldnt stomach.
In similar circumstances, replace Arsenal for Liverpool, say, and I can see myself feeling the same way he did.
witch quality of Moyes gives you all the impression that he can turn this miraculously around ?
maybe its his sideline clapping
Can you imagine how vigorously Moyes will celebrate if we beat Arsenal away. After his display against Fulham at home I can only imagine that it might not actually be good for his health.
I've said for a few weeks now, if we play well and start looking like a team with creativity, fluidity and look threatening going forward etc, then a defeat would be almost bearable. Whilst there is nothing to suggest we will play well, that is where it hurts. Any sign of progress, other than banging it out to the wings to cross it aimlessly into the box, would be most welcome.
I still don't ever want to see United lose, especially to AFC.
I still don't ever want to see United lose, especially to AFC.
After the OP was posed in the newbies, we've so far had one person say they'd take the loss if it meant Moyes departure.
edit: two.
edit: two.
Seriously Pogue?
Does the OP think some people oppose Moyes more than they support United?
Was thinking about this exact thread today.
Will be interesting to see.
You obviously ALWAYS have to back United, or that's my opinion anyway - though it's valid for some to think they're doing whats in the best interest of the club by getting rid of Moyes. I'm not here to judge.
I think this is actually a decent thread, I'll openly admit.. I wouldn't mind losing if it meant a manager like Guardiola/Mourinho were taking over the next day. For me, the greater good of the team I support is more important to me than one result and loyalty to the man in charge.
If it could be guaranteed through some deal with the devil that losing tomorrow meant we would get a new manager or it would be the turning point for Moyes and we'd go on to win two CL's in the following two years, I'd take it.. what is one loss in the long run of things.
If it could be guaranteed through some deal with the devil that losing tomorrow meant we would get a new manager or it would be the turning point for Moyes and we'd go on to win two CL's in the following two years, I'd take it.. what is one loss in the long run of things.
As many have pointed out, Moyes is to stay even if we lose 5-0, so I hope we end the Gooner's title chances tomorrow.
Its not that though is it? Its a short term pain, long term gain situation. Or that is how it would be perceived by someone who said yes to it.
Its irrational to want your team to win or even draw in a football match if you dont think you have the right manager longterm. The players and staff putting in hard work, people paying for tickets, etc. none of that matters. All that matters is that you are right. Apparently. And if your team getting thrashed proved you are right then get in!
This thread is hilarious.
Come on now. Surely you get the concept of short term pain, long term gain?
What's wrong with wanting us to lose one game of football (or even several) if you think that would benefit the club in the long term?
It's not as though we have much to play for. Not a hope in hell of 4th place IMO. Who gives a toss about the Europa League?
I'm going to have to wake up at 3am+ to watch this. Why would I want to spoil my sleep to watch united get trashed. I can't be bothered about moyes, I just want to see some nice football by united. I don't even care if we get all 3 points or not as it doesn't really matter now anyway. Hopefully some improvement in the way we play would be nice.
Stay in bed!
Its not about being right, it is about wanting your club to be successful in the long run. I'm sure that if you asked majority of united fans if they'd rather we win and Moyes could go on to prove he is the right man, they'd 100% pick that option. But if it is clear things are not working out, not saying we've got to that stage but hypothetically .. I don't see what is wrong with it.
I mean, this bit here is just an absolute classic really.
Clearly he's the only one being honest here and the rest of us are a bunch of outright liars by not saying that same thing. You know, saying you don't want your club to ... lose a football match, against one of your biggest rivals. I mean, the absolute nerve...
There's nothing irrational about wanting to see Moyes leave and wanting us to win tomorrow. Who wouldn't want us to beat Arsenal? I actually find it hard to believe there is anyone who actually supports United that would want to see us lose. If Ireland were playing England with Steve Staunton in charge you want us to win, buy my god you'd hardly still want him to continue in the job. These fixtures against our rivals are different, nothing matters but the game and I will forget about everything else until it's over; but when the dust settles, win or lose, Moyes has done an extremely poor job so far and unless we see a major change in approach tomorrow I'll still need convincing that he's up to the job.
Yeah, you've missed the point completely there. Poor effort. 5/10.
The fact that you are only human, could be wrong and could be getting excited about the club falling apart? Moyes is having a really bad time but theres no guarantee that someone else will do much better.
I honestly don't think anybody should be questioning their allegiance to United if they want United to lose this particular game in this particular circumstance when they are looking at the grand scheme of things and I firmly believe that the longer Moyes is here, the further he'll drag us down. We need to be ruthless quickly.
That said, I would only be for us losing with consummate ease if Moyes position was absolutely, unequivocally over. Seeing as we can't be certain of that and given the clubs stance over Moyes since his arrival I want us to win, because he just isn't going to get sacked.
That said, I would only be for us losing with consummate ease if Moyes position was absolutely, unequivocally over. Seeing as we can't be certain of that and given the clubs stance over Moyes since his arrival I want us to win, because he just isn't going to get sacked.
That only works if there's a direct correlation between one result and the appointment of a new, and better manager. As Pogue mentioned the term irrational, I'll make the point that there's no rationale for believing that there is such a connection.
This thread..
No its 100% about being right.
Else you'd hope that you are wrong, not that Moyes is wrong and gets a thrashing for it
Can a (heavy) loss be a win?
I think we just put this thread to bed.
Yes its true that isnt explicit in the OP and there is no way of actually knowing a spanking tomorrow will bring about Moyes' departure. It would probably work better if that was explicit.
Seriously contemplating this.
regardless of the match i hope i get spanked tomorrow night.
Why? People find it funny, it has got nearly 200 responses in an hour and a half, this thread is doing its job.
It would be a fecking weird feeling, I agree. I certainly wouldn't watch the game. I could definitely see myself getting to a point where I wanted a dead duck manager put out of his misery though. If that meant losing some games in a season where we've not much left to play for, then so be it. I'd just have to tune out, mentally, until it was over.
Yes, whenever I watch England.. and they put the likes of James Milner in, i'm praying we lose because for the greater good of the team.. I don't want us to play shite negative football and scrape to wins during qualification (and watch our media build the team up) when I know in the long run when it comes to Euro's or the World cup, we're going to get our arses handed to us on a plate. The bigger picture is more important in my opinion, each to their own I suppose.
It is not about being right, it is about caring for the team because you don't want the team to fail or you're tired of watching uninspiring football in which you don't see any potential.
Na, no point. Even if we lost, he is going nowhere. Only a spanking against Olympiakos will get him close to sacking.
This.