1. Taking genuine and regular relegation fodder and getting them up the league and genuinely improving them. He had some money to spend and spent it well on players who have improved the team massively, some of whom have been sold on for big money. Martinez is doing well - with a squad built by Moyes and his team.
Yes, and he's doing shit with the squad build by SAF
2. I dont see your point. The criticism was that he only signed one player, from his old club. My point was that he wanted other, better players. Whatever happened clearly there must have been some inclination that Fabregas might be interested. Whatever happened, he stayed, but the points stands.
The point is, he's asking for unrealistic target, by which he should have known better the possibility of it happening is virtually close to impossible, and if he uses that as excuse, it will only shown his inept. All manager wanted better player, can Martinez blame the board if he wanted Ronaldo/Messi and can't get them?
3. and 4. - I dont know what you're referring to.
The board back him up, he could have bought Herrera, I'm sure 2-3M difference compared to what he spent on Fellaini won't make much difference, he consiously chose to spunk the money on Fellaini, instead of Herrera. While we will never know if Herrera can cut it, Moyes should know that Felainni will flop.
5. Again, how is this down to Moyes? The manager identifies the players and the relevant people at the club act. As it stands in this instance, was it not the fact that Madrid couldnt bring their chosen repalcement in time that meant it didnt go through?
He identifies unrealistic target, if only Gill was around, he'll told him to feck Off instead of going to Madrid with only his dick. How naive to think that Moyes is that clueless that he doesn't know how much he has to spend? and how naive it is to think that he genuinely thinks he can get Fabregas for 25M, and how naive it is for him to think that Fabregas would want to ditch Barca to play under him.
Not sure what your point is to be honest. A lot of people seem to have an axe to grind with Moyes and I'm not sure why. He's not been given the tools to do his job properly by the board. He has, as to be expected, made mistakes, tactically and otherwise - but he's in a new job, probably the hardest job in football, so that was always going to happen.
My point is, he dig everything on his own, and it shouldn't be used as excuses, instead it only shows how out of depth he is when he finally got the financial backing we all use as an excuse for his stagnating Everton.
He has been a given a title winning squad, Saha , Januzaj, and 30M to spend. I don't think he's not given the tools to do his job, probably not a lavish tool compared to Madrid, but surely he has been given the tools.
I'm sick of people peddling that it's hardest job, it is not. Getting us to dominate for 10 years on is hardest job, getting us 4th is not the hardest job, it is the minimum requirement. If he don't have the capacity to oversee things from a-z, he should let Rene manages some and focus on getting his tactics right.
Generally some bizarre attitudes on here. Some expecting a manager to come in and work with what the old manager left in terms of staff - seems to me like they just want Moyes to come in and try to be Fergie clone - which clearly isnt going to work and would likely end iin disaster.
Dude, manager come and manager go. Everywhere in the world nobody are expected to raze everything to ground and start with a fresh 11. SAF did that because he's been here for 26 years. When he first came, he make use of what is given to him.
So now we can't judge moyes till he fill bought and field 11 new starters? By your rationale, the only manager we can judge is SAF and Wenger. The rest are playing with someone else's squad.
Like I said, people have to accept that Fergie is gone - and he seems to have left at the right time, probably well aware of the shortcomings in the squad and the need to rebuild.
We all accept that, we just can't accept that he chooses an inept out of his depth win nothing won nothing against the top 4 david midtable moyes as his successor.
What some fans seem to want is a knee jerk reaction and see the manager sacked - as if its a given that another manager will come in and make this squad title challengers again. For me that isnt going to happen - too little quality, too many players edging over the hill, top players not adequately replaced over years - all adds up to where we are now - not a new manager coming in.
wake up. 6mths, out of the FA, beaten 4 times at homes, recently beaten by Sunder'fecking'land of all teams, playing continuous clueless football, this is not a knee jerk. We don't have the quality to win CL/EPL, but we do have the quality to beat the likes of Cardiff, Sunderland, Southampton, Swansea
I can understand if we can't seem to win against the top 4, but we're beaten right left center. You tell me if we're too shit to even match and win against Sunderland??
Moyes can't be judged yet - he needs time and the chance to bring in the players he needs to build a side. He may not prove to be the right man, but having given him the job the board needs to give him the opportunity.
