I do not know of any connections between Rene and Van Gaal. I think people are just assuming they would want to work together since they are both Dutch.
Why did Moyes get rid of our backroom team in favour of Evertons?
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I do not know of any connections between Rene and Van Gaal. I think people are just assuming they would want to work together since they are both Dutch.
Don't make me bump 'the thread'.
Two years later...
This still irks me to this day, clown was so out of his depth...
Yeah that was proper idiotic. You basically join a club with the world class set up and decide to replace them with people from Everton.
He could have been our next saf and we fooked it by being madrid-esque and getting all trigger happy. He had Everton at their max with limited resources, look at Martinez Koemen et al now.
At least we gave it to Giggsy till end of the season. He'll be ready for when this Mourinho clown ultimately fails.
Was a bit bored soz
At least we gave it to Giggsy till end of the season. He'll be ready for when this Mourinho clown ultimately fails.
Was a bit bored soz
He did it because he wanted his yes men around him.
It's like buying a Porsche and replacing the engine with one from a Reliant Robin.
Yeah but you knew the Reliant had a full service history, was a no brainier!
Yep that and he was probably too insecure to work with coaches who were more successful than he was.
Still haunts me to this day
Fecking Jimmy Lumsden. What does he even do?
I don't really get this, pretty much any manager will bring in their own team. As shown with Giggs under LvG a token appointment if someone outside the inner circle doesn't help either as they don't have the managers trust. Moyes would have flunked it whoever he had alongside him.
Still haunts me to this day
It really is a dreadful photo. I understand a manager has a right to bring in his own people, but if they're your people...
I've never bought into this argument. Whoever was to come in and replace Ferguson was fully within their rights to bring in their own men. In Moyes' case, he and his crew were fecking rubbish, but the point still stands.
Moyes needed his own men around him that he could trust - and that extends to any manager past or present.
Moyes needed his own men around him that he could trust - and that extends to any manager past or present.
I really doubt it had any bearing on how dreadful we were. A polished turd is still a turd etc.
I looked at this and was hunting for the white text!
That is because managers mostly come to struggling sides and are expected to make changes. It's rare that managers are appointed by sides who have just enjoyed 20 years of success.
Still haunts me to this day
Poor Jimmy they didn't even though who he was, didn't even get initials on his shirt.
While i do think he made a mistake discarding SAF's staff. To be fair yes that is true, Phelan and Rene probably wouldn't have been able to halt the train wreck of a season we had to endure under Dave.
Probably not. By the last few years of SAF's tenure here, Phelan and Rene in particular were pretty much coaching the club whereas SAF was more of an overseer and a manager. Under Moyes, who was much more hands-on than SAF was, I doubt Phelan and Rene would've had as much room to operate and so I don't think they would've been able to save anything that season.
Moyes was and would've been a disaster regardless of the staff he had working with him. He could've had the ghosts of Shankly and Busby as his assistants and it still would've blown up.
One of the better posts in this thread. There's been a spectacular U-turn from many on this subject after initially backing Moyes. I remember Muelensteen getting abuse after making comments about Moyes after he's been given the bullet.
But on the other hand, Fergie's backroom staff should've known the state of the squad better than Moyes and his men. They could have pointed out which players were good and which weren't, and which ones needed to be replaced
This is entirely on sir Alex or whoever was responsible or hiring Moyes. When you hire a manager, you hire a team of coaches. If we knew his team was outright mediocre, we should've looked at other managers with a better team of coaches.
Sir Alex tried to shirk the blame but to me he was the one who hired Moyes, lumsden etc.
Sir Alex tried to shirk the blame but to me he was the one who hired Moyes, lumsden etc.
Have any of the Moyes gang followed him on to his subsequent jobs? Round was still appearing on SSN when Moyes had moved to Spain with a new assistant (some Scot I think?) and I think he's involved with Aston Villa or somewhere now, P. Nev went to Valencia and is now on the punditry circuit repeating his brother's views, Chris Woods was the best of the lot from what we could see when they were at United and is now coaching at West Ham, and feck knows what Jimmy is doing with himself these days.
Odd if Moyes selected them to come here, but after the failure of the regime hasn't called on them since then.
Odd if Moyes selected them to come here, but after the failure of the regime hasn't called on them since then.
It was a poison chalice. Nobody would have succeeded after Fergie.
Moyes did worse than he should have done, but Manchester United was not a football club that anybody else in the game had the experience or stature to manage. In terms of playing style, the transition to Moyes should have been easier than with almost any other manager, but that was only a fraction of the job at the time.
It's taken 3 years for SAF's shadow to melt away, but even now Mourinho is battling to instil an identity into the club. I can't hate Moyes for trying and failing at an impossible job.
It's also unfair how all the mistakes that Woodward made in the transfer market are suddenly being attributed to Moyes, purely because it's been decided that Woodward is now a good guy.
Moyes did worse than he should have done, but Manchester United was not a football club that anybody else in the game had the experience or stature to manage. In terms of playing style, the transition to Moyes should have been easier than with almost any other manager, but that was only a fraction of the job at the time.
It's taken 3 years for SAF's shadow to melt away, but even now Mourinho is battling to instil an identity into the club. I can't hate Moyes for trying and failing at an impossible job.
It's also unfair how all the mistakes that Woodward made in the transfer market are suddenly being attributed to Moyes, purely because it's been decided that Woodward is now a good guy.
What makes you conclusively sure that Woodward was to blame for anything, as opposed to Dithering Dave and his silly targets?
Disagree, players like Rio, Vida, Patrice etc were clearly on their way out looking back with hindsight. But imagine if Moyes replaced them straight after coming in, replacing a squad of reigning league champions, he was in a no win situation really. That season went the way it was always going to go I'm afraid, but we were so accustomed to winning that we couldn't comprehend the transition process.
Because that's not how our transfer negotiations work. Moyes' input was minimal beyond identifying targets. Just as LvG's and Mourinho's has been.
It should be 'Dithering Ed'. But if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
That has to be the biggest bs accepted as a fact by some here.
Yeah but Dave was already labelled a ditherer by Everton fans.
LvG also failed, and he was the antithesis of Moyes.
I believe if the right manager came in (even with his own team) it would have been possible to have a won a title or two... I don't think we were destined to fail. The fact he got rid of a working team just amplified the damage that he was set to inflict on us that season...
I don't even think it's controversial, he wasn't good enough. Most of us knew it, some of us hoped we were wrong. So why anyone would have thought his team was good enough confuses me to this day.....
And merry xmas.
I don't even think it's controversial, he wasn't good enough. Most of us knew it, some of us hoped we were wrong. So why anyone would have thought his team was good enough confuses me to this day.....
And merry xmas.
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Steve round still has a good rep in the game
DeGea said he loved working with Chris woods
Jimmy...ummmm..makes a good cuppa tea
DeGea said he loved working with Chris woods
Jimmy...ummmm..makes a good cuppa tea
I wonder what else Ed could have done with some of the deals.
Bale simply didn't want to come, we'd bid the highest, and Fabregas was off the second they changed manager.
The Ronaldo one was the pure fantasy though. Slightest chance if Fergie had remained, but no chance with Moyes
I think Mourinho at that time would have been the only guy who would have had the arrogance to believe he could do better!
Noone could possibly have done worse than Moyes with that squad.
7th, and seemingly losing every home game record we'd ever set.
oh don't remind me.You were totally correct asking this question. I can relate to the feeling players must have had when these incompetent charlatans took over the place. Any player in our squad had more experience of working with a big club. What a step backwards. What about that story Giggsy told about Moyes reading leadership books as to try to improve on such bullshit. Just unreal SHIT. The fact that he's been our manager makes it SAF biggest mistake - one that almost erased our club.
We all knew he would be shit. I still can't believe they didn't give it to Mourinho in 2014.
And Moyes putting the blame on everyone but himself... seriously, you were out of your depth mate. Anyone who knows anything about football could see that from Day 1... So why is it the greatest manager of all time couldn't? I guess Ferguson saw similarities in himself. Both Scottish, both "loyal", etc. Thats about where it ends.
The only good thing Moyes did was buy Mata. And he had Januzaj playing amazing.
And Moyes putting the blame on everyone but himself... seriously, you were out of your depth mate. Anyone who knows anything about football could see that from Day 1... So why is it the greatest manager of all time couldn't? I guess Ferguson saw similarities in himself. Both Scottish, both "loyal", etc. Thats about where it ends.
The only good thing Moyes did was buy Mata. And he had Januzaj playing amazing.