Why so much hate for Pogba?

ti vu said:
What if it would be silent domination for English golden boy. When he perform badly and dropped, questions regarding him would take all over press conference? Sound familiar? You would be naive to think Kane even as United player would get the same amount of backlash as a foreigner
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Obviously the English media will favour native players over foreign ones. In which country wouldn't they?
 
witchtrials said:
Oh, it's definitely valid to criticise his performances and I definitely think he has room for improvement. But I also think that some people are more receptive to this line of criticism because of Big Ron-style stereotypes about lazy black footballers. I don't think it's particularly extreme in the case of Pogba, but I think that as a black player there is (on average) a bit of a higher bar if you don't want this kind of criticism levelled at you. Probably not as bad as in the past, but it's still there.
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Fair enough thanks
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Obviously the English media will favour native players over foreign ones. In which country wouldn't they?
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Favoring is one thing. To turn a blind eye is another problem (see English captains priviledge). Compare to other so called too league, it's not the same. English media is borderlining a religion toward their golden boys when at the same time sticking knife in other players even at tiniest exploit.
 
Is he not still the most expensive player in our league? .. and is the highest profile PL player on social media currently? while playing for the most popular (supported) club in world football, It would be a bit odd if there wasn't a lot of talk about him. Another issue is once one media pundit is brave enough to say he's not lived up to the price tag/expectations, more feel comfortable and a snowball discussion gathers into an avalanche.
 
edgar allan said:
Opposition fans hate on our top players just like we do on there's. Used to be Keane, scholes and Beckham.
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Maybe its this social media generation but those players got respect at the end of the day from the fans for what they did on the pitch. Becks had it bad after the world cup 98 red card but that subsided eventually. United fans despised Vieria but we respected him. There's no respect whatsoever for Pogba, just pure hate.
 
ti vu said:
Favoring is one thing. To turn a blind eye is another problem (see English captains priviledge). Compare to other so called too league, it's not the same. English media is borderlining a religion toward their golden boys when at the same time sticking knife in other players even at tiniest exploit.
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What you say about Lukaku makes little sense, in this article they compare him unfavourable mostly against other foreign players.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-record-is-a-big-issue-for-manchester-united

Ever heard anyone criticise Aguero? Thiery Henry? The reason being that they consistently show(ed) a very high level. Those are the breaks in the cut throat world of top level professional sport.
 
Loublaze said:
Maybe its this social media generation but those players got respect at the end of the day from the fans for what they did on the pitch. Becks had it bad after the world cup 98 red card but that subsided eventually. United fans despised Vieria but we respected him. There's no respect whatsoever for Pogba, just pure hate.
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I don't see any difference in the reaction to Pogba now and Vierra then. The respect came retrospectively.
 
Transfer fee. Just like Gareth Bale.

Way he promotes himself off the field on social media rubs a few up the wrong way aswell I suspect.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Is he not still the most expensive player in our league? .. and is the highest profile PL player on social media currently? while playing for the most popular (supported) club in world football, It would be a bit odd if there wasn't a lot of talk about him. Another issue is once one media pundit is brave enough to say he's not lived up to the price tag/expectations, more feel comfortable and a snowball discussion gathers into an avalanche.
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He is most expensive in the league sure. Him singled out to be needed to be judged on his price tag? There are many who should be. I meant this league having bunch of record holder fee for defenders. Not any of them truly deliver performance justifying their price tag. Where is the constant backlash?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
What you say about Lukaku makes little sense, in this article they compare him unfavourable mostly against other foreign players.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-record-is-a-big-issue-for-manchester-united

Ever heard anyone criticise Aguero? Thiery Henry? The reason being that they consistently show(ed) a very high level. Those are the breaks in the cut throat world of top level professional sport.
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Thierry Henry was the hipster choice for Arsenal to fight against the Devil of Manchester. Arsenal players were looked in better light. Ashley Cole got backlash when he moved out and with time &a hindsight his decision is understandable. Aguero never been in team of the season even when he was at his best and carried City! He didn't get oberboard criticism but he did not receive the applauding his quality should have.

The critism on Andy Cole was also OTT when his English peers ain't much better when you're to judge player with context of expectation, competitions.
 
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edgar allan said:
I don't see any difference in the reaction to Pogba now and Vierra then. The respect came retrospectively.
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I feel Pogba draws the ire of opposition fans way more. Shit, even the pundits dig into him relentlessly. None of the players you mentioned where subject to such constant and intense scrutiny on all fronts (on and off the pitch). Sterling faces this as well across the street at City. It doesn't matter what Pogba is doing, its always going to be wrong in the eyes of some people.
 
He was supposed to be the best all round midfield player in the world by now, and he’s nowhere near. That’s why there’s hate.
 
ti vu said:
Thierry Henry was the hipster choice for Arsenal to fight against the Devil of Manchester. Aguero never been in team of the season even when he was at his best and carried City! The critism on Andy Cole was also OTT when his English peers ain't much better when you're to judge player with context of expectation, competitions.
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Your first claim is frankly ridiculous. Henry wasn't criticised because he was brilliant, you can't criticise someone doing their job extremely well. The team of the season is voted for by the players. 69.2% of those players were foreign at the last count. Perhaps Andy Cole could have played more for England but Shearer was a comfortably superior number 9 at the time and Ian Wright was in the mix too.
 
Loublaze said:
I feel Pogba draws the ire of opposition fans way more. Shit, even the pundits dig into him relentlessly. None of the players you mentioned where subject to such constant and intense scrutiny on all fronts (on and off the pitch). Sterling faces this as well across the street at City. It doesn't matter what Pogba is doing, its always going to be wrong in the eyes of some people.
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That is true but then it is a different time now with the publicity of social media.
Pogba courts publicity off the pitch, he makes more money from this publicity. Comes with the territory.
 
Remember that Liverpool game a few years back. That Pogba emoji that was released pre game and then all he does during the match is give away a penalty for handball.

Edit: He does though get a very bad press at times notably from Souness who seems to hate him with a passion.

I would say the top level player who gets the worst criticism year in year out remains Sterling.
 
edgar allan said:
That is true but then it is a different time now with the publicity of social media.
Pogba courts publicity off the pitch, he makes more money from this publicity. Comes with the territory.
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This. 100%
 
Arbitrium said:
He was supposed to be the best all round midfield player in the world by now, and he’s nowhere near. That’s why there’s hate.
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Been there, done that with Balotelli, so no surprise: descending footballing trajectory after a thunderous start, avid agent creating attrition, off-the-pitch self-aggrandising attitude. Of course, envy from the raging plebs also plays a role here, these are young, clever boys living a highstyle life in public without committing to the implied rules of modesty and self deprecation.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Your first claim is frankly ridiculous. Henry wasn't criticised because he was brilliant, you can't criticise someone doing their job extremely well. The team of the season is voted for by the players. 69.2% of those players were foreign at the last count. Perhaps Andy Cole could have played more for England but Shearer was a comfortably superior number 9 at the time and Ian Wright was in the mix too.
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I don't claim we should criticize Henry or anything. I edited my post a bit adding to what I meant with English media. They has a favorite team and players in that team can do little wrong. Henry while IMO deserved every bit of his reputation does have weaknesses, his style is more tailored to counter attack no against packed defense, he can be found desiring a partner inside the box occupying the defenders. He made up for it in other areas, but the Arsenal team was not truly complete. It was not touched by these Arsenal love in pundits.

The players don't exactly follow other games that much. They are likely influenced by the narrative in the media. Look at those over the year, some players ain't that impressive to make it yet for the that many of their peers to choose them (stupid voting system: voting around mid season) is any but influence from the media.

Bepi said:
Been there, done that with Balotelli, so no surprise: descending footballing trajectory after a thunderous start, avid agent creating attrition, off-the-pitch self-aggrandising attitude. Of course, envy from the raging plebs also plays a role here, these are young, clever boys living a highstyle life in public without committing to the implied rules of modesty and self deprecation.
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Balottelli comparison is lazy. Balotelli clearly has problem follow instructions, not just performance issue. Problem is it seems like people use one imagine and copy paste to other young players who try express themselves socially but still obedient when it comes to football matter.
 
Bepi said:
Been there, done that with Balotelli, so no surprise: descending footballing trajectory after a thunderous start, avid agent creating attrition, off-the-pitch self-aggrandising attitude. Of course, envy from the raging plebs also plays a role here, these are young, clever boys living a highstyle life in public without committing to the implied rules of modesty and self deprecation.
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Dunno what is clever about them.

Don't know if I want to put Balotelli and Pogba in one basket, but if I do I would say both lack self reflection. See Pogba's comments about him being criticized for not scoring when playing like Iniesta, when it's actually him being criticized for playing like a drunken 50-years-old Iniesta with one leg.
 
Nothing to do with many of the reasons in here. He doesn't live up to the hype, and most of that hype didn't come from the media but they and many others expect him to live up to it more than he does. Gets basics wrong sometimes and overplays in key positions which highlights his faults.

Like us on here throughout the season..we know he can be better and looks great when he is, which leaves some bewilderment when he's miles off that.
He puts himself in the spotlight plenty, which doesn't help. Whether that's right or wrong, it makes him more noticeable.
 
el3mel said:
For the media, it's price tag, haircuts and life style in general.

For United fans, it's his inconsistency on the pitch.
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pretty much.

ti vu said:
I don't claim we should criticize Henry or anything. I edited my post a bit adding to what I meant with English media. They has a favorite team and players in that team can do little wrong. Henry while IMO deserved every bit of his reputation does have weaknesses, his style is more tailored to counter attack no against packed defense, he can be found desiring a partner inside the box occupying the defenders. He made up for it in other areas, but the Arsenal team was not truly complete. It was not touched by these Arsenal love in pundits.

The players don't exactly follow other games that much. They are likely influenced by the narrative in the media. Look at those over the year, some players ain't that impressive to make it yet for the that many of their peers to choose them (stupid voting system: voting around mid season) is any but influence from the media.



Balottelli comparison is lazy. Balotelli clearly has problem follow instructions, not just performance issue. Problem is it seems like people use one imagine and copy paste to other young players who try express themselves socially but still obedient when it comes to football matter.
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Why would they ever focus on Henry's weaknesses when he is PFA and FWA player of the year every season, top scorer and top assister? He operated at the highest level every season. Its like focusing on Bergkamp's lack of pace. Its rarely relevant in any footballing conversation with them because they bring too much game to the table.
 
Stacks said:
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Why would they ever focus on Henry's weaknesses when he is PFA and FWA player of the year every season, top scorer and top assister? He operated at the highest level every season. Its like focusing on Bergkamp's lack of pace. Its rarely relevant in any footballing conversation with them because they bring too much game to the table.
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You missed the point. The other poster brought up Henry Aguero as foreigners who are appreciated. I pointed out Aguero is not celebrated as much as he deserved. Henry got what he deserved as for he played for Arsenal. For different clubs, he may not get downplayed but people would be more eager to talk about what needs to be improved. Ronaldo can be an example. He received less appreciation from opposition's fans when he played for us than his time at Madrid.

In another word England has a talent in the same mold of those players the hype is much more. They're discriminated, appreciated based on which clubs they play for too.
 
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Stacks said:
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Why would they ever focus on Henry's weaknesses when he is PFA and FWA player of the year every season, top scorer and top assister? He operated at the highest level every season. Its like focusing on Bergkamp's lack of pace. Its rarely relevant in any footballing conversation with them because they bring too much game to the table.
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We have far more inconsistent players than Pogba....but yeah go with that
 
It's due to frustration imo. People know how good he could be, but comments like he's been coming out with recently seem to suggest he has no clue. Especially when the likes of Aaron Mooy are outperforming him.
 
Its not hate, people just can't make up their mind about him.
I've never seen a player compared to so many contemporaries that are nothing like each other.
Its either Kante, Modric, Kroos, Vieira, Scholes etc. He should keep it simple yet dominate with his skills, he should learn to be more disciplined yet should use his power to make runs beyond the attackers.
I've never seen anything like it.
 
cyberman said:
Its not hate, people just can't make up their mind about him.
I've never seen a player compared to so many contemporaries that are nothing like each other.
Its either Kante, Modric, Kroos, Vieira, Scholes etc. He should keep it simple yet dominate with his skills, he should learn to be more disciplined yet should use his power to make runs beyond the attackers.
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He should learn when to keep it simple and when to take the risk, something that he seems to be missing.
 
Some people just think others should live and act a certain way. Personally I love the guy and fully expect him to flourish at United, his quality is not in doubt, just a matter of time IMO.
 
el3mel said:
He should learn when to keep it simple and when to take the risk, something that he seems to be missing.
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But its a risk either way. Its judgement based on hindsight, he was right to try it when he's successful but he's out of order when he fails.
That mindset will end up stifling him if its followed through. Zidane was the greatest of that ilk of all time yet he never found the consistency throughout a season. You take the good with the bad with that style of player imo.
 
cyberman said:
But its a risk either way. Its judgement based on hindsight, he was right to try it when he's successful but he's out of order when he fails.
That mindset will end up stifling him if its followed through. Zidane was the greatest of that ilk of all time yet he never found the consistency throughout a season. You take the good with the bad with that style of player imo.
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It's still a risk but with a higher rate of success. I mean if you have the full defense in your face or you're very far from the goal, it's really idiotic to try to take a shot. Chance of it entering the goal is 0%. You can shoot if you find a chance, not shoot from any position, similar to taking useless flicks and risking counters in the center of the pitch. You won't gain anything from this flick except the show. He needs to learn when to do and when not to do these.
 
Ultimately it boils down to everyone seeing the potential to become one of the greats and the frustration of him not showing that week in week out. He can be our Zidane but he's a long road away from showing that. So capable it's insane really and so rare......
 
el3mel said:
It's still a risk but with a higher rate of success. I mean if you have the full defense in your face or you're very far from the goal, it's really idiotic to try to take a shot. Chance of it entering the goal is 0%. You can shoot if you find a chance, not shoot from any position, similar to taking useless flicks and risking counters in the center of the pitch. You won't gain anything from this flick except the show. He needs to learn when to do and when not to do these.
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I'd love to see the stats on that. I don't think he takes that many long range shots on anymore to be honest.
I agree with the flicks but I'm sure he's fed up with creating space for the attackers only for the play to slow down and he gets the ball back with a packed defence in front of him.
If Pogba isn't creating space then it becomes very static, I think we'll appreciate Pogbas style a lot more with Fred and hopefully another top attacker being able to interplay with him instead of Pogba trying to hold onto the ball while Martial / Rashford stand gawking at him.
Then it becomes France v Australia when he's criticised for keeping it simple because the front three are offering feck all for him and it makes Paul look worse than how he's performing.
 
People or a large percentage of the viewing fan base who now have a multitude of platforms to air they're views create this collective anti pogba narrative and this golden age of media and journalism and sport just makes it the perfect storm for this sort of criticism which was easy for players to avoid during football I watched throughout my childhood.

He's under a new level of microscope and he doesn't resonate with your day to day English football fan. In fact he is detestable at times with his vanity etc. For example the recent griezman video debacle could you imagine someone doing that in a Roy Keane team.

He embodies a lot of what I see as immature and selfish and that's common now for almost every top player but no one moans or has a negative opinion if your winning and walking the walk.. he need and a big year next year but I won't be surprised if He steps up either. hes that good.

Him and lingards social media and celebrations and attitude irks me
 
It's fairly simple, it is because he plays for Manchester United and he cost 89 million pounds. When you cost that much, are one of the most recognisable stars of the game and play for Manchester United people cannot help but look for ways to hate.
 
edgar allan said:
So you are suggesting that football talent is related to IQ? Bound to be research to back that up?
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Probably,

Intelligence doesn't exist in a vacuum, its a spectrum, there are a variety of intelligence but they are intelligence al the same.
 
It's not hate just deserved criticism, he's over-endowed with footballing abilities, and has the physique to dominate/bully 99% of those that come into contact with him on the pitch, yet he regularly puts in under par performances for club and Country, and if that isn't bad enough he does a mighty good impression of somebody that doesn't actually give two shits about it most of the time as well.
 
1. Commentators and Pundits are coming from older generation. Pogba with his posts on social media and "playful" attitude seem to make them think if the guy isn't serious about football (I know several older fans who think the same, I rarely see younger fans complaining about it, in fact They love it). It triggers them. "Back in my day, footballers actually work hard, etc".
2. He's a Manchester United player so He makes headlines.
3. He hasn't performed in a way that people expect him to be. He has all the talents in the world and broke the world transfer record once but is still far away from consistent. That makes him an easy target for deserved and undeserved criticisms.
 
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