Wigan Athletic v Manchester United

Nonsense. There is no way it was a clear goalscoring opportunity. There were two defenders flying in at him and De Gea was on his way too. Foul, free kick and a yellow was bang on.

Rubbish analysis, but we'll return to that when I can get off my iPad and onto a MacBook, so I can dive into this properly.


Why a yellow card? There was nothing dangerous or reckless about the foul by Smalling. As far as fouls go, it was as harmless to the opposing player as it could possibly be. Yet he got booked for it and you agree with it. Why?
 
The Telegraph, which is not known to despise Man United:

Chris Smalling, who had replaced Ferdinand, was incredibly fortunate to escape with only a yellow card for hauling down Kone who was through on goal with eight minutes remaining. Wigan frustration deepened when Jordi Gomez’s free-kick curled just wide.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...letic-0-Manchester-United-4-match-report.html

The key to the analysis in this kind of situation is whether the forward would otherwise, but for the foul, be through on goal, or in the words of the Law itself:

"denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick."

Since there appears to be no disagreement that Smalling committed a foul, the only question is whether he denied Kone "an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving toward the player's [defender's] goal...".

It's undeniable that Smalling committed a foul. (No debate there.)
It's undeniable that Kone was "moving toward they player's (Smalling in this case) goal. (All you have to do is to review the video.)
It's undeniable that but for the foul that Kone would have confronted De Gea 1v1, who was about 20 yards from the play at the moment in time when Kone was, by unanimous consensus, fouled by the last defender, Smalling. (I highly recommend checking out the replay again.)

Pretty simple stuff, actually.

Marriner's decision to give Smalling only a yellow had no impact whatsoever on the final score, but it has to be acknowledged that we got a break from the referee on that occasion. That's okay, as we've been fukked by referee decisions for the better part of 18 months now, which I personally believe led Fergie to his outburst the other day when we fukked again on a botched interpretation of the offside rule (the Evans own goal). Whether Marriner in any way was affected by the prospect of Fergie going after him will forever remain a mystery, but it's certainly not inconceivable.

What is difficult to fathom on why Smalling deserved a yellow card. If it was just a garden variety foul, as some have alleged here, there was nothing in it to warrant a yellow card whatsoever.
 
Yet he got booked for it and you agree with it. Why?


What is difficult to fathom on why Smalling deserved a yellow card. If it was just a garden variety foul, as some have alleged here, there was nothing in it to warrant a yellow card whatsoever.


Not really. There are lots of fouls that aren't that bad in physical terms but affect play in such a way that it should be a yellow.

Hacking someone down when they're about to set off on a break/play someone in 1v1 etc all usually warrant yellows purely because its cynical and a cnut thing to do. I'd put Smalling's foul in that category. I think (as I can only assume Mariner thought) that the proximity of DDG and our other defenders meant the foul did not deny a clear goalscoring opportunity, more just ruined what could have become one.
 
Rubbish analysis, but we'll return to that when I can get off my iPad and onto a MacBook, so I can dive into this properly.


Why a yellow card? There was nothing dangerous or reckless about the foul by Smalling. As far as fouls go, it was as harmless to the opposing player as it could possibly be. Yet he got booked for it and you agree with it. Why?

It was a cynical foul, the same foul gets a yellow card if it happens 30 yards back on the half way line.
 
What is difficult to fathom on why Smalling deserved a yellow card. If it was just a garden variety foul, as some have alleged here, there was nothing in it to warrant a yellow card whatsoever.

Are you for real? :lol:

Smalling took the guy down when he was clear through on goal, albeit it about 30yards off.

The ref clearly thoght either Rafael or Evra could have caught him, but i'd have said was more 20-80 that they wouldn't have!

A yellow card was a really good outcome for us!
 
Are you for real? :lol:

Smalling took the guy down when he was clear through on goal, albeit it about 30yards off.

The ref clearly thoght either Rafael or Evra could have caught him, but i'd have said was more 20-80 that they wouldn't have!

A yellow card was a really good outcome for us!

This. Got away with one. A shame (for the neutral), because the whole refereeing team were otherwise really good all game. A few trick offside calls and they got them all bang on.

I doubt a red card at that point in the game would have made much difference anyway, to be honest.
 
Are you for real? :lol:

Smalling took the guy down when he was clear through on goal, albeit it about 30yards off.

The ref clearly thoght either Rafael or Evra could have caught him, but i'd have said was more 20-80 that they wouldn't have!

A yellow card was a really good outcome for us!

I think De Gea would easily have come out for it.

Evans or Rafael could have covered it as well.

It was a cynical foul but its a stretch to say Smalling denied him a 'clear goal scoring opportunity' so yellow card was right for me.
 
I think De Gea would easily have come out for it.

Evans or Rafael could have covered it as well.

It was a cynical foul but its a stretch to say Smalling denied him a 'clear goal scoring opportunity' so yellow card was right for me.

You can't have seen the clip, as Kone had 5 yards on both defenders, and is quicker than both, and De Gea wasn't even in the picture!
Kone hadn't overplayed the ball.

But anyway, we got away with it, so it doesn't matter
 
Are you for real? :lol:

Smalling took the guy down when he was clear through on goal, albeit it about 30yards off.

The ref clearly thoght either Rafael or Evra could have caught him, but i'd have said was more 20-80 that they wouldn't have!

A yellow card was a really good outcome for us!

That's my point, that it WAS a great outcome for us, as we were very lucky that Smallling got a yellow card and not a red card. By the letter and the spirit of he law, Smalling should have been sent off.

The outcome of the match had been long decided, so it's of no great consequence. And Smalling is not yet a regular starter, so there's no issue there either.

I'm only arguing the obvious, that Smalling deserved a straight red. Bullet dodged.