Without Mentioning Moyes... How Do We Turn This Around?

Hernandez - BFA said:
We need to sign more United-quality players. Simple as that. We're seeing how average our team actually is now, Fergie hid how mediocre we are with his quality.
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I'm not sure Steven Fletcher's up for a move to be honest.
 
Once Rooney and Van Persie are back(how long away are they as a matter of interest?), Valenia should be dropped for a run of games and have Januzaj and Welbeck/Kagawa/Nani out wide with Fletcher and Carrick in the middle. The results will start to flow then I reckon.

Look at our front 6 today, and Carrick and Januzaj apart, none of them are the type of players who can raise their game even with shit on a stick players next to them. Valencia and Welbeck will play well in a team playing well, even great in the case of Welbeck, but thats not what we needed today. Giggs is too old now unfortunately. Good for a impact sub or the odd game, but he wasnt great today. Poor aul Cleverley, he's just not good enough to raise his game. He'll always be a player that plays as good as the team around him. When we start to pick up our form, his performances will improve, I'm sure of that, but is that good enough? Probably not.

Basically, add a body or two this January, and hope Rooney and Van Persie can remain fit for a while.
 
Up to a certain point you can blame/attribute performances to a new manager (Moyes) but there comes a point when everything rests on the players. We have all known about our midfield for a while but without Rooney and RVP playing regularly we have really struggled bypassing that area. That can again be attributed to the new manager (Moyes) not correcting that need for control/intellect in possession and have someone in midfield that has presence but at least he signed a CM no matter whether we all agree that is was the right signing.

I want us to stick with Moyes, at least for this season, but he has to be able to dip into the market because it is obvious that we have lost something in our play. We are crying out for someone that wants the ball and someone who can dictate tempo, we have no-one doing that.

Injuries haven't helped either but we should have a squad that is able to cope with injuries no matter the position, something which we haven't done. Welbeck has stepped up to the plate and Jones in midfield when he was required there but it hasn't been enough. Some players really need to take a look at themselves.
 
Drop Cleverley, drop Valencia. Play a settled back four. Play Fletcher. Play people in their correct positions. Give chances to the likes of Powell, Lingaard and Zaha and tell them they've got a chance of fast tracking their Manchester United careers. Get rid of dross, start looking at bringing in quality for summer.
 
Convince/hypnotize Sir Alex to come back for the rest of the season.

Or give some of our younger players a chance who would want to make an impression regardless of the manager.
 
Stop playing Valencia, Cleverley, Giggs and Evra. Giggs and Evra are legends, but their time is over. Valencia is just an extremely average footballer, and Cleverley is nowhere near good enough to even be a squad player here.
Play a consistent XI.... back four Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Fabio. Midfield: Jones, Carrick & Rooney through the middle. Tell Rooney to drop deep. Januzaj on the right, Welbeck coming from the left (he simply has to learn to play there), RvP upfront. In short, we need our injured players back and move to 4-3-3.
 
Create an actual Plan B.

Either replace whatever the hell the team are doing now, or bloody react to events on the pitch.
 
Get better players. Januzaj is a ray of light, but we can't depend on him, and we shouldn't. He should be flourishing surrounded by great players, not saving our bacon. He should merely be the sideshow whilst our big guns tear it up. Without Rooney and RVP, we have very little.

Cleverley makes me wince. He is not good at anything. I've seen people praise him because "he got into some good positions". feck off. Is that all it takes? Does he get special dispensation because he's an academy product? He's mince. I don't care if he's a United boy. I don't care Fergie gave birth to him himself. He's awful.

Valencia used to be my favourite player. He used to be so powerful. He didn't care if a full back was there. He just charged. Human bulldozer. Now he's a deer in the headlights. Rarely has a go. Can't cross. He does nothing. Awful to see, but he's done. Yet, he's a nailed on starter.

Young, Anderson, Buttner etc... There's alot of deadwood. No real inspirational figures who can provide cutting edge.

Still, if we buy better players, we also need better approaches to games than just "get it out wide". Our football has been like watching sunday league stuff. How many goals have we even scored from open-play crosses this season? I can't remember many, but we still keep going back to it.
 
These players need to believe again. They're not shit, despite the claims that they are. They need lifting. We don't need a new squad.. We just need to get these current players playing to their full potential because right now they aren't. Add one or two quality additions and we will be good.
 
Have to get 2 strikers to replace Hernandez and Welbeck. Someone who can cross a ball as well. Possession wise we are doing ok but everything break down around the box- why is that? is it the strikers or the crossers? or both?
 
Get the confidence back, actually be able to field our first choice X1 fully fit, and I think those two things will make things a lot better immediately.
 
Bring in a new person into the coaching team - someone foreign obviously because they have :drool: names - with fresh ideas of how the team can try to play.

Someone to contribute a Queiroz/Meulensteen voice to the current set-up.
 
Let the players go on a team building weekend.

First they get dropped at the bottom of a hill/mountain. They then have to hike up to a per-determined campsite. The boys will have loads of fun and create some great memories trying to put up tents and start a fire. After they've done that they can do the first day's activity, paintballing in the forest. It'll give them a sense of unity, and hopefully make them realise that the flanks aren't the only option of attack. At the end of the day they can sit around the fire and listen to Giggs tell tales of the glory days, whilst they all eat roast marshmallows. On the second day they can do one of those high rope/leap of faith things, except instead of jumping off a pole and trying to touch a flag or something, they have to try and high-five David Moyes. The warm feeling from successfully completing a high-five, coupled with the adrenaline rush from jumping off something high will help the players build a relationship with the new manager. Once they've done that they all have to stand in a line, then one by one, Moyes will go behind them and they have to fall backwards into his arms. This will help them build a sense of trust with David, and they'll realise that he is always there for them. After all of this fun, they'll get to create even more fun memories as they try and take down the tents, remembering to clear up any litter they may have lying around, and hike back down to the coach to go home. All in all it'll be good fun and they'll all get along better as a result.
 
Anybody who thinks that buying players now will sort us out for this season is being very optimistic. We've not really been in this sort of situation for decades, but if you look at other teams who buy a few good players to try and stop being shit, it generally takes a year or so for them to gel. We could easily fall into the trap of buying players then writing them off after half a season if they don't perform miracles.
 
I really can't see moyes turning this around. He looks so lost and overwhelmed by it all. What we obviously needed was a change of style when he came in because nobody can continue doing what sir Alex did and keep winning. Moyes is just showing now that he doesn't have the tactical nous to get us playing good football so that we actually look exciting now and then. I mean unless moyes managed to sign schweinsteiger, Vidal and Ronaldo, which won't happen, then there's not going to be some huge amazing revival from him that sees us becomea. Top team under him.
 
We're a very average squad now that Ferguson's magic isn't hiding the cracks.
Last year we were a broken vase held together by superglue(Ferguson), when the glue lost strength, more was added(Moyes). It wasn't as good. The vase needs to be remoulded and made from scratch.
 
The players are cowards IMO. Either that, or they're clearly not United level...the same players who strolled the league last year.

There are so many to mention.

Cleverley, Evra, Valencia, Rio, Anderson, Buttner.

In fact, only Rafael, Rooney, RvP, Januzaj, DDG & Jones can really hold their heads up high.

It's ok to lose, but not like fecking cowards. There's absolutely no desire, tempo, hunger, passion & fight in this team. Half of them out there are acting a disgrace to the jersey. It's fine saying the manager needs to motivate them etc....but there's no excuse for drifting through games as passengers & not even trying.

I'd rather lose with kids, trying their arses off then half of this lot ATM.
 
Obviously it will turn around somewhat when Rooney and RVP come back. (won't it?)

Like others have said if we can't get players in I'd be tempted to throw in Lingard, Zaha, Powell. Anything to freshen it up. Our play is stagnant and our morale is shot to pieces.

I'm getting abuse at work from Spurs fans ffs.
 
Our bad form has removed 200million from our valuation right? I think the club needs to realise they are going to have to invest to turn this around.

So if we buy Everton FC and merge the two clubs, we'll take their place in the league right? That puts us into 5th, 7 points behind the leaders. And I assume we merge the squads too, none of the former Everton players should be cup tied for Europe for playing for "two" clubs.

Ross Barkley will be very useful in the middle of the park and possibly Barry and McCarthy for that matter. We'll finally be able to play Baines at left back, and Lukuaku is the perfect counterweight to Rooney and RVP in my opinion. Deulofeu and Januzaj in the same team too :drool:

We will also be weakening Liverpool in my opinion, by ending all possibility of a ground shared super-stadium. Although I'm not sure how many former-United players will survive when we have to whittle the two squads down to 25 again. Martinez could come in useful too.
 
Alex99 said:
Let the players go on a team building weekend.

First they get dropped at the bottom of a hill/mountain. They then have to hike up to a per-determined campsite. The boys will have loads of fun and create some great memories trying to put up tents and start a fire. After they've done that they can do the first day's activity, paintballing in the forest. It'll give them a sense of unity, and hopefully make them realise that the flanks aren't the only option of attack. At the end of the day they can sit around the fire and listen to Giggs tell tales of the glory days, whilst they all eat roast marshmallows. On the second day they can do one of those high rope/leap of faith things, except instead of jumping off a pole and trying to touch a flag or something, they have to try and high-five David Moyes. The warm feeling from successfully completing a high-five, coupled with the adrenaline rush from jumping off something high will help the players build a relationship with the new manager. Once they've done that they all have to stand in a line, then one by one, Moyes will go behind them and they have to fall backwards into his arms. This will help them build a sense of trust with David, and they'll realise that he is always there for them. After all of this fun, they'll get to create even more fun memories as they try and take down the tents, remembering to clear up any litter they may have lying around, and hike back down to the coach to go home. All in all it'll be good fun and they'll all get along better as a result.
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We need to inject some fluidity.

Remember the days of Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez interchanging all over the place? We need some of that back. We lost a lot of that when we brought in Berba, and more again when we replaced Ronaldo with Valencia.

Take tonight as an example. Valencia playing on the right meant that nobody else could move out that side or else we'd be overloaded there (or lacking cover elsewhere) which made Giggs and Adnan more predictable, though they did swap positions relatively regularly. It just made everything so static.

With Rooney's seeming insistence on playing centrally and/or being the main man, he is constantly coming short to receive these days rather than looking for space out wide or moving the opposition defence all over the place by leaving space for wingers to make runs inside. It all contributes to a static, predictable forward line.

What I would do is play a line of 3 behind a single striker, but pick that line in a way that encourages movement and swapping of positions. Go with Kagawa on the left so he can go where he wants from there, Januzaj in the centre so he can move left or right or wherever, like tonight, and then a fluid attacker on the right - at the moment this would be either Young or Nani, but open to several. Play Rooney or RVP up top, maybe Rooney wide right at times too with freedom to move.

Movement needs to be encouraged, it's all so static. Having a fluid line of 3 behind the striker allows us to play a static fulcrum in centre midfield, Carrick and (dare I say it) Fellaini would be fine. Switch Fellaini for Jones against better teams for defensive stability.

All of that, plus a stable back 4. We need consistency at the back.
 
Buy players who have the necessary football ability to play for Manchester United is where I'd start and get rid of those in the side who should be plying their trade at Stoke City.
 
Stop being so tight with money and buy someone.
Give Januzaj a free role
Get the confidence back in the players
Play Fletcher ahead of Cleverley,
And stop relying on Valencia every week
 
Also, I'm beginning to think Young needs a starting role...


*cries*
 
We need more fluidity behind the striker, our football is so stagnant at times. When Rooney and van Persie come back our attack should obviously be a lot better than at the moment, but we could still try some different stuff with the limited amount of players we have. For all the stick Young gets, at least he and Nani can play across the three behind the striker. Valencia occupying the right wing does our play no favour, as much as I want him to be as good as he was 18 months ago. Hernandez' overall game has improved in the last year or so, get him drawing out the centre backs and freeing up space for other players. How he's expected to make a difference when he's given 5 minutes like today I'll never know. Fletcher has outshone Cleverley since coming back from his illness.

I'd go with this when possible:

----------Carrick---Fletcher----------

--Januzaj-----Kagawa-----Welbeck--

--------------Hernandez---------------
 
Biggest things we could do for me would be;

Get two midfielders actually sitting in the middle. We don't have the players who will create there but we don't need them to be so open. I don't want to see Clev out wide when he's meant to be playing in a two man midfield. Just keep them there, they can give cover and then we can let the wide players attack more and give the full backs better cover when they push on. Even if we signed a new player if one player keeps getting left stranded then it won't make much difference. Carrick and Fletcher can both give the base to start attacks.

Get the wide players to come inside and link up or namely drop Valencia. He's just offering so little there. When we've got someone like Januzaj who has got the technique and the vision we need to get players around him, and he's the sort of player that could get the best out of the likes of Kagawa.

Stop responding to the need to get a goal by going for Hernandez when we can't even create a chance. Change the way we're playing and bring in players who could get us a grip on the game and start making chances.

Get the defenders to push up. We usually have one deep midifelder and with that there's no reason for the centre backs to play so deep/slow when they're on the ball. Get them carrying it better and forcing the opposition midifeld to come to us and break position. Half the time the other teams strikers can close down the defenders and the midfield as we move it so slow.

Then without mentioning the main man we need to get the players playing with more urgency and more fight.
 
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