He was hell for leather for it at the start of the year but Bin Hammam has cooled his jets recently claiming he won't run and will back Blatter. It's looking more than likely that Blatter will keep a stranglehold on power for another four years.
World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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Could well have been part of an agreement to get the WC to Qatar
The panorama sting was another example of the short-sighted nature of our British press. They gave no consideration to how it might affect our bid and chose to air it at such a time when public interest was high. Of course the timing of it was apalling and I have no doubt that this killed our chances. This is not to say we would have, or indeed should have, won the rights to host the World Cup as Russia presented a strong bid. However a solitary vote outside of our own despite earning the strongest technical appraisal and making a convincing presentation shows that our bid was not judged objectively, and this is a result of our press.
The most disappointing, yet unsurprising, thing is that FIFA were unable to show any integrity throughout the process. Eliminating us because of an attack on FIFA by the press did not punish the media as much as it did our bidding team and, more importantly, the people of England who did no wrong and continue to feed their money and interest into the sport. If the individuals who FIFA entrust with this power can not come to a decision based on the merits of the bid then they should be replaced. It smacks of egotism when factors such as stadia, transport and public backing are all secondary in this process to a country's ability to rub FIFA delegates up the right way. How dare we have the temerity to question them?
So yes the press deserve criticism, but for me, they should not shoulder the blame.
FIFA lacks integrity and gives no concern to the wishes of the fans who line their pockets.
The most disappointing, yet unsurprising, thing is that FIFA were unable to show any integrity throughout the process. Eliminating us because of an attack on FIFA by the press did not punish the media as much as it did our bidding team and, more importantly, the people of England who did no wrong and continue to feed their money and interest into the sport. If the individuals who FIFA entrust with this power can not come to a decision based on the merits of the bid then they should be replaced. It smacks of egotism when factors such as stadia, transport and public backing are all secondary in this process to a country's ability to rub FIFA delegates up the right way. How dare we have the temerity to question them?
So yes the press deserve criticism, but for me, they should not shoulder the blame.
FIFA lacks integrity and gives no concern to the wishes of the fans who line their pockets.
Most definitely and the fact that Blatter's presence got him re-elected as the head of the AFC, in his own words.........
"If I had not been present in Kuala Lumpur he would not have been elected. It was the last minute presence of the FIFA President at his side in Kuala Lumpur on 8 May last year, my presence got him elected."- Herr Sepp.
That was in 2009, he then claimed he would challenge Blatter which I think shocked a lot of people because they were extremely close, then of course Qatar get the world cup......
It has to be said though, we're really poor losers.
And, even more importantly, punished the footballers and the supporters. I'm pretty sure they would prefer to go to England rather than Russia. But who cares about them.
I think people are more upset about the reason why we lost, tbh.
it looks like the Exco members were taking the piss out of us the whole way.
Plus the UEFA president, Platini, actually voted in a way which was very anti-england by voting for Holland in the first round to try and make sure that England didnt make it through.
That should be just as concerning as the corrupt bastards that threw a hissy fit at people trying to make them accountable for their actions.
Gosh you are truly thick. They press benefited nothing. Really?
Christ...
The ''rule of thumb'' is you are clearly a natural born idiot. I regret why I even bothered to read your reply let alone reply to it.
It has to be said though, the press were right all along.
We never stood a chance, backhanders win you the rights not a god bid. Can't believe anyone is blaming the press for giving the World a heads up on what was about to happen.
UEFA should break free, give us a WC with more deserving teams in the thing, more European teams, and HARDER qualification for the America's, it pretty darn impossible for the US, Brazil and Argentina NOT to qualify from their groups. At the same time we have teams like Ireland coming second to 4 times WC winners Italy only to be handed an easy play-off against France
The whole system is a joke.
And don't get me started on goal-line technology.
They obviously did both. But many on hear don't want to accept it. They'd rather cling to the false idea that the press were being noble and just doing their job. When nothing those cretins did was in the public interest of any public in existence.
All the presses fault then Chief? Not at all the fault of the FIFA members?
They proved corruption and wanted to prove that backhanders win you a WC, I'd say they were proved dead right!
But I wouldn't say they were acting noble like.
That is because you've wholeheartedly bought into the illusion that your press did a noble thing. Which is your fault entirely.
Maybe p_ps_sock's last post will get you understand even a bit of why I'm so pissed off with your media.
What's there to wait for? England didn't get the world cup. The press got their headlines in before that to their benefit and are now reaping even more from fueling the bitterness the English public feels towards FIFA for the failure of the bid. It happening right before your eyes but your aren't not recognizing it at all!
1000%All the presses fault then Chief?.
Not at all the fault of the FIFA members?
Because of those self centered arseholes folks like me set to go to Russia to be racially abused just to watch a world cup live.
They didn't prove squat! Neither were they proven right in any shape or form. All they did was sting 2 fellows who were set to vote for England and make a lot of unproven (and most probably even false) allegations against a host of others. One guy the made unproven allegations against dint' take it personally. The rest were clearly not as forgiving.
Good press or bad press chief, that World Cup was always going to Russia.
Why should you be pissed off with our media. Surely it's us that suffers not you.
EDIT: Just read your previous post.
Truthfully, you've just got to be one huge wum here.
Look at the bigger picture Chief. Then you will see. Stop moaning about the press....the point they were making that you are not seeing was that we had already lost the bid because the host country is not decided on merit. FIFA has other criteria for deciding the WC hosts, criteria that are not acceptable to us and so many other countries. The press were showing the world before the vote so that the world knew.
The bit in bold is proof of corruption.
So do you believe that the WC goes to the most worthy hosts with the best bid? Surely you aint THAT naive Chief...
Indeed. As I mentioned earlier, the press just gave us a heads up on that.
Firstly, I'm not looking forward to be racially abused in Russia. & it's thank to them that I'll probably have to endure that to catch the world cup live.
Secondly, the mere fact people want me to believe what they did was for my interests as a fan, the betterment of the sport that I love dearly, and for noble reasons. When what they did was totally the opposite of that.
They've done no such thing. They instead went out of their way to make it next to impossible for England to win the bid. Then kept claiming England were clear favorites at the same time. Now the same lot are championing the '''Get us out of FIFA'' brigade.
They didn't care about the England bid one bit. All they've cared about from the start is their headlines. Not the world game, the world's football fans nor the British public at large. Right now they've got what they wnted all along.
Nothing they did when they opened their traps and now is going to help the global game in any shape or form.
Ooooh Wow, you actually ARE THAT naive.
Rather I believe it goes to those who have stuck to the rules of politics. Not those who think they can break them and still succeed just because they have merit on their side.
So what did the Aussies do wrong and Qqqqq... atar do right?
Now remember when answering that Qatar's technical report was by far the worst of the bunch.
Did FIFA care about the fans when selecting Qatar? My fecking arse they did.
The truth is FIFA give even less of a feck about you the fan than the press..
Me naive? What! Am I the one claiming the British press 'stood up to the corrupt', has done ''their bit'' for the 'good of the game'' and ''public interest''?And that they are not so obviously benfitting right now from headlines from the outcome of their actions?
What. The football fans in the middle East don't count as fans? Is that it?
If you get racially abused in Russia it'll be the fault of whoever is abusing you. No-one else. Can't believe though that anyone could make a comment like that and really expect it to be taken seriously.
Not as in the "football world" no, they are a teeny tiny minority. Check out the article above.
Don't remember saying that
nor that
This is a mystery to me...
Words in mouth and all that
They are benefitting of course, it's great GREAT journalism, no very nice but most journalism these days isn't.
You are still being naive though, FIFA don't give a feck about you "the fan".
....and you don't see anything fundementally wrong with what you have written above?
Fair enough, we believe a venue for the WC should be chosen on merit, for the benefit of football and it's fans. You obviously don't agree.
While people stick to using politics, or corruption, as the basis for their selection then you and others like you, will have to endure racist or unbearably hot venues and happily accept the consequences. After all it's your choice of selection criteria isn't it so best grit your teeth and stop moaning.
It has to be said though, the press were right all along.
We never stood a chance, backhanders win you the rights not a god bid. Can't believe anyone is blaming the press for giving the World a heads up on what was about to happen.
UEFA should break free, give us a WC with more deserving teams in the thing, more European teams, and HARDER qualification for the America's, it pretty darn impossible for the US, Brazil and Argentina NOT to qualify from their groups. At the same time we have teams like Ireland coming second to 4 times WC winners Italy only to be handed an easy play-off against France
The whole system is a joke.
And don't get me started on goal-line technology.
The press haven't stumbled upon something new though. Fifa's corruption has been rife and well known and reported since Havelanges Coca Cola backed brown envelope election in the 70's. I just wish the press reported it constantly. If anyone had done te things Blatter and Warner have done they would be facing long sentences for embezzlement and misdirection of funds. As they are based in Switzerland they can happily ignore the normal laws and carry on having famous and powerful people come to them begging whilst lining their own pockets with money that ultimately comes from the common fan. Fifa have just made themselves more internal and don't give a shit as they have the worlds favourite game by the balls.
Also people forget that Fifa have hated the English FA since they (Fifa) started up as the FA originally refused to see their authority in the game. William and Cameron saying 'your game' to them was a major personal victory for Fifa, the oily corrupt cnuts were smiling to themselves over that.
UEFA won't break free, they are Fifa's not some conglomorate that is unnatached. There's more chance of getting the the individual leagues on a club level to break free as they detest Fifa as well.
Is Rubbery still persisting with his buffoonery?
I just love the fact he's so passionate about his beliefs, even though without fail on football matters, they're absolutely garbage. Even when his argument is by ripped to pieces page after page, it only hardens his resolution that he was right all along
The Rubberman is a precious gift to this forum, and we should never forget that
The Rubberman is a precious gift to this forum, and we should never forget that
I don't think that even addresses how insanely expensive both Russia and Qatar are without there being a World Cup going on. Just imagine the prices...
Chief
Yes. Because there is no political process on earth in which merit alone wins. As long as voting is involved politics is involved.
I don't have to happily accept the consequences that have been precipitated by your egotistic and selfish press.
So all the resident idiots have started lining up to start taking pot shots!Y'all are truly as thick as your press. You deserve each other. In fact I'm beginning to enjoy the fact that you lot will not witness a world cup on home soil.
I never said you did. However almost all of those supporting your position in this thread have said all those things I've listed. They also believe them 100% too.
FIFA care about me far more than your fecking press. People who don't even give a fig about you yet you are so willing to defend them for helping to screw you over. Bravo.
It would be hilarious if Japan somehow got the rights for holographic live games and attracted more people to Japan for the WC than Qatar.
My Take on FA/FIFA
OK, I know a lot of posts have been made on the recent FIFA decision not to give the WC to England. I also know that a lot of criticism has been levelled at FIFA, I do however think there is more to this than FIFA being corrupt and the FA clueless.
For a start, I think that the arrogance of the FA and the belief that we are the be all and end all of International football had a lot to do with the negative re-action of FIFA and it’s members. Now, that is not to say that I think that the members of FIFA are squeaky clean, far from it. Warner has been involved with controversy for as long as I can remember. I also knew weeks ago that the tournament would go to Russia, I also know that it was a well known fact in the FA circles that this was the case and yet we still persisted in sending messers Cameron, Princey boy and Beckham etc. on an expensive worthless mission in the arrogant belief that their presence would change minds.
We have to start looking in at ourselves and see what it really is that we do for football. We have a third rate national team run by a coach/manager who is way past his sell by date. All the gung ho we had before going to South Africa was completely wiped away at a stroke, we were totally inept of ideas and skills and yet we still proclaim to be one of the leaders. Despite the total embarrassment of pretending to know what we were doing we still employ the highest paid coach in the world to achieve feck all. Yes, he told us this was all going to change and what happens? We get totally humiliated by one of the worst teams from the WC, France, who have gone away and completely re-invented themselves in only a few months and yet we still persist in keeping Capello employed. Prior to that we had yet another clueless pratt in Erikson. Does that not tell you that our FA are completely out of touch with the game?
Let’s now look at the development of young players for the future, well I would if there was something to look foreword to. We are bereft of technical ability, our national side still pump the ball forward or sideways to a centre forward who the opposition can so easily take out of the game. We were supposed to have a football excellence centre in Burton, what has happened to that? We generate and make so much money out of football and yet we have no idea how to invest in technical excellence and facilities. In France they have twelve elite academies, we have? NONE! Most youth coaches are coaching how they used to be coached , shouting and screaming from the sidelines and must win at all cost. Most coaches take an FA level one course and then think they are it. Trouble there is that all they are taught is the welfare and PC of coaching young lads. Proper technical coaching has to start at a very early age, end of.
Pitches and training facilities are a disgrace, especially when football is supposed to be our national game. You would think that with all the money made from football we would have the best facilities in the world and kids would not have to train in the winter at the local schools gym hall.
We then have the arrogant, clueless FA going to a WC presentation expecting FIFA to bow down to our “slick” presentation and then totally blaming the corrupt FIFA when we didn’t win. Just imagine what £15m pounds could have brought in the way of facilities and improvements etc. in our own country instead of chasing a worthless dream that complete arrogance thought otherwise.
Yes, there has to be changes in the FIFA methods and more transparencies in dealings, we on the other hand have to show the world that we are capable of producing top rate players coming from state of the art facilities and methods. Perhaps when we get our own house in order we will be then in a better position to expect more from others.
This is just a short brief on the situation. Anyone who has coached football will know the frustrations of trying to teach kids the right way and then still have to deal with “winning”. I have given presentations of the way we should be coaching kids to several coaches and well known players. Several nodding of heads of approval but thats it. I was also contacted a short time ago from a French contact asking if I knew any coaches who would like to give advise and presentations overseas. I told him his best bet would be to find a coach from France.
OK, I know a lot of posts have been made on the recent FIFA decision not to give the WC to England. I also know that a lot of criticism has been levelled at FIFA, I do however think there is more to this than FIFA being corrupt and the FA clueless.
For a start, I think that the arrogance of the FA and the belief that we are the be all and end all of International football had a lot to do with the negative re-action of FIFA and it’s members. Now, that is not to say that I think that the members of FIFA are squeaky clean, far from it. Warner has been involved with controversy for as long as I can remember. I also knew weeks ago that the tournament would go to Russia, I also know that it was a well known fact in the FA circles that this was the case and yet we still persisted in sending messers Cameron, Princey boy and Beckham etc. on an expensive worthless mission in the arrogant belief that their presence would change minds.
We have to start looking in at ourselves and see what it really is that we do for football. We have a third rate national team run by a coach/manager who is way past his sell by date. All the gung ho we had before going to South Africa was completely wiped away at a stroke, we were totally inept of ideas and skills and yet we still proclaim to be one of the leaders. Despite the total embarrassment of pretending to know what we were doing we still employ the highest paid coach in the world to achieve feck all. Yes, he told us this was all going to change and what happens? We get totally humiliated by one of the worst teams from the WC, France, who have gone away and completely re-invented themselves in only a few months and yet we still persist in keeping Capello employed. Prior to that we had yet another clueless pratt in Erikson. Does that not tell you that our FA are completely out of touch with the game?
Let’s now look at the development of young players for the future, well I would if there was something to look foreword to. We are bereft of technical ability, our national side still pump the ball forward or sideways to a centre forward who the opposition can so easily take out of the game. We were supposed to have a football excellence centre in Burton, what has happened to that? We generate and make so much money out of football and yet we have no idea how to invest in technical excellence and facilities. In France they have twelve elite academies, we have? NONE! Most youth coaches are coaching how they used to be coached , shouting and screaming from the sidelines and must win at all cost. Most coaches take an FA level one course and then think they are it. Trouble there is that all they are taught is the welfare and PC of coaching young lads. Proper technical coaching has to start at a very early age, end of.
Pitches and training facilities are a disgrace, especially when football is supposed to be our national game. You would think that with all the money made from football we would have the best facilities in the world and kids would not have to train in the winter at the local schools gym hall.
We then have the arrogant, clueless FA going to a WC presentation expecting FIFA to bow down to our “slick” presentation and then totally blaming the corrupt FIFA when we didn’t win. Just imagine what £15m pounds could have brought in the way of facilities and improvements etc. in our own country instead of chasing a worthless dream that complete arrogance thought otherwise.
Yes, there has to be changes in the FIFA methods and more transparencies in dealings, we on the other hand have to show the world that we are capable of producing top rate players coming from state of the art facilities and methods. Perhaps when we get our own house in order we will be then in a better position to expect more from others.
This is just a short brief on the situation. Anyone who has coached football will know the frustrations of trying to teach kids the right way and then still have to deal with “winning”. I have given presentations of the way we should be coaching kids to several coaches and well known players. Several nodding of heads of approval but thats it. I was also contacted a short time ago from a French contact asking if I knew any coaches who would like to give advise and presentations overseas. I told him his best bet would be to find a coach from France.
The FIFA technical report said that our bid was the most feasible.
That translated to 1 extra vote, excuse me if its arrogant to think that if you have the best technical bid it should translate to more votes.