It had no effect - this was sorted months ago. No one makes a call on a major bid at the last minute.
World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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Voting involves, merit, sentiment, personal pride and popularity. If you have only one of those, you wont win. I don't believe Australia or USA had popularity or sentiment on their side.
Football is not politics, it's sport. They have treated it as politics.....your assessment of how they work indicates that.On the contrary. They do their job properly. It's not their fault some folks just have no clue how politics is done.
The same reason why the elader of you on country is not just voted in office on merit.
Rather the job of FIFA is to give the world cup to the bid that wins the election for the right to host. They did just that.
If you want people's votes in an election. Don't shame them. It's that simple. For you need them way more than they need you.
FIFA is a professional body that is there to do the best for football. They should do their job in a professional way. They should choose the hosts for the WC on merit, based on the criteria they themselves have set out.
If they are selecting the hosts on anything other than those criteria then they are being unprofessional.
The press stuff started way before the last minute - Triesmann was entrapped about 6 months ago and when the fuss from that died down they turned up with The Sunday Times sting and just for good measure the Panorama bollocks 3 days before the vote.
and you are dead wrong about no one making late calls anyway because it not just about your 1st choice vote - many voters have to switch in later rounds.
Anson was on TV before talking about how Russia went on a lobbying offensive just the night before the vote and swung some people to them.
I am suprised you dont see how they clearly damaged our bid - it is completley obvious to me.
The non-English today have been grumbling that we're bad losers because of our reaction to this
I don't think I am, I'm very happy for Russia to have won it, first timers and a football nation with a real history behind it. The issue is the process, and as has been proved in the build up its corrupt, the outcome where the two worst bids according to FIFA's report actually win it show what a farce it is. It's long overdue FIFA was overhauled from the grubby little club that it is, and if this is the spark for that, great. People have complained about the BBC and Times damaging the bid, but I'm glad they came out when they did. Even if we'd won the bid we should be campaigning to sort this bollocks out. I see Putin's victory statement focused on how straight and proper the process was...
I don't think I am, I'm very happy for Russia to have won it, first timers and a football nation with a real history behind it. The issue is the process, and as has been proved in the build up its corrupt, the outcome where the two worst bids according to FIFA's report actually win it show what a farce it is. It's long overdue FIFA was overhauled from the grubby little club that it is, and if this is the spark for that, great. People have complained about the BBC and Times damaging the bid, but I'm glad they came out when they did. Even if we'd won the bid we should be campaigning to sort this bollocks out. I see Putin's victory statement focused on how straight and proper the process was...
I agree completely, the Russian bid had been listed as the favourite internationally for 2018 for well over a year.
Because in my experience big bids are not decided on issues like this. This result was stitched up long since, they always are.
Which I find very frightening, how an organisation can come out and say a free media not connected to a bid is partially responsible for us losing is completely disgraceful.
Not to mention they wanted to be totally tax exempt, they wanted a visa waiver for absolutely anyone to come to the United Kingdom, and they wanted Wimbledon to be prevented from hosting the championships whilst the world cup was being played and the England cricket team from playing any Test Matches on British Soil.
I agree with Peter; not that I have a problem with that, as long as its not based on corrupt grounds
What's the point someone voting for one bid in the first round, when they know full well when it matters they'll vote for another? You should vote for the bid you think is the one to host the World Cup, not feck about changing between. 2nd preference system
What's the point someone voting for one bid in the first round, when they know full well when it matters they'll vote for another? You should vote for the bid you think is the one to host the World Cup, not feck about changing between. 2nd preference system
I am not saying England would have definitely won without the press, but there is no way we would have come last.
There is no explanation for only getting 1 vote apart from voters shunning us due to the issues with the British media.
We would have if we didn't give them the necessary brown envelope.
Panorama was quite crude but the Sunday times exposé was excellent IMO. Relevant and fantastic investigatory journalism.
EDIT: I would also love it if we held back more hard hitting stuff, show FIFA to be the farce we all know they are.
Corruption
Blatter/Warner anti-Englishness
Corruption
Pay offs
Other people feeling other bids were better than ours
Collusion
FIFA's agenda to give it to non Football powerhouses
Complimentary meal tokens
Corruption
Roubles
Eboue
The reaction to Qatar 2022 is about to get interesting here in East Asia.
Japan & Korea are understandably upset that a sport they have dominated for decades in Asia has justed slapped them both in the face and handed the biggest showpiece to some minnow.
I don't think we heard the end of the fallout yet.
Japan & Korea are understandably upset that a sport they have dominated for decades in Asia has justed slapped them both in the face and handed the biggest showpiece to some minnow.
I don't think we heard the end of the fallout yet.
Yeah when you work on a big bid you identify all the decision makers and what their personal win is:
- some people just want to do what's best for their organisation
- some people want it for personal advancement in their organisation
- some want to be important and listened to
- some want favours - trips to a grand prix/California etc
- some want a good time wine/women and song
- some want their brother's company to get a piece of the action too
etc etc
As the Arabs say, find out what the man really wants and give it to him
I want candy
Where the Russians are involved I'd say blackmail is on the table too. They've probably got the hard evidence of FIFA's corruption.
If England only got 2 votes because of the media than what did Australia do wrong in the 2022 category to get only 1 vote? What did the USA do wrong to get only 3 votes in the first round to Qatar's 11?
Why are the Gulf nations spending so much just to market their countries? First Abu Dhabi now Qatar. I suspect they're just a tiny bit egotistical. A bit like me.
I am not saying there is no corruption involved, regardless of that the British press fecked up our bid. I am suprised that some people dont see this.
We all know you're anybody's for a bottle of scotch and a few spliffs.
And I'm surprised that you cannot draw parallels between the 2018 and 2022 bids that the three best technical and commercial bids in the first round of voting got 7 out of 44 between them when the two most objectionable bids on both grounds got 20 from 44.
Japan and Korea can feck off (that's racist), they only hosted it a week last Wednesday
Which is why people like Rood and sammsky's attempts to paint them as a plucky Billy Elliot/Oliver Twist/Foinavon amalgamation fending off the evil superpowers to win a Disney movie like triumph to improve their honest and worthy country are so laughable...It's an opulent holiday resort/Kingdom for the elite of the elite where the oil rich buy their way into global standing and prestige. They're not even the Man City of the bidding teams, they're worse.
As Cal said, Japan and Korea, despite only hosting it a week last wednesday, have genuine reason to be annoyed that all their earnest efforts to improve their standing in football through football and homegrown infrastructure has been dealt a bitch slap by greed and opulence. Bangerwrong.
I don't take soft drugs...only the hard stuff for me I'll have you know.
And they like eating one legged puppies and drinking miso soup.
Perhaps they're trying to trump Man City/Abu Dhabi.
The USA bid was dull with nothing to set it apart apart from the commercial angle - by far the worst bid in my opinion. They only got the votes they did due to being the USA
I think the Australians have ever right to ask questions but from what I understand they have very few friends within FIFA. All to do with the move to the Asian FA which aparently pissed off a few people, plus the 1 representative of that region was banned from the voting proceedings due to The Sunday Times sting so that cant have helped either.
I don't think that's the way they're thinking.
I think Japan & Korea both deserve about 10 more WCs before Qatar get to host a qualifier.
OK... we're gonna do the blackmail man on you.
What if Qatar was called Japan?
Can you blackmail a black male?...Or do any attempts collapse under the metaphysical weight of punage?
My biggest issue with Qatar is their dreadful football team and extreme heat.I don't even like Koreans (except Park), but I'd much rather they got it.
Technicals are only 1 of many factors to be taken into account - everyone around here seems to think it should be the most important thing but it clearly isnt for the FIFA voters.
I don't even like Koreans (except Park), but I'd much rather they got it.
But what about the extreme humidity in Japan?
And I've reported your racist comment.
That's right, humidity can really be compared to extreme heat.
I'm hot award anyone ever dying from it being too humid.
What racist comment?
It seems to be building up now.
Humidity is worse than heat...