I really think that Zizou will coach Juventus at some point and then the French national team. And that's about it. He's already a football legend both as a player and a coach.
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When he leaves Real Madrid I hope is to train France national team, they have a very good and young generation now so winning an Euro or WC with France as a manager would be the only way to further enlighten an already brilliant career. It would be odd to watch him manage other team outside Real Madrid but yeah maybe a job like Chelsea, PSG or a team like that would be perfect for him; a team with a great squad and brilliant players where he has to focus more on managing their egos.
He's the perfect manager for the Real Madrid circus.
Their players are so good, and so famous, that a coach like Benitez, who looks like the owner of a tapas bar and achieved nothing as a player, will never command their respect. Zidane will still be amazing on the training ground and still has a look about him, hence they play for him.
Doesn't mean Zidane would succeed elsewhere - to extend the Benitez comparison, he might struggle if he went to a Liverpool or Valencia, with lesser players. But he's ideally suited to the role he's got now.
Their players are so good, and so famous, that a coach like Benitez, who looks like the owner of a tapas bar and achieved nothing as a player, will never command their respect. Zidane will still be amazing on the training ground and still has a look about him, hence they play for him.
Doesn't mean Zidane would succeed elsewhere - to extend the Benitez comparison, he might struggle if he went to a Liverpool or Valencia, with lesser players. But he's ideally suited to the role he's got now.
You can't argue with what he's done this season but I don't think it's a true barometer of how great a manager he is or will become. It's a bit like the Liverpool dynasty back in the day when Shankley handed over to Paisley and likewise onto Fagan. The team is so well oiled that virtually any manager could take the reigns and maintain success.
We would be the sort of club that would truly test Zidane. A gigantic club to match his own status as a great player but a club that needs properly reawakening and in an era where there is real competition at home and abroad.
We would be the sort of club that would truly test Zidane. A gigantic club to match his own status as a great player but a club that needs properly reawakening and in an era where there is real competition at home and abroad.
So far so good for him. It's hard to criticize him, he's done what no one has ever done in the CL and he's won the Spanish league. Love him or hate him, those achievements are truly incredible after 1.5 years as a manager.
Me too, Zidane oozes respect and just for that element alone, I know most players would wanna play at 110% for him.
Good post.
Me too, Zidane oozes respect and just for that element alone, I know most players would wanna play at 110% for him.
Good post.
Agreed 100%.
The job he's done is incredible, truly so. Just because he had some great players, doesn't mean that it was easy or that other managers would have managed it. Like you said, he may well struggle to replicate Benitez's achievements at Liverpool or Poch's here at Spurs for example (or he may surpass them). Similarly, neither of those two would do the job he's done or be able to manage that dressing room as well as he has either.
Seems such a classy manager.
There are reasons why madrid changes manager like changing underwear and still won the cl.
There are reasons why united hires lvg and mourinho and still struggle to get back to saf level.
And it simply doesn't mean stick zidane at united and he'll win, nor that sticking for example giggs at madrid and they'll crumble.
Who hates Zidane?
Who hates Zidane?
Materazzi
Great reading the first couple of pages of posts.
"It will end in disaster",
"Downhill from here for Real Madrid"
"Not as good as Giggs"
"Getting rid of Rafa for Zidane is madness"
And he's made history, won back to back Champions League's, had unbelievable success.
All while Rafa has been managing in the Championship and Giggs has been on ITV Sport.
Who'd have thought it!
"It will end in disaster",
"Downhill from here for Real Madrid"
"Not as good as Giggs"
"Getting rid of Rafa for Zidane is madness"
And he's made history, won back to back Champions League's, had unbelievable success.
All while Rafa has been managing in the Championship and Giggs has been on ITV Sport.
Who'd have thought it!
That's not my point. Madrid chop and change at will but for the first time as far as I can remember they went for a manager that had no experience except having played for them, knew the club and managed their youth.
That's not exactly what won them titles; but it's clear to me that Zidane & Pep knew exactly the weaknesses at their respective clubs which would take at least a year to find out through different management in fresh waters. All the whilst emphasising the clubs strengths; again something they would know very well.
I'm by no means saying we should sack managers and go on a recruitment spree of ex players but I do think that should we arrive at a point of needing to try something different; player managers like butt shouldn't be looked at as being incapable.
It wasn't as simple for Zidane to arrive and coach Real Madrid as there was a whole process before he was given the opportunity to become a manager.
Once he retired from football it didn't pass long when Florentino appointed him as his advisor then he became sport advisor for the club, and he was influential in the signing of players like Raphael Varane and Isco. Then he made something like a manager course or something in France and then he was appointed as Ancelotti's assistant for the 2013/2014 season in which we also lifted the Undecima. After that he became the manager of Real Madrid Castilla (Real Madrid reserves team in the second division of Spanish football) and while he was quite average there he had accumulated some experience before becoming the full manager of Real Madrid after sacking Benitez.
So yeah, he was an already legendary player for us and he knew the club as a player but he also was involved in other areas of how the club was run, they didn't just hand him the position out of nothing just because it was him.
I believe the hard work into turning Real Madrid competitive and ruthless again was done by Mourinho and although his final season things didn't end up very well I do believe he put us on the right track. Then we had Ancelotti who has almost the opposite vibe of Mourinho and I also think that was a key factor to stabilize the club and bring some ease and comfort after being pushed to very limit by Mourinho, which was necessary but they're humans after all.
Then it became Benitez who I believe did almost everything wrong and was never totally welcomed by the fans or the players. That was just a plain bad appointment and the only 'good' thing from appointing him was sacking him, setting lower standards and replace him with Zidane. We had given that season for lost so Zidane hadn't as much pressure had he being the manager at the start of the season and it ended pretty well for us; we could have won that league as well (we ended just one point behind) and won the undecima (11th UCL).
So my point is that it's not that simple as there were a series of circumstances that played in his favor and he also worked hard for this opportunity and has made the best out of it.
Real Madrid hadn't won their league since 2012 though, they were hardly dominating when he took over. He has done a superb job.
Great post.
That's a good post! I don't know much about Madrid and it's likely shows. However I just wanted to bring up the feeling of management turning towards the inside ever so gradually in modern day football. We see pep, simeone, Zidane all do very well at some of their previous clubs in recent years.
I do remember a little about Zidane build up to management and that's what I personally find fascinating & I'd think it would be slightly foolish to not consider that type of plan if we as a club need it in the future. Though it's not exactly the same - we did seem to try it out at one point with Giggs being assistant - with it being put on the back burner due to it not being at the right time or something like that.
I've just been fascinated with Madrid & I can see finally something they can consistently build upon. I think it's because, as you said - Zidane had influenced transfers, youth team & directors and so much more whilst having a plan in place.
Hope you enjoyed your victory!
There are so many things to hate about him, you just gotta be willing to know more about him or not.Who hates Zidane?
Like you know anything about him?
Zidane has proved his credentials as a big-club manager with this CL win. If you have a squad full of stars and want to get the best out of them, he is your man. Being the legend that he is, he automatically gets respect from the big names, and he knows how to manage their egos. He will bring balance to the team, and the best out of his players. He'll have them playing as more than the sum of their parts. And he will do it in a very simple no-nonsense manner, keeping everything but the performances low-key. No philosophy concerns, no heavy metal desires, no ant-football bullshit - just optimising whatever the team is good at, and getting results. This is no fluke - this is a worthy achievement.
I think that he is the best manager in world football right now, better than Pep or Mourinho. I had high opinions of Pep but last season raised huge question marks over his ability - his pepfootball works only when he has the best squads. If Zidane continues in club football for the next decade or so, he will come close to the likes of SAF (already equalled CL wins) and Clough. I really hope that if Mou doesn't work out - we get him next.
I think that he is the best manager in world football right now, better than Pep or Mourinho. I had high opinions of Pep but last season raised huge question marks over his ability - his pepfootball works only when he has the best squads. If Zidane continues in club football for the next decade or so, he will come close to the likes of SAF (already equalled CL wins) and Clough. I really hope that if Mou doesn't work out - we get him next.
Must be Rafa benitez foundations!
Following in the footsteps of Pep. Hard to judge a manager when they have such an incredible squad.
To me he seems very much like an Ancelotti type coach. He's not obsessed with tactics like Pep and Jose are, but he is excellent at man management who gets the best out of great players.
Well as a player Zidane worked with Ancelotti at Juventus and with Vicente Del Bosque at Real Madrid. Two of the best coaches in history when it comes about managing big egos and stars. Zidane worked as an assistant manager of Ancelotti when Real won La Decima (2013-2014) as well..
Tactically i think Zidane is influenced more by Marcelo Lippi's vision of how football should be played and by his various French coaches in his career. Thats why his approach is a bit cautious (as we saw in the first half against Juve). But when its needed he can change it to very direct and attacking mode. Thats why i think he would be brilliant coach for Juventus in the future and for the French national team.
Tactically i think Zidane is influenced more by Marcelo Lippi's vision of how football should be played and by his various French coaches in his career. Thats why his approach is a bit cautious (as we saw in the first half against Juve). But when its needed he can change it to very direct and attacking mode. Thats why i think he would be brilliant coach for Juventus in the future and for the French national team.
Of course I do but not as in a stupid ITK. It's all public information, nothing special.
Zigoat
There are so many elements of management that he hasn't encountered yet. A squad like that creates a bubble.
Let's see him build a team, then build another one. At a club where he doesn't have a crazy collection of world class players with the ability to sign anybody he likes.
Can he scout, make players better, win against the odds etc etc.
Let's see him build a team, then build another one. At a club where he doesn't have a crazy collection of world class players with the ability to sign anybody he likes.
Can he scout, make players better, win against the odds etc etc.
He probably had to do some of that when he was Real's Sporting Director.
Is it really scouting when you can sign pretty much anyone you like? Identifying and signing Kroos or Bale doesn't qualify. Me and you know they're top players worth spending on.
When he actually has a budget and has to compete for players we'll see if he has an eye for talent.
He might have all these qualities but Madrid right now is a very artifical environment.
I'm really imprressed by him, he has a strong personality and managed to use it in such a way that he demands respect from the players and also the board. He can rotate key players, decide a more pragmatic approach when needed and everyone is on board.
Of course he may not have been a great manager for a worse team, but for this Madrid he has been perfect and I highly doubt any manager could have outperformed him. His real test comes soon since this team needs to integrate new younger players over the next few years.
Of course he may not have been a great manager for a worse team, but for this Madrid he has been perfect and I highly doubt any manager could have outperformed him. His real test comes soon since this team needs to integrate new younger players over the next few years.
Fantastic achievement. He clearly has the full respect of the players which at a club like Madrid is incredibly important. Could he succeed at another club though?
If he wins the World Cup for France as a manager, then he'll be exactly as Beckenbauer; absolute winner both as a player and as a coach. Just like Beckenbauer he would have license to burst out ridiculous opinions
Am I crazy for still being unsure of him as a manager?
Now don't get me wrong here, what he has achieved so far has been excellent there is no doubt. But as good as Real have been in La Liga this season, they have also had Barcelona and Atletico in a decline which has helped them. For me I don't think we will see how good he actually is until he is placed in a situation where he is tactically and resourcefully tested, which at Real isn't the case so much.
Now don't get me wrong here, what he has achieved so far has been excellent there is no doubt. But as good as Real have been in La Liga this season, they have also had Barcelona and Atletico in a decline which has helped them. For me I don't think we will see how good he actually is until he is placed in a situation where he is tactically and resourcefully tested, which at Real isn't the case so much.
Couldn't agree more. Tactically Zidane hasn't proven is he a brilliant manager like Jose or SAF yet and he might not ever. But he's man management is what makes great players play great as a team. It's no secret Madrid have under preformed for years given they have had the best XI in the world for the majority of the past 20 years.
Next Man utd manager?
He's the new Pep.
The fallacy that he is a good manager, with the players at his disposal? Lets wait and see if he can succeed somewhere where he has to rebuild and not have GOAT playing for him.
Currently one of the best in game managers around. His tactical tweaks this season have bewildered Simeone, Ancelotti, Sampaoli, Enrique and Allegri alike. Yet as a manager he is 'young and learning'. That's impressive and scary at the same time.
And to claim he can't rebuild, yet he reshaped Rafa Benitez's failed project in his own image is strange indeed.
And to claim he can't rebuild, yet he reshaped Rafa Benitez's failed project in his own image is strange indeed.
Bringing up Di Matteo? Seriously? Did he go on to win his domestic league and retain the champions league crown?
Does not
Yes, seriously, he won the CL.
Avram Grant was a few points and a John Terry slip away from a league and CL double. Enrique won the treble on his first try. Context matters.
I wouldn't be surprised if Zidane is sacked within a year or two and goes on to struggle in his next managerial jobs.
And I repeat. Did he win the league the following year and retain the champions league inspite of strengthening his team? Or didn't he finish bottom of his champions league group and sacked before January in comparison to Zizou? The comparison is laughable