I had egyptian tv on in the background this morning and I could have sworn they said that the army has allowed Mubarak to travel to Germany for medical treatment......
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which tahrir day u mean ? there are many
..sorry missed your post earlierNothing to worry about, Salafis would win around 5-10% at max . Unless the other political powers decide not to work in the streets. if they do Salafis and MB combined would get around 20% which would be very good considering that illiteracy and unawareness are everywhere and Egypt is just starting .
It was not a "beware of Islam" wumming attempt. What we've been hearing lately is that a growing number of Egyptians are getting frustrated/impatient with the apparent lack of progress in terms of political change. Is there a real worry that whta you have achieved is replacing one dictator with a bunch of others?
I think my earlier post asking you for updates dates back to a recent violent treatment of Tahrir protesters by the (new) authorities.
I think my earlier post asking you for updates dates back to a recent violent treatment of Tahrir protesters by the (new) authorities.
The only thing worrying me is that many of the political powers are not going out in the streets to the people. An IRI poll conducted on April showed that the support for MB is around 15% . Salafists are max. 5% . Problem is in the survey , people's responses implied that no one is showing up . Around 66% said we don't know whom to vote for ( other option for that question was MB) and 68% said we want to elect a "NEW" party .
Neither SCAF -Supreme Council of Armed Forces) nor the ex-regime can do anything if people are aware and parties work in the streets. This is really what we all need to do . Egypt won't go back God's willing; we won't let it happen
Back to this "Islamic" rally. Here's a good article about it Egypt rally not harbinger of Islamic state: analysts
link to the IRI poll : IRI Releases Egypt Poll | International Republican Institute (IRI)
Neither SCAF -Supreme Council of Armed Forces) nor the ex-regime can do anything if people are aware and parties work in the streets. This is really what we all need to do . Egypt won't go back God's willing; we won't let it happen
Back to this "Islamic" rally. Here's a good article about it Egypt rally not harbinger of Islamic state: analysts
link to the IRI poll : IRI Releases Egypt Poll | International Republican Institute (IRI)
The death toll has reached at least 100 in Syria today
Syria: 100 die in crackdown as Assad sends in his tanks | World news | The Guardian
Syria: 100 die in crackdown as Assad sends in his tanks | World news | The Guardian
Reports here said more than 150 as early as last night. Complete madness. Quite astonishing that this can go on relatively unnoticed.
Mubarak's trial in 5 hours God's willing
Can't believe it still .
Can't believe it still .
It's on TV
Is he actually there ? What a spectacle that must be.
This gave me a giggle:
"Lawyer requesting compensation from accused for damage to Egypt's security because "God said in the Qur'an that Egypt is a safe place"
"Lawyer requesting compensation from accused for damage to Egypt's security because "God said in the Qur'an that Egypt is a safe place"
Add 4 to that so far today.....Hama is flooded with Assad's tanks
'Four killed' in Syria clashes - Middle East, World - The Independent
'Four killed' in Syria clashes - Middle East, World - The Independent
Israelis protesting now in hundreds of thousands
I hope protesting housing policies do not result into more settlements though
I hope protesting housing policies do not result into more settlements though
At least a quarter of a million Israelis have staged marches over the rising cost of living.
The largest protest was in Tel Aviv where police said at least 200,000 people were on the streets, while another 30,000 marched in Jerusalem.
In one of biggest waves of protests in decades in Israel, demonstrators are demanding government action to reduce the cost of housing and food.
Everyone else is protesting for political freedom and the Jews up-rise over the cost of living.
The largest protest was in Tel Aviv where police said at least 200,000 people were on the streets, while another 30,000 marched in Jerusalem.
In one of biggest waves of protests in decades in Israel, demonstrators are demanding government action to reduce the cost of housing and food.
Everyone else is protesting for political freedom and the Jews up-rise over the cost of living.
At least a quarter of a million Israelis have staged marches over the rising cost of living.
The largest protest was in Tel Aviv where police said at least 200,000 people were on the streets, while another 30,000 marched in Jerusalem.
In one of biggest waves of protests in decades in Israel, demonstrators are demanding government action to reduce the cost of housing and food.
Everyone else is protesting for political freedom and the Jews up-rise over the cost of living.
Israel's Arabs join housing protest - Israel News, Ynetnews
How refreshing to be recognized as a Jewish state. We also pride ourselves with the fact that people, including minorities, don't have to protest for political freedom here.
Israelis protesting now in hundreds of thousands
I hope protesting housing policies do not result into more settlements though
In fact the settlements are blamed by many for the burden on middle-class Israleis. A bunch of settler extremists actually set up tents in Tel Aviv last week, blaming the freezing of settlements as one cause for the rise in housing prices, but they had their tents torched.
Israel's Arabs join housing protest - Israel News, Ynetnews
How refreshing to be recognized as a Jewish state. We also pride ourselves with the fact that people, including minorities, don't have to protest for political freedom here.
Wait a minute, no tanks, army units and all-black wearing specialists on motor bikes giving the protesters a hard time? I always thought that's how things are regulated in the ME..
Ask mjs. He is very knowledgeable about Jews.
He doesn't like them as a nation, but he reckons some individuals are alright.
Anonymous Just hacked the Syrian Ministry of Defence website . message displayed in the page
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Scary if they can do that
Everyone else is protesting for political freedom and the Jews up-rise over the cost of living.
London riots: all incidents mapped in London and around the UK - Telegraph
feck me. I hear those Jews are rioting all over the place. Must be political freedom they're after.
London riots: all incidents mapped in London and around the UK - Telegraph
feck me. I hear those Jews are rioting all over the place. Must be political freedom they're after.
Flat screen TV's and laptops are well expensive here and young people's basic rights to own them were ignored for too long.
Everyone else is protesting for political freedom and the Jews up-rise over the cost of living.
This is the third time you've quoted that post, with three different replies. Do you not get enough attention at home?
This is the third time you've quoted that post, with three different replies. Do you not get enough attention at home?
I believe that's none of your business, Christian.
Jews have actually had a significant supporting role in the riots. Look, here are some guys handing out leftover Sabbath bread to a bunch of mystified kids.
Challah at yo boyz!
Challah at yo boyz!
You (as in Brits not Yids) should be safe as long as the French don't go on the rampage with their bread.
Plech, can we start anti-semite rapping soon? A little racism goes a long way to help conspiracy theories.
What do you mean "start?"
Thousands of Palestinians flee Syria refugee camp as Assad forces shell Latakia - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
OK. Enough is enough. It's the Palestinians who are attacked now, which will surely revive this thread. Recent Caf history suggests that Palestinian casualties trigger a 5-page bollocking orchestrated by Bob et al. Maybe an academic boycott of Syria...? erm, that's not gonna work.
OK. Enough is enough. It's the Palestinians who are attacked now, which will surely revive this thread. Recent Caf history suggests that Palestinian casualties trigger a 5-page bollocking orchestrated by Bob et al. Maybe an academic boycott of Syria...? erm, that's not gonna work.
You're picking an argument with yourself. Assad's actions have been despicable the second he started massacring his own people, never mind the Palestinians. I don't think you'll find many who didn't find his actions deplorable before Palestinians started to be at the receiving end. And out of interest why do you take a more personal interest in Syria while remaining silent on the massacres in Bahrain and Yemen?
Not at all. I'm honestly surprised that there is no discussion of an ongoing massacre which we witness on the news on a daily basis. When I compare this with the monsterous threads discussing topics such as the flotilla or Cast Lead the differences are staggering.
To be honest, I don't have a clue what going on there at the moment. Other than Ali Abdallah Saleh promising earlier today to be back in Yemen shortly.
Is it really that surprising? You've clearly got your own agenda, which is sad imo, but people here have lost interest in the Arab revolutions. Early on, Egypt, Bahrain, Syria, Libya were top news stories every day. Now unfortunately, no-one, population or media, really seems to care all that much. Even Libya, where we're directly involved, or Syria where Assad is nonchalantly massacring his own people. More things have happened in the world, the news has become stale etc.
Of course, if we were really to go down this unsavoury route, one could enquire as to the reasons why the Palestinians were there in the first place. But if we are to revive this thread, surely it should be happiness that one of these despots has finally stepped down or some major news in these peoples' attempts to bring democracy into their countries. Not petty sniping or trying to prove your view that Israel is unfairly and disproportionately attacked in the International arena.
Of course, if we were really to go down this unsavoury route, one could enquire as to the reasons why the Palestinians were there in the first place. But if we are to revive this thread, surely it should be happiness that one of these despots has finally stepped down or some major news in these peoples' attempts to bring democracy into their countries. Not petty sniping or trying to prove your view that Israel is unfairly and disproportionately attacked in the International arena.
The world media aspect has been dealt with here, as of course the reasons/events to population shifts in the 1940's. It's the indifference of many of our political experts to an ongoing massacre that is surprising.
Personally, I'm not sure it'd would be within my country's best interests to see Assad toppled, so it's not like I'm expecting the world to wake up and go on an all-out attack on the Ba'athists. My "sad" agenda is that people who storm the CE forum occasionaly when Israel and the Arabs clash have an agenda (how sad is subject to point of view) and do not give two shits about human rights.
I have some sympathy with this view - there's an element of bad faith among a lot of people who claim to care about human rights generally but are actually single-issue activists who are only really interested in Israel-Palestine.
But I think a pretty important difference is that Syria is an autocratic regime and something of a pariah state, whereas Israel is a democracy and a recipient of billions of dollars in US aid. Many of Israel's critics therefore either a) expect more of Israel than of the likes of Syria, or b) are angered as much by the hypocrisy of the US trumpeting human rights, while bankrolling the Israelis / committing atrocities of their own, as by human rights violations per se.
But I think a pretty important difference is that Syria is an autocratic regime and something of a pariah state, whereas Israel is a democracy and a recipient of billions of dollars in US aid. Many of Israel's critics therefore either a) expect more of Israel than of the likes of Syria, or b) are angered as much by the hypocrisy of the US trumpeting human rights, while bankrolling the Israelis / committing atrocities of their own, as by human rights violations per se.
The problem with B is that while it's as good a reason as I've ever come across for an American to be obsessed with Israel, it rather ignores the camel in the room, so to speak.
Or it did, before the ouster of Mubarak ruined my incredibly shit joke. Bloody revolutionaries.
Or it did, before the ouster of Mubarak ruined my incredibly shit joke. Bloody revolutionaries.