David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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The lads 1st two competitive games for us have being at one at Wembley against our nearest & dearest rivals City that was his debut, not the easiest of a debut in fairness.

Next up was against West brom infront of a loud crowd at a pretty small & closed in ground. Again not an easy game for a lad trying to get used to his new surroundings.

Once he plays at Old Trafford infront of the home fans who will get behind him it'll do him the power of good confidence wise, something the lad needs or could do with at the moment. We could see a different & more confident De Gea after that infact i'm pretty sure we will.
 
phelans shorts said:
The command part will come when he learns English properly, as for the bulking up there's no real sign of it yet, he hasn't really been beaten in the air (and he will naturally fill out, his body shape just isn't natural ATM.) however much sky will point to those 2 times he was elbowed.



You've talked absolute bollocks for a few pages, not making one valid point. You can't rotate keepers, fact.[/QUOTE]


Here`s some more bollocks for you. 1990 FA Cup Final after a couple of howlers Fergie drops mainstay Jim Leighton for the replay to be replaced by Les Sealey (who had a blinder) It was a decision that some say saved Fergie`s career.
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Brophs said:
In reality it's just a reflection of the policy of employing partisan pundits who who very much loyal or allied to one club. Alan Smith with Arsenal.
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Smith is actually really annoying because he bends so far over backwards to emphasise his neutrality that he's more stupidly critical of Arsenal than many of the others. In general it's more to do with the instant controversial opinion pandering to the new breed of knee-jerk fans.
 
So what is your point here? We should drop De Gea now to save someones career? Tiabi went after just four games, his first one was MOTM.

This doesn't mean anything.
 
Manchester United, FA Cup Final, 1990.
 
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P.Head said:
Here`s some more bollocks for you. 1990 FA Cup Final after a couple of howlers Fergie drops mainstay Jim Leighton for the replay to be replaced by Les Sealey (who had a blinder) It was a decision that some say saved Fergie`s career.
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Not got much to do with anything.

Fergie was quite happy to sacrifice Leighton - set him adrift, trash his United career for the good of the team. Can you see him doing that for an £18m 20 year-old?
 
I've not read the whole of this thread, but I have been suggesting else where that I think Lindegaard will get a few more games than perhaps would have been expected this year, more so in league fixtures as well as the cup games he'll play. That's only because I think Fergie would want to take De Gea out of the firing line if it got to much at such a young age. However, to do so now, may damage his confidence, we know his circumstances, and whilst he's made a couple of mistakes, it hasn't cost us matches yet.

However, whilst supporting him on another forum I looked up Schmeichals and VDS first 10 competitive games for the club.

PS - 2 goals
VDS - 6 goals.

Now these two were established keepers when they arrived, both older with more experience, though Schmikes hadn't played in England similar to De Gea. If we can get to 10 games with say 5 or 6 goals conceeded I'd be happy. Perhaps call up VDS or Schmikes to come and have a chat to him over the "English" game, to help him out. We all know he's going to be in the top 5 in the world, but a little shot of confidence will do him good. I know it sounds crazy, but a scrappy 1-0 win against Spurs with him making a few saves thus helping us win the game would do him the world of good next week. It won't help us watching, but a win is a win.
 
Back pages of the Mirror this morning, he's been labelled a flop already I see. He's only 20 years old, new to this league. His first two games have been at Wembley against City, and away to West Brom in front of a noisy crowd. Sure he's made a few mistakes, but he's also made a few good saves too. We should just count ourselves lucky that his mistakes haven't cost us yet.

He has the potential to be among the top goalkeepers in the world, but my god, the lad needs time to adjust and settle down. A clean sheet in front of a welcoming OT crowd will surely do him the world of good.

The only thing is now, I don't want him to be bullied by the opposition which looks like it may happen. A few times yesterday, he was clattered into by West Brom players trying to rough him up and bully him, and I really don't like that.
 
P.Head said:
Here`s some more bollocks for you. 1990 FA Cup Final after a couple of howlers Fergie drops mainstay Jim Leighton for the replay to be replaced by Les Sealey (who had a blinder) It was a decision that some say saved Fergie`s career.
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Let's put this into context, Leighton had over the previous season or two had gone from being a very good keeper, into a blundering shadow of his former self. It all started with a goal against Southampton at Old Trafford (bloody hell what do Southampton have against our keepers at OT?), when he dropped a cross into the goal, and claimed he couldn't see the ball in the floodlights.

We have to take into account that he'd almost single handedly transformed the notion that all Scotch keepers were a joke, and that here was a keeper to match Shilton and Woods and the rest of Europe. The cup final was the straw that broke the back for Sir Alex.

De Gea is no where near that point yet, apart from Tiaibi's short career and Goram's loan spell, Fergie has been loyal to his keepers giving them chances to prove themselves. If you look at Fergie's time at United, he's only ever entrusted the goalkeepers role to a youngster once before and that was Gary Walsh, just after he arrived, and that only finished becasue of injury. De Gea will prove everyone wrong by the end of the season.
 
United spend a year assessing VDS replacement - it was input from our GK coach, Ferguson and possibly VDS himself. But the point missed is that SAF still wanted VDS to stay on for another year. To me this indicates that though we wanted De Gea possibly it was a season too early for him. However once VDS had decided he was leaving United had little option but to sign De Gea now.

SAF does take a chance with youth but I can't remember when he has blooded a young GK. SAF will stick with De Gea as long as any errors do not cost us points that's when SAF will make his decision.
 
Hopefully the OT crowd will get behind him fully. That would go a good deal in making him comfortable i think.
 
I'd rather that he makes mistakes he can learn from and improve on than make mistakes that give away penalties and earn cards.

There's nothing in this criticism. Hacks who've been sharpening their pitiful daggers all summer, that's all.
 
Cant really understand some of the criticsm that hes getting, alot of people seem to be jumping on the bandwagon, i think the majority of united fans (myself included) are willing to give him time and always expected there to be a few mistakes while he settles in, id imagine that fergie and the players would have expected it too

I got told this morning that i know feck all about football by another united fan that comes in my work, we were discussing the game and he commented on the schoolboy error made by de gea, to which i replied that it was but that i always expected a few mistakes and once he settles he'll be a top top keeper

I was then told that im easily pleased if i think hes good enough, he didnt like that i told him that maybe he had been spoiled by having six years of vds and not every keepers world class within 10 minutes of pulling on the shirt, he then angily told me that i know feck all about football and left

Theres obviously no chance of me ever being a top red :(
 
You're lucky it wasn't T2000. He would have put you in hospital.
 
20solskjaer said:
Cant really understand some of the criticsm that hes getting, alot of people seem to be jumping on the bandwagon, i think the majority of united fans (myself included) are willing to give him time and always expected there to be a few mistakes while he settles in, id imagine that fergie and the players would have expected it too

I got told this morning that i know feck all about football by another united fan that comes in my work, we were discussing the game and he commented on the schoolboy error made by de gea, to which i replied that it was but that i always expected a few mistakes and once he settles he'll be a top top keeper

I was then told that im easily pleased if i think hes good enough, he didnt like that i told him that maybe he had been spoiled by having six years of vds and not every keepers world class within 10 minutes of pulling on the shirt, he then angily told me that i know feck all about football and left

Theres obviously no chance of me ever being a top red :(
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Generally speaking, football fans are spastics.
 
Those that are consigning De Gea to the waste bin are as premature in their analysis as those saying he will come good - no one really knows how De Gea will react and how his career will develop.

Is VDS around? A few words with an experienced GK like VDS would do wonders - problem is United other GK are not veterans so advice from VDS would be helpful.
 
He is just 20 tbh.Thats like being 16-17 for an outfield player.

He can be a flop this season but that doesn't rule him out to be a world class player in future and for United

His distribution is amazing but what he lacks is that presence.Its probably nerves and I blame Vidic and Rio for not really talking to him whenever possible just to give him confidence.
 
I honestly don't think we've anything to worry about with de Gea, he'll become the best 'keeper in the league and maybe the World over the next four to five seasons. He has much to learn, as any twenty year old does, funny how the press assaulted our midfield, Cleverley gets an England call-up and Young excites, so attention turns to the goalkeeper.
 
Just keep playing him for now, I'm sure Fergie will. I think we'll only see him left out if he's making a 'big' mistake every game when we've played about 10. Playing at Old Trafford will do him a world of good, but seeing as it's against Spurs and he won't have Ferdinand or Vidic in front of him, it could be a tough time again.
 
I'm not worried about his mistakes, he's young and unfamiliar with the surroundings. On the other hand, I'm worried about his physique and agression, he can't be afraid to get stuck in.
 
Cold_Boy said:
He is just 20 tbh.Thats like being 16-17 for an outfield player.

He can be a flop this season but that doesn't rule him out to be a world class player in future and for United

His distribution is amazing but what he lacks is that presence.Its probably nerves and I blame Vidic and Rio for not really talking to him whenever possible just to give him confidence.
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Centre half cannot afford to spend half the game looking over their shoulder. Yes its important for him to communicate with his defenders but they can't be doing this constantly. Ultimately its up to him to sharpen up. If Keano was still captain he'd have been ripped to shreds just like when the class of '92 were when they got shredded 5-0 by Newcastle and he'd have had to deal with it as they did.

For what its worth I think he's extremeley talented and I think the mistakes he's making are solely down to nerves but its upto him, nobody else, to deal with those nerves. He's gotta go away collect his thoughts and come back clear minded and ready. At United nobody can be a passenger.
 
The potential this lad has far exceeds most of the 'keepers out there, can't think of many under twenty-one goalkeeper's playing as first choice at the level he is. Also with two years experience.
 
Our next 5 fixtures

H Tottenham
H Arsenal
A Bolton
H Chelsea
A Stoke

That is a trial by fire.
 
Ugh, he will have a tough time away to Stoke with all those bloody long throws.
 
fecking hell...didn't realise our fixture list was that bad.



Jacob said:
Ugh, he will have a tough time away to Stoke with all those bloody long throws.
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Word. And we'll likely be missing Vida and Rio.
 
Jacob said:
Ugh, he will have a tough time away to Stoke with all those bloody long throws.
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Not if the ref's paying attention.

Everybody's impression of his physical "problems" has been massively distorted by a couple of occasions on which the West Brom players blatantly fouled him.

Doesn't help when TV pundits are coming out with crap like "David James would have taken that" on the first (incredibly missed) one. No keeper would have caught it, he was being physically carried off the pitch on a West Brom player's back at the time.
 
Seems like all our tough away games are in the second half of the season. Fixture computer is not biased - haha.
 
Commadus said:
Our next 5 fixtures

H Tottenham
H Arsenal
A Bolton
H Chelsea
A Stoke

That is a trial by fire.
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Bolton, Chelsea and Stoke are going to target him constantly. At corners I can imagine the likes of Kevin Davies, John Terry, Robert Huth etc. going in hard.
 
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