Aboslutely spot on.
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Aboslutely spot on.
The team as a whole played very well tonight. Wellbeck in the first half did alot of running and on a few occassions made the wrong turn and lost the ball. However to be fair he stuck to his task and rose well to give us the lead.
Its going to be difficult to keep all the players fresh and energised but on last nights performance, he will be very good for United.
Its going to be difficult to keep all the players fresh and energised but on last nights performance, he will be very good for United.
you are just biased
i think Welbeck contributes a lot more than Hernandez to the overall play, he is more likely to create something, however if there is a chance on goal, Hernandez would be a better bet. I think Welbeck will soon be first choice along with Rooney, with Hernandez coming on when things are not happening for us.
you are just biased
i think Welbeck contributes a lot more than Hernandez to the overall play, he is more likely to create something, however if there is a chance on goal, Hernandez would be a better bet. I think Welbeck will soon be first choice along with Rooney, with Hernandez coming on when things are not happening for us.
No
why? am i wrong in saying that Welbeck contributes more to the play than Hernandez?
Whilst I don't think his performance warrants him getting MOtM the fact he scored our first and assisted the second earns him MOtM IMO. I suppose it depends what you're looking for when dishing out MOtM. You could argue no-one effected the game as much as him, even though the likes of Rooney, Young and Smalling were fantastic.
you are just biased
i think Welbeck contributes a lot more than Hernandez to the overall play, he is more likely to create something, however if there is a chance on goal, Hernandez would be a better bet. I think Welbeck will soon be first choice along with Rooney, with Hernandez coming on when things are not happening for us.
No chance. Not unless Hernandez suffers a serious case of second season syndrome.
Welbeck has a long way to go to force his way in ahead of him. We shouldn't forget Welbeck had been pretty poor for the first hour as well as his average showing against WBA too.
He was poor in the first half. Giving the ball away, not really making enough of a nuisance of himself and generally playing like a young lad would...it was only in the second half after he scored did be begin to look like he could play in the first team.
Personally still feel he needs another season of first team football to be ready because against a better team, away from home he'll find it difficult.
Personally still feel he needs another season of first team football to be ready because against a better team, away from home he'll find it difficult.
you are just biased
i think Welbeck contributes a lot more than Hernandez to the overall play, he is more likely to create something, however if there is a chance on goal, Hernandez would be a better bet. I think Welbeck will soon be first choice along with Rooney, with Hernandez coming on when things are not happening for us.
Because he has the ball more? If you're looking at it that way then everyone on the team contributes more than Hernandez.
Hernandez off the ball movement is better than any other attacker we have and his constant runs mean other attackers (Rooney) get far more space and time on the ball.
Welbeck is a talented young fellow, but he has had feck all of the ball too in the last 2 games apart from the 2nd half yesterday, He is most definitely not on Hernandez level, which is fine, because he's 3 years younger.
Welbeck outside the box, is more creative, it is not just a case of him having the ball more. We will see how this goes as the season proceeds, Hernandez does have movement and finishing as a plus, but the difference isn't drastic. As of now, it is just my opinion, Hernandez will always be a better finisher, but Welbeck will get in, on the basis of his contribution.
Let us see, I don't want this to be Hernandez vs Welbeck debate. I admit I am biased and really want to see Welbeck become a star, but I would be very happy if he manages to seal the third-choice (behind Rooney and Hernandez) over the course of this season and the next
That backheel was something else. He'd had a pretty quiet game and was ripe for a substitution, but its very easy to get carried away with that backheel, and it is moments like that which escalate him to that level of potential very special player.
How many strikers in the PL would have done that? Seriously.
How many strikers in the PL would have done that? Seriously.
Welbeck isn't creative. Are you basing that on the backheel? if so think back to Hernandez bullet header and little sidefoot in. it's definitely a case of him having the ball more, and ANYWAY, he's barely even had the ball in the last 2 games apart from a few nice touches in the 2nd half.
Let's not forget Welbeck has had a fair bit more PL experience than Hernandez did in his first season which is always better in terms of how a player will link up in the PL.
I also want to see him become a star, but it's not fair to compare him to Hernandez yet, who is one of the best in the world at what he does as a striker. I also do think Welbeck will seal 3rd spot though. Poor Berbs
thought Danny was excellent last night. i love the fact he's not afraid to try things and even when they dont work out (like most of the first half) he sticks at it and doesn't let it affect the rest of his game. In the second half it all came together and he won us the match. Really pleased for him
His backheel was you could see Rooney celebrating the goal even before Anderson took the shot as it just completly took spurs out of the game
hope he starts against Arse
His backheel was
you could see Rooney celebrating the goal even before Anderson took the shot as it just completly took spurs out of the gamehope he starts against Arse
It is not just this match, I have seen enough from him (his various appearances for United and almost every match he has played for Sunderland).
You might disagree right now, I can see why, we will see as we go that I am not very wrong in my opinion
Hernandez's movement is phenomenal. Welbeck is good but has a long way to go to being close to Hernandez. His build up play will have go up quite a few notches if it has to match the goal threat hernandez gives us.
What's more, rooney is at his very best dropping deep so why do we need his partner to also be a creative striker? With a team which creates so much its good to have one natural goalscorer with world class movement.
Are you sure you've seen him play? His passing, vision and appreciation of space are top notch. Macheda was the poacher at youth level, not Welbeck. If he carries on with his development, we coulx be seeing an interchanging front three a la Barca with Danny, Nani and Rooney...
What's your opinion though? From what I gather you're saying he's a better contributor and will become a better striker. You also said you're biased towards him.
As pointed out above, Hernandez suits Rooney more than Welbeck does
I'm sure I've seen as much of him as you have so don't take that route.
agreed. I thought Anderson was probably just about the best player on the pitch last night, followed by maybe one of the 3 younger defenders. Welbeck just came alive from the moment he got on the end of that header (cracking finish btw!), from then he was a completely different player.
I guess the problem is I don't rate Hernandez as highly as the rest of you seem to, (Or more probably over-rate Welbeck). But I feel in terms of the overall impact, there is not that much difference between the two
Then maybe you should wait a full season before making such assumptions about Welbeck, not 30 good minutes in 2 games.
Hernandez has proven himself a lot more at this club so far.
Welbeck is waaaaay more creative than Hernandez. Surprised that's even up for debate. And no, that's not based on just one backheel.
Doesn't say much seeing as Hernandez, for all his qualities, has no creativity in his locker.
His creativity isn't the focal point here though, it's who contributes more to the team and right now is the "better player" if you will.
but you were referencing only this match, that is the reason, i have had point out that the basis for my belief is what i have seen over a period of time.
ok, lets see over the season. either way, we will be having one heck of a strikeforce
Welbeck was out of the game until he scored that goal. But great goal and he oozed confidence thereafter. Amazing what confidence can give someone. He took the ball from his own half and nearly scored a wonder goal which would have been goal of the season.
Hopefully he gets more games and his confidence stays with him. Macheda did something similar and oozed confidence but it soon was lost. I hope Welbeck turns into a real gem, but I didn't see a diamond at Sunderland or indeed when he played a few games for United before this
Hopefully he gets more games and his confidence stays with him. Macheda did something similar and oozed confidence but it soon was lost. I hope Welbeck turns into a real gem, but I didn't see a diamond at Sunderland or indeed when he played a few games for United before this
There is a place for Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez in our team anyway. Hernandez is our baby faced assassin after all! He is the biggest impact player you could decide to bring off the bench.
Most would've done what I and I'm sure many fans urged him to do at that moment: shoot. It was a clever backheel and very good second half performance. I am pleased to see him do well.
Off topic slightly, but had Anderson not continued his run or Welbeck had mishit the backheel, anyone reckon we'd have been awarded a penalty?
Welbeck was often playing far too deep in the first half which is something Ferguson obviously put right for the second half. He is one of those players who is delveloping well, but certainly not a regular starter. He's maybe more creative than Hernandez, but he is not as lethal a goal scorer. Hernandez has a goal scoring instinct, Welbeck doesn't. Well...that's my opinion anyway...
Its a squad game so its good to have a young lad in there who can be relied upon.
Last night he was poor until he got the goal, but looked a different player afterwards with a bit of confidence. At times though he does lack a bit of close control.
Whether he develops into a good enough player to hold down a regular first team place remains to be seen but he certainly deserves his chance and its always good to see players coming through the youth ranks.
We tick over incredibly well with Welbeck on the pitch, ditto Cleverley. Despite Hernandez being the better striker it's hard to see him being first choice if we continue playing like we are.
They're clear completely different players who offer something different to the team.
Its all horses for courses, Hernandez is the typical off the shoulder forward with an eye for goal. Welbeck on the other hand likes to play a bit deeper.
Its good to have variety.
Welbeck is way more suited to this new style of play for us than any of the other strikers (bar Rooney). His hold up play is very good and improving and he's clearly capable of playing one-touch football - something that is key to playing a quick tempo and our style.
He's always had that in his game, I wouldnt exactly call it a weakness but he sometimes needs to play like a greedy bastard imo.
And Berbatov is waaaaay more creative than both put together. Still Hernandez found himself first choice in the second half of last season.
Judge 'overall impact' when he's actually made some sort of serious impact. He's been involved in a few nice moves and scored one in two games. Hernandez was one of the vital cogs that gave our title chase momentum and helped us win number 19.
impact on the attacking play of the team. not just the two games, but all the games Welbeck has played over the last 3 seasons.
And Berbatov is not waaaaay more creative than both put together or even Welbeck, we will see that as the season progresses. Berbatov is more creative though, at this point of time.
Yes he is. He's more creative than most of our midfield if he actually gets used in his favored position, which he never does anymore.
He quite obviously is. Or at least when he's playing consistently and in form.
And scoring goals is also a part of 'impact on the attacking play of the team' is it not? In that case Hernandez is much more proven at doing that at the highest level over the course of a season in some of the biggest crunch games.
All I'm saying is give it time. I would like nothing more than to have both of them fulfill their potential and be as good as they can be but people are jumping the gun a bit. He's a good option to have but needs playing time to be properly tested.
as i have been saying, it is just what i feel at this point, we will get to see it, as time progresses. I am not saying Hernandez is not better than Welbeck as a striker, I am saying that over a period of time Welbeck can upstage Hernandez due to his overall contribution. It is very debatable, and as of now, what you are saying is right. i am saying what i think will happen in the future. Whatever happens, we can all agree that we have potentially an amazing strike-force (and rest of the team too)
I've been saying for a few years now, Welbeck is a similar player to Henry and we'll see the best of him when he fully grows in to his body. This could be his season
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