Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

jojojo said:
I don't think anyone's trying to defend him - apart from Dalglish.
I was just interested in the excuse someone (he?) had come up with in the Mirror, because it sounded like an admission of guilt (and a plea for the FA to go lightly) to me.
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havnt read the mirror piece. my comment was more aimed at discussions I have had this last week. people have been saying well he's from uruguay and its different there etc.etc. I'd love to know if its acceptable on liverpools training ground for him to shout negro at his team mates when he has a bust up or when he was in holland if black players there were tolerant or accepting of his negro insults. the guy is out of order. Dalglish is too if he knows he said negro in the context of a heated exchange with a stranger and is calling for 'the accuser to be punished'.
 
Why the hell does cnut kenny get to mouth off in the media every two minutes when there have been directives from the FA to keep quiet about this matter?

Why is daglish defending a racist? Maybe he is a closet racist as well.
 
Talking Vulture said:
Why the feck have the FA told SAF to basically STFU and not say a word about this whilst that senile old cnut down the East Lancs is allowed to run his mouth every 5 fecking minutes?
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vic090482 said:
Why the hell does cnut kenny get to mouth off in the media every two minutes when there have been directives from the FA to keep quiet about this matter?

Why is daglish defending a racist? Maybe he is a closet racist as well.
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Because SAF has acquired a bit of class since he came South of the border?
 
vic090482 said:
Why the hell does cnut kenny get to mouth off in the media every two minutes when there have been directives from the FA to keep quiet about this matter?

Why is daglish defending a racist? Maybe he is a closet racist as well.
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He probably has used a lot derogatory words for the English
 
SER19 said:
maybe thats because theres nothing funny about racism you sick son of a bitch :mad:
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I happen to be from an ethnic minority myself; sanctimonious twat.Try reading the comments before posting...oh I forgot being illiterate you struggle with that concept
 
Inigo Montoya said:
I happen to be from an ethnic minority myself; sanctimonious twat.Try reading the comments before posting...oh I forgot being illiterate you struggle with that concept
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"It was meant to be tongue in cheek. Seems some people's sense of humour has deserted them in this debate "

gotcha....suckaaaa
 
marjen said:
Okay.. but say I was pissed off at another man with different skin colour than myself. Why would I call him a "coloured man", in the context of an argument between us? Why?

I don't really see the logic in that. Why drag that into the argument? Skin colour? Why at all? In what context could it be deemed NOT to be racist?

IMO Suarez defence, if he uses that cultural barrier thing, is about as good as John Terry's. I.E. non-existent.
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That pretty much sums it up. There's no reason to ever bring up the color of a man's skin unless it's a racist taunt.
 
It's an absolute disgrace that Dalglish is allowed to say what he has done. Saying anything at all isnt needed right now, let alone him saying that Evra should be punished for making the accusation.

fecking disgrace. If SAF came out with this shite after the FA informed all involved to keep quiet he would be facing a ban.
 
Kenny Dalglish has always had a dry sense of humour but the Liverpool manager was deadly serious on Friday when he described Luis Suárez as a "great ambassador" for the club.

In terms of attacking excellence, Liverpool could wish for few better role models than the Uruguay striker but there is another side to Suárez, one that serves as a magnet for controversy.

The forward's seven goals in 12 games for Dalglish's team this season have arrived against a background of assorted incidents, including an accusation of diving from Sir Alex Ferguson and, rather more seriously, racism by Manchester United's Patrice Evra. Suárez vehemently denies the latter suggestion and has been backed strongly by his manager, who last week issued a robust defence of the 24-year-old's integrity. On Friday Dalglish was simply eager to talk about the former Ajax striker's "humility".

"Luis has been fantastic and the great thing about him is that he is very unassuming as well," he said, ahead of Liverpool's trip to West Bromwich Albion, a game Suárez may have to sit out with an ankle injury. "Everybody can see what he can do on the pitch, but he has got no edge to him. He doesn't think he is better than anyone else.


"He is a great ambassador for the football club. For us, as well as his football, the other things he brings to the club are very important as well. He is just a fantastic person as well as a fantastic footballer. As I have said before, he has only been here since January and already we are running out of compliments to pay him, which I suppose is a huge compliment in itself."

Reiterating his assertion that Suárez has Liverpool's full support in rebutting the Evra accusations, Dalglish said he did not believe that English football harbours a problem with racism.

"I don't think it is prevalent in the game here, and it certainly isn't at this football club," he said. "We have got a case going on which seems to be dragging its feet. We would rather have it done and dusted, out in the open and whoever is the guilty party, whether it's the person who said it or the accuser, [should] get their due punishment. We look forward to ours coming to a conclusion. For me, I don't see racism, as far as this football club is concerned, apparent in any way, shape or form."
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That's a bit strong. Then again, I support strong, stiff penalties for women who falsely accuse men of raping them. Edit: I recognize that no one has been proven guilty in the Evra Suarez case, and penalties should not be given for daring to come out and report abuse, even if there is insufficient proof.
 
This isn't the 13th century and a trial by battle.

Not proving an offence =/= a false accusation.

If it did mean that, then OJ Simpson would be justified in suing the LAPD for defamation after they charged him with murder.
 
adexkola said:
That's a bit strong. Then again, I support strong, stiff penalties for women who falsely accuse men of raping them. Edit: I recognize that no one has been proven guilty in the Evra Suarez case, and penalties should not be given for daring to come out and report abuse, even if there is insufficient proof.
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Well if Evra was proven to be lying or came out and admitted it then he should definitely be punished.
 
Kinda hard to PROVE someone wasn't raped, though. I would think it would be IMPOSSIBLE to prove someone never said something, like say a racial slur.

Considering this is a serious issue, it's extremely pathetic Dalglish is playing politics over it. He knows that even if it isn't proved, one player is gonna get vilified. So he's doing what he can to make that Evra and not Suarez.
 
gooDevil said:
Kinda hard to PROVE someone wasn't raped, though. I would think it would be IMPOSSIBLE to prove someone never said something, like say a racial slur.

Considering this is a serious issue, it's extremely pathetic Dalglish is playing politics over it. He knows that even if it isn't proved, one player is gonna get vilified. So he's doing what he can to make that Evra and not Suarez.
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That's how I see it.
 
Dalglish is living in the eighties. How is he allowed to get away with this? How is Suarez supposed to learn basic human morals with that as a mentor?
 
Dalglish's comments are textbook things any manager would say. Infact Fergie has made a career out of defending the indefensible.
 
KD might feel that Suarez is innocent (and if this is the case, it's natural that Dalglish should defend his player). Alternatively, Dalglish may be confident that Suarez won't be charged, thus making his defence of Suarez a win-win situation...perhaps KD thinks that Suarez will remember this 'loyalty' if Barca or Real came calling.
 
Apparently City are going to bid for Suarez as a replacement for Tevez, a City-supporting mate of mine told me. Don't know if it's bullshit or not but he would certainly fit in there with the mercenaries
 
I haven't read the Sunday Times article as it's paywalled, but a poster on a Liverpool fans' forum says the journalist states Suarez has defended his use of the word Negro as it's 'not racist in Hispanic culture'.
 
SteveJ said:
I haven't read the Sunday Times article as it's paywalled, but a poster on another forum says the journalist states Suarez has defended his use of the word Negro as it's 'not racist in Hispanic culture'.
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If the F.A. accept Suarez's defence then they're a joke and may as well stop complaining when East Europeans make monkey chants after all that's not got the same impact in their culture as in ours. :rolleyes:
 
It doesn't matter anyway, you don't need to use the word nigger, it's still racial abuse. Even if we accept the word of Luis Suarez above Evra, which by the way, is something everyone has been falling over themselves to do since day one, even though it's not in Evra's interest to fabricate this, and accept that he just meant 'black', that's not acceptable either. It's just the same as what John Terry "allegedly" did to Anton Ferdinand - the word black itself isn't racist.
 
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