Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Ole's_toe_poke said:
Dalglish's comments are textbook things any manager would say. Infact Fergie has made a career out of defending the indefensible.
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Defending your own player is one thing. Calling for another team's player to be banned if he can't prove he was racially abused is quite another.

Has Fergie called for Saurez to be banned if he can't prove he didn't racially abuse Evra?
 
Because of "innocent until proven guilty", you cannot punish the accuser if the accusation isn't proven. This is because there is no proof that the accuser lied (the truth could well be lost in translation, or be somewhere in the middle, or the proof simply wasn't strong enough).

If Evra is to be banned, it should be because Evra deliberately lied and this should be proven. However, this case centres around "Suárez's alleged racial abuse", not "Evra's alleged lying".
 
Hmmmh, that might fly if he was straight off the plane from South America. How long was he at Ajax? Must have been a couple of seasons.
 
Still so many scousers claiming Evra has a history of making racist claims. That journo from the Liverpool website really succeeded in "making a point" with his shit.
 
I hope no one buys this, Calling him a negro in spanish isn't a bad thing in Uruguay.

He knows it is, also nice to see, the goal posts move...from Evra making it all up, to now, trying to justify him calling Evra 'black'.

What possible reason could he have for calling Evra by that moniker, unless he intended to use it negatively?

Oh and feck the delusional scousers, and King Fanny. I'm almost at the point, where I'm praying for Arsenal to get 4th, so Fanny and his merry man, can be stuck playing thursday night football.
 
Neutral said:
I hope no one buys this, Calling him a negro in spanish isn't a bad thing in Uruguay.

He knows it is, also nice to see, the goal posts move...from Evra making it all up, to now, trying to justify him calling Evra 'black'.

What possible reason could he have for calling Evra by that moniker, unless he intended to use it negatively?

Oh and feck the delusional scousers, and King Fanny. I'm almost at the point, where I'm praying for Arsenal to get 4th, so Fanny and his merry man, can be stuck playing thursday night football.
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Fanny? :wenger:
 
Neutral said:
I hope no one buys this, Calling him a negro in spanish isn't a bad thing in Uruguay.

He knows it is, also nice to see, the goal posts move...from Evra making it all up, to now, trying to justify him calling Evra 'black'.

What possible reason could he have for calling Evra by that moniker, unless he intended to use it negatively?

Oh and feck the delusional scousers, and King Fanny. I'm almost at the point, where I'm praying for Arsenal to get 4th, so Fanny and his merry man, can be stuck playing thursday night football.
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At what point did you want the scousers to do well anyway?
 
Sorry guys, where is the latest article which explains Suarez admitting he called Evra 'negro'?
 
Mick1991 said:
Hmmmh, that might fly if he was straight off the plane from South America. How long was he at Ajax? Must have been a couple of seasons.
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It wouldn't fly anyway - what relevance has calling someone black in conversation have, in any situation? I'm sure even if "negro" in hispanic culture isn't offending per se, it's not something you bring into everyday conversation. It would be the equivalent of saying "you darkly skinned man", and claiming that darkly skinned isn't offensive. And that wasn't an everyday conversation, it was an aggressive argument.

As I've said before, if he admits to have been using that word, then just like Terry he should be severely punished - it's absolute crap that excuse, especially taking the fact that he's lived in Holland a couple of years, and been here for almost a year.

If it was such a everyday word, why haven't Liverpool's players pointed out that he's not supposed to use it here?
 
So basically Suarez is a shitbox, but he's being held up in the same light as those killed at Hillsbourgh.....

Those scouse cnuts are fecking deluded and what makes this worse is the are being led in their delusion by dalglish. The only way I can see how you can justify this is if you are either a racist yourself or you have no morals at all.
 
So IF the story is correct and Suarez has admitted using the word 'negro' albeit not in a racist context, why the feck was Dalglish running his mouth off about Evra being banned, as you'd assume Suarez had told him the same story. It doesn't show him in a very good light that he'd be willing to try to put the blame back on Evra for what, at best, is a misunderstanding based on a usage of a word which Evra could never have known about.
 
Brophs said:
So IF the story is correct and Suarez has admitted using the word 'negro' albeit not in a racist context, why the feck was Dalglish running his mouth off about Evra being banned, as you'd assume Suarez had told him the same story. It doesn't show him in a very good light that he'd be willing to try to put the blame back on Evra for what, at best, is a misunderstanding based on a usage of a word which Evra could never have known about.
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Good point, Brophs. As you say, to give Suarez the benefit of the doubt at best, it was a cultural misunderstanding(not that I buy that).

There's protecting your players - and there's making very dangerous remarks about the alleged victims personal integrity. Idiotic stuff from Dalglish.
 
I think the character assassination on Evra is disgraceful and is highlighting serious flaws in the Kick it out campaign. It's being drowned under the Terry storm and will be forgotten, as per usual.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
So basically Suarez is a shitbox, but he's being held up in the same light as those killed at Hillsbourgh.....

Those scouse cnuts are fecking deluded and what makes this worse is the are being led in their delusion by dalglish. The only way I can see how you can justify this is if you are either a racist yourself or you have no morals at all.
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Or a scouser ?
 
Stanley Road said:
He also said "I can't even remember the last time allegations of this sort were levelled against a player.''

Peter Schmeichel - Ian Wright

Springs immidiately to mind, not that hard to remember
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Yeah, those stupid scouse b*stards and their short memories. :mad::rolleyes:
 
Im struggling to think of any scenario ever where it is acceptable to refer to a strangers skin colour during an angry confrontation that could be deemed acceptable or excusable.
 
Scousers in living in the past shocker. Stop deflecting from a serious issue.

If your player DID make a derogatory comment based on skin colour: man up, accept it, condemn it and educate people that it has no place in the modern game.

"That boy started it," defence is risible and complete juvenile bollocks.
 
Stanley Road said:
He also said "I can't even remember the last time allegations of this sort were levelled against a player.''

Peter Schmeichel - Ian Wright

Springs immidiately to mind, not that hard to remember
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Which was 15 years ago, can't blame a 70 year old man for forgetting something that happened 15 years ago particularly as the player in question Schmeichel was aquitted and later was all buddy buddy with Mr Wright.
 
Zen86 said:
I think the character assassination on Evra is disgraceful and is highlighting serious flaws in the Kick it out campaign. It's being drowned under the Terry storm and will be forgotten, as per usual.
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I noticed this. There was something about racism in football on Talkshite this evening but I don't think the Evra/Suarez incident even got a look in...
 
This situation highlights everything that is wrong with the attitude towards racism in football, and the actions of Dalglish and LFC in trying to publicly scapegoat Evra, even though Suarez has admitted it are nothing short of horrific.
 
Crustanoid said:
This situation highlights everything that is wrong with the attitude towards racism in football, and the actions of Dalglish and LFC in trying to publicly scapegoat Evra, even though Suarez has admitted it are nothing short of horrific.
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Tell that to the thousands of minions using the innocent 96 killed at hillsborough as leverage to claim justice for a player, who has admitted using a derogatory term.

They really are beyond mental.
 
So biased and full of hate for United/SAF that it's barely readable. Although I enjoyed the bit about 'Liverpool being a threat to United'; yeah, that title win back in A.D. 1990 certainly put the frighteners on us...
 
Evra had suffered a torrid match. He was constantly at the point of Liverpool’s attacks and frankly he coped poorly.
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That didn't happen

In the second half, the two players clashed near the Kop by-line. Suarez tripped Evra, who rolled around in over-exaggerated agony
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Oh the ironing

In fact Mr Ferguson ( I refuse to recognise his official title) seems to have missed Young’s dive in the very match he used as his example. See http://i53.tinypic.com/wak9so.gif
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a) very petty, especially for LFCs official opinion site
b) he kind of already did 2 paragraphs above that one when he said

the days after the Liverpool – Manchester United meeting Sir Alex Ferguson chose his words carefully, as usual, when he stated that “it’s difficult for the referee with Suarez diving all over the place”.
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The referee Peter Walton enraged the Kop, as well as Suarez as he waved away ten apparent fouls on the Uruguayan. TEN times the Kop cried foul. TEN times the referee refused. Even when Mark Tierney felled Suarez when he was through on goal, the referee decided against a red card, or even a free kick, and merely turned away.
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I think we've found out who this is guys - it's Andy@Allerton (a big fan of lists of fouls not given).

On to Stoke in the Carling Cup, which was to be a triumphant night for little Luis. Two goals, one of which will surely be in the mix for Goal of The Season, saw his team through the tie. Yet it was obvious that Ferguson’s plot was working as intended. The home supporters jeered Suarez.
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Yeah of course, he was given a fecking hero's reception last time they played there before this happened.

Christ.

The whole point of the piece from what again is their official website's opinion corner is that before SAF said Suarez was diving all over the place everybody loved Suarez and no one in the whole universe thought that he was a snide buck toothed diving shit house.

Which is just wrong obviously.
 
Brophs said:
So IF the story is correct and Suarez has admitted using the word 'negro' albeit not in a racist context, why the feck was Dalglish running his mouth off about Evra being banned, as you'd assume Suarez had told him the same story. It doesn't show him in a very good light that he'd be willing to try to put the blame back on Evra for what, at best, is a misunderstanding based on a usage of a word which Evra could never have known about.
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I know Suarez denies using the word "nigger" but has it actually been established that Suarez actually used the word "negro", or is he denying the use of either word?

Because I fail to see the justification behind the use of a word to describe Evra's skin colour at all during the course of a football match. Why would he need to refer to skin colour at all? Even if Suarez had become involved in an argument with Evra there is absolutely no need to bring up the subject of race. Does Suarez always use the word in conversation with black people? When Glen Johnson rolls up for training every morning does Suarex greet him with the words "Ola negro". I don't fecking think so. I don't know if Suarez uttered anything at all, but if he did, and even if he used the word "negro" instead of the word "nigger", then there can only be one explanation for it.
 
I'm pretty sure calling someone a 'negro' in any Spanish dialect is the equivalent of "the n word'. At least that's my recollection from that racism course I took.
 
According to a newb, Gary Gillsepie (ex-Liverpool, now works for their tv station) said

"This thing with Evra is dragging on a bit. If anyone's guilty it's Evra for over-elaborating the story and exaggerating".

feck me, there are some backward attitudes in the game.
 
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